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KILBOTz posted...

DevsBro posted...

KILBOTz posted...

DevsBro posted...

What negative effect is there to doing away with cash?

its an end to financial privacy.

Meaning..?

Meaning if you are a college student and buy weed, that is recorded and will follow you forever. I imagine China's social credit system will have aspects picked up by other countries and cashless will make it easier to have a lifetime profile on your citizens.

That's an assumption that marijuana consumption will remain illegal.
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KILBOTz posted...

DevsBro posted...

What negative effect is there to doing away with cash?

its an end to financial privacy.

Do you honestly think you have any privacy at all while participating in our monetary system?
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A lot of socialists, particularly Marxist Leninists, Democratic Socialists, Anarchists, came from privileged backgrounds. This would only be a problem if you simply think socialism is wealth redistribution but that's just bourgeoisie thought.
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QwelzaarKane posted...

Have you done any missions that involve flying?

No. I'm doing zero's missions.
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I'm starting in San Fierro. How far am I into the game?
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ImmatureContent posted...

The government is supposed to enact the will of the people. In theory.

Yeah, but "people" usually meant the ruling elite depending on the country.
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I'd actually consider socialism from a point of greed than kindness. But neither of these things has to do with the mode of production itself.
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No, they have utopian views on how to solve material crises. Stuff like "green capitalism" comes to mind.
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Henry Cavil should just come on out too.
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

EvalAngell posted...

D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

Maybe they should hire entertaining wrestlers instead of failed actors like the Miz who just want a foot into movies and TV shows.

r u serious

Miz is one of the best wrestlers on the current roster fam

That says it all

Failed actor using wrestling to get roles and reality shows

It's worse than that cuz miz used hip hop to get himself over,much like Cena, and when he didn't need it anymore, he kicked it to the curb.
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It doesn't make any sense to consider the outlets in the center to be "neutral" when they're right wing.
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Say that the Socialists won during this period. How do the next decades follow? (Note: the Bolshevik Revolution and Maoist revolution happen as well).
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I don't know what "I" humans are.
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Does anyone have any good tips on baking cakes?
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Pfft...
Abraxas
Shuma Gorath
The Beyonder
The beyonders
God Doom
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No president could be called great in the way I use the word.
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Water is wet.
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iron jojo posted...

Well TC you seem to have a point you want to make so instead of asking us what it means why don't you just spit it out.

I wanted to know what folks on here thought about when they see libertarianism. Seems like the propaganda has worked wonders.
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MrMallard posted...

This is fucked up. Literally feeding on our youth.

Then again, if the pay is good, slap my arm and tie a rubber hose around it! Though I would probably want to donate blood for medical use afterwards, as penance for contributing to what is essentially capitalist pseudoscience. I'm giving some old, rich prick my blood so they get to feel a fleeting sense of youth, I should open my veins to someone who actually fucking needs it.

This consumerist society has been doing that far longer than during this time frame.
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None of these things are related to libertarianism.
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KILBOTz posted...

Laissez fair all over the place

I'm talking about libertarianism, not neofeudalist ideology.
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What does it mean to you?
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Get in line, Trump.
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The clintons rigging the Russian elections so that Yeltsin could win. That or darkwing duck
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Zero.
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No, next question.
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Working, as always.
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Happy Holidays
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Overrated if you asked me.
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No, he's not. He's a settler imperialist slaveholder going by some accounts.
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Arcvalons posted...

We're forever stuck in this tiny lonely corner of the universe.

How does that make you feel?

No, it's not. We can do it right now. It just would take a long time.
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Bad_Mojo posted...

Hexenherz posted...

Bad_Mojo posted...

So they're crying because the Country is trying to get them to become more Green?

it's fascist the state is trying to tell you how to live and what cars you can buy

Are they doing that? The description in the video just says they're mad because France put the fuel price up in hopes of people walking, getting healthy and cutting down on pollution

I guess I don't really understand since I walk everywhere as it is

It's nonsense because it's mainly the fault of corporations and they should pay for it, not the people.
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Grand Theft Auto: Hungry Shark.
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Kombucha posted...

Anti-245 posted...

andel posted...

from what i can tell this is just more yellow vest protests, not antifa

There are probably some Antifa members in there considering this is primarily a leftist protest against centrism.

Probably, not to entirely contradict my last post but I've heard most of the original Yellow Vest people have had their issues addressed when the government let go of the fuel taxes iirc. Other groups seem to have entirely co-opted the movement.

That's actually great because now they can attack other structural issues too.
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andel posted...

from what i can tell this is just more yellow vest protests, not antifa

There are probably some Antifa members in there considering this is primarily a leftist protest against centrism.
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Highly unlikely. Wage labor is on its last legs. The future won't have jobs the way we think about it.
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EzeDoesIt posted...

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@Crepes posted...

Seems every few months we hear about how government funding isnt signed off to try and force some other issue to get passed.

The idea of government funding needing to be signed off every so often is alien to me. How come this happens in the US? Doesnt it make it an easy tactic for the president to refuse to sign it in order to blackmail the country into passing something they dont want to?

Basically, the Republican Party has high jacked the government by refusing to fund it, ignoring serious issues and passing short term measures. This has been going on for at least 9 Years with them.

Have you noticed how now when a Democrat is elected, the Republicans just take away all his powers?

It sucks that the police are all owned by the Republicans, well never have a serious violent uprising.

That's the contradictions of America eating the system. This nation has long history of anti-democratic measures regardless of the party.
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@Crepes posted...

CloneTheHero posted...

not trying to win you over nor am i backtracking, they have nukes. im simply presenting what i know and what is fact. you put the pieces together and its highly likely they have a few nukes carefully hidden away ready to be armed when need be.

im not gonna source you youre a big boy you can do your own research. a quick google search will confirm everything ive just said. im not your personal assistant you can look up your own sources buddy. its not that hard, you can do it.

Facts are easily backed up by evidence. You havent produced any.

There is no "we" here. The elite got what it wanted.
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@Crepes posted...

Seems every few months we hear about how government funding isnt signed off to try and force some other issue to get passed.

The idea of government funding needing to be signed off every so often is alien to me. How come this happens in the US? Doesnt it make it an easy tactic for the president to refuse to sign it in order to blackmail the country into passing something they dont want to?

Basically, the Republican Party has high jacked the government by refusing to fund it, ignoring serious issues and passing short term measures. This has been going on for at least 9 Years with them.
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Go.
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shockthemonkey posted...

It took until the mid 90s for the majority of the country to be ok with interracial marriage, so Im not all that mad that the dude who freed the slaves was against it. He wouldnt have had the power to do anything if he hadnt been a sack of crap.

That's just saying that country is extