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ya dont say.

Aristoph posted...

Wow, I didn't realize those accidental deaths I've heard on the news were all completely fictional.

poor use of words as far as useless, but yes its not just going to go on a rampage. worse case scenario you mess up and 1 person is typically dead. you mess up driving and everyone on the road could be in trouble.

hell no.

a gun is a simple thing. there are 4 rules to using it and not being stupid. a car requires knowing a 100 road rules and chances are high if you mess up a lot of people can die with or without intent. a gun doesnt work like that. its useless without intent and wont do anything if you lose control.

once you go the mental health route theres WAY too many factors at play that can potentially bar literally anyone from owning a gun not to mention appeals, court cases, lawyers and obscene amounts of money to straighten things out (the new WA gun bill pretty much sets itself up to fuck over everyone exactly like this). and whos going to pay for all this (especially the training)? what about the lower class whos less financially stable? are they just off limits from exercising their rights?

not a traditional uber long range sniper rifle, but you can put scopes on assault rifles and other sub weapons as well as suppressors.

so 63% of mass shooters are white and the white population takes up around 60% of the US. that seems pretty inline with demographics.

the game drip feeds you a LOT of equipment to the point that you can play it how ever you want. well, you still can from the get go, but theres a pretty big difference between taking a few shots with an assault rifle and then hulking around heavy body armor, armed with an m60 mowing down people while you call in your gunship to carpet enemy positions while blaring Maneater over the loud speaker.

you do eventually get weapon customization through a side quest. and yes soon you will be able to fulton everything to your hearts content.

we dont. plenty of amendments have been changed. some of them are just more important and just as viable today as they were 200 years ago so why rock the boat especially when history has shown how shitty humanity can be?

CADE FOSTER posted...

Clearly not strong enough when nutbags can get guns

so how far do you want to take it? storage laws? then whats the point of being able to use them to defend your self at home if you have to waste time to get it out? "assault weapons" bans? those are shown to be largely pointless and any lives saved are shown to be made void by other firearms taking up the slack since they are used in so few homicides anyway (they also take up 2% of total firearm deaths). limit magazines? some of the worst shootings we have were with shotguns and pistols with 10-15rnd magazines max and people just take more magazines with them (the last bad school shooting was with a shotgun and revolver and they still killed 10 people. the navy yard shooter also used a shotgun and killed 12. the virginia tech shooter used two handguns, one with 10 round magazines and killed 32. the parkland shooter also rumored to have 10rnd AR mags). mandatory training? so i guess anyone whos poorer are shit out of luck? universal background checks? largely pointless when NEARLY ALL firearm homicides are either done with stolen weapons or committed by individuals who purchased their guns a long time ago and the cosmos happened to align and they went off the deep end or the government (like always) fucked up royally and let people slip through the laws we already have in place.

mental health checks? whos to say who might qualify as a health concern? take anti depressants? well thats no good, better take the those guns. oh youre found mentally stable now? well about those guns, they seem to have been destroyed. sorry. oh youre too poor to get a lawyer? sorry again. most gun laws are actually there to fuck over the little guy (and put more control in the hands of the elites), the ones who might actually have to stay in a bad neighborhood and worry about their familys.

there is no limit to gun control. once something happens again there will always be more put on the table with no satisfaction until firearms are GONE. this is what has happened all over the world of which you are either left with a utopia like venezuela, brazil, mexico and various african nations or you are left with a nanny (or police) state that fallows and controls nearly every aspect of your life.

we already have gun control.

we have gun control.

Antifar posted...

I feel like there's gotta be appetite among gun owners for an organization that isn't led by right wing paranoiacs.

quite a few actually. pink pistols, redneck revolt (dont let the name fool you), john brown gun club, liberal gun club, blue steel democrats, african american gun association and several others off the top of my head. you also have larger organizations that dont like how the NRA does things (that might still fall under your "right wing paranoiacs") like the Gun owners of America, Second Amendment Foundation and the National Association for Gun Rights.

the NRA is the largest gun organization out there, but even their optimistic numbers still probably only account for 3-4% of gun ownership in the country.

im mixed on it. on one hand the idea of having more firearms around stressful and high strung people both teachers and kids alike doesnt sound smart. and chances are pretty high accidents will occur.

however theoretically having armed teachers might be the only way to actually stop a school shooter before they do too much damage. it might be the difference between 2 dead vs 20 if you actually had someone who could respond to the shooter literally down the hallway or even in the actual room. teachers tend to be in the line of fire just as much as the kids so id think the chances of them actually doing something would be much higher than that of a resource officer worrying about their pension.

in the end though its going to come down to the accidents vs the decrease in deaths from those bringing their own firearms to do damage. which is a hard thing to tally.

its a magical place.

$4100 after taxes usually. doin pretty good, but then i live in michigan.

id say its less of a matter of most "dont care", but rather most dont treat certain things in the same light as the other side. pretty much any republican i know for instance thinks global warming is a real thing and feels things should be done about that, but that they also arnt going to die from it tomorrow so they put their priorities in other issues.

pass. hes sounded like an idiot on everything hes trying to rally for.

gun control is a shit show in this country unless you fix the hundreds of other problems that leads people to want to pick up a gun and commit violence. theres too many guns and too many other factors. it doesnt help that most of the ideas being presented wont do anything and only further makes the other side push back harder.

now there are some things that could theoretically help, but because the left is grasping at every little thing no one wants to get on that boat and have a conversation in fear of where many democrats in charge have shown they want it to go.

realistically? assuming all guns were banned today violent GUN crime would shoot up dramatically for most likely a decade and come back to normal for maybe another decade later as most who need guns are punished and those who shouldnt have them can do what they want. statistically this is what has been shown to happen in other countries who opt for it only the US' would most likely last much longer (hence the decades) thanks to its much larger population, land mass and limited enforcement to carry out confiscations.

the big issue is that there arnt a million or two firearms out there to worry about and were no country the size of texas at most to have to keep track of. theres 400+ million guns out there. if someone wants a gun they are going to be able to get it one way or another and the amount of time it would take for them to dry up would be more bloody than what we have to deal with now. and then you have to worry about 3d printing now and as guns dry up youll see a bigger emphasis on the black market as more and more guns are brought up through south america and mexico.

and this is just in relation to GUN violence. what do you think is going to happen as more and more elements of someones defense start to go away? do you think criminals will just play nice? no, they will switch to other means. the actual death count overall probably wont even go down. youll just see less deaths caused by guns (most likely school shootings) as beatings, bludgeonings, run downs, rapes, home invasions ect. shoot up instead (this is statistically shown in other countries). the US has a serious violence problem due to a host of other issues that wont be solved with getting rid of guns and given our violence problem it would most likely be far FAR worse than any other country that tried it before. unless you actually fix those other issues youll most likely not see any improvement overall.

the US in this regard is too far gone and our bed has been made. to try and fix this specific equation will only end in more problems. and thats not including any issues youd might find in trying to do this to lawful citizens who wont stand down on it and will fight back. this entire notion that guns are a source of our violence is pure emotion and only gives those who want it a scapegoat and/or blind themselves to the cause of someone wanting to pick up a gun in the first place.

tldr: the US has too many other problems that "fixing" this one wont matter and only leaves us further open to other problems down the line.

IF that were to happen i doubt it would matter much. trump is a pretty shitty person and always has been and everyone, whether they support him or not already knows it and yet many support him regardless. most seem to care about his policies than the person himself.

6 and Rev1 are worse.

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

It's a decent post, but "to some extent" is a bit of an understatement when it comes to "it works both ways."

the far-left can be considered a smaller minority of the democratic party as a whole as well, but it tends to be on a MUCH larger scale from what iv seen and experienced compared to the real far-right with extra lambasting and censorship under the disguise of being righteous. but yes a lot of it will be hit and miss depending on where you are.

the far-right has been turned into a boogeyman in response to the far lefts rising popularity who see fit to label most who disagree with them as far-right when they really arnt. those who really would be considered far-right tend to be a very very small minority of the population who, thanks to the internet and social media have been given a bigger voice than they normally would have in the past (this goes both ways to an extent). they are far less dangerous than most seem to think who on any given day even most of those on the right would have considered a joke in the past and never given them a second thought. they might have been given a podium to babble on their shit with 50 followers in attendance and then go back down into their holes.

but now because of the SJW culture and PC bullshit you are getting more people who are pushing back at the left who are in all groups, but because they happen to all agree with this one issue they are all being lumped into the same camp.

the big REAL difference is that actual far-right policies arnt going anywhere up where as far-left ones are getting pushed hard. both types of extremes are not good for anyone in the long term regardless of their intentions and it looks like the lefts have a better chance of actually going somewhere which imo makes them more dangerous. (on a side note: i dont think aspects of the far lefts more socialistic policies are inherently bad, but they have to be done in moderation and in combination of capitalism which is something most of the far-left dont seem to grasp).

i own 3. a WW2 original that my great grandfather carried in the pacific which is currently in a safe deposit box. a colt competition stainless series 70 and a springfield range officer compact which i occasionally conceal carry. nothing quite like shooting a well precision made 1911.

they dont care. thats the whole problem. it doesnt matter to them what anything is or does. every gun is a baby killing death machine that needs to either be outlawed or heavily restricted. the only thing any education is going to do is make their bills be more specific.

the only way you are going to change anyone's mind (and this is still a serious toss up) is if they either come face to face with a gun that they can shoot and learn that they arnt going to magically go on killing sprees or they be made to feel helpless in a situation that a gun could have helped with.

what rights do you think the left are fighting for and are they "rights" or just things they think others should have?

speaking of response times. i live in an area where the average police response time is an hour. 1 fucking hour and thats the improved version over 83min several years prior. ill keep my gun, thanks.

Bishop9800 posted...

Wasn't Chicago always like this?

it was actually worse in the past.

not going to be around long if you openly shun your main profit base. sad reality of anything really.

no?

oh well, hopefully this means more support for the GOA. assuming they are in trouble.

pc gaming is about as cheap or as expensive as you want to make it. do you want to max your games at 4k? sure buy a $500 card. or if youre happy with 1080p then buy a $100 graphics card and still be able to run most stuff well. do you want to by $60 games? sure go nuts. or do you want to wait it out and get that same game for $10 on sale a few months later?

i live in michigan sooo it aint cheap.

DevsBro posted...

This, I don't get why people are confused.

because you can already make your own untraceable firearms in 38 states (and you could still make one and then goto register it with the police if you wanted in the other states which is what happens). its not illegal provided you still adhere to federal regulations (no destructive devices and no full auto). this is what makes this whole thing sketchy. trying to stop it is both a violation of second amendment rights and first amendment in what can be put on the internet.

they already are if you know where to look.

regardless this wouldnt change anything, especially in this country so yeah allow it.

what a shocker. trump and NRA gives no real fucks about the 2nd.

that said, trump gonna trump. there is no correlation between what he says and what he'll do.

mosins have also gone up in price significantly as suplus is dying up to the point that you might as well go and buy a modern gun unless you just want to collect, but even then you will be having many holding on to the good quality ones and either not selling or waiting for the market to dry up so they can sell high. theres no real point in buying a mosin any more unless you happen to get really really lucky and find one for under $200.

are you over 21? do you have any prior convictions or mental health problems that could show up on a background check? if not then just walk into a shop that sells guns, pick out a rifle and pistol, show them your ID and fill out the 4473 paperwork (which isnt difficult). they then do a background check(might take several minutes or days depending if you get held up for what ever reason) and assuming that comes back clean you walk out with 2 firearms.

as far as recommendations-
are you a real cheap ass? get a Ruger 10/22 and a Taurus G2C 9mm.
are you just a moderate cheap ass? get an AR15 (smith and wesson m&p sport II tends to be the goto) and either a Glock or M&P 9mm.
alternatively you can also look at revolvers which are incredibly simple to work. Ruger and Smith and Wessons are king, but once again if you have limited funds then you can look at taurus' (605's and m66's tend to be solid)

eitherway if you want a handgun id recommend getting out there and seeing what works for you, unlike most rifles they tend to be more personal. any gun shop will let you hold them and see how they feel, most if they have a firing range will let you shoot used versions and actually try them out.

for the most part, nothing. that should run everything. just dont expect much beyond 1080p gaming.

certain aspects of socialism can work in combination with capitalism, but once you go full social is when you get a bullet.

45/50 states already have legal open carry so i dont know why people are making a fuss over this.

a wall is desperately needed for the good of all canadian people.

around 320k for everything.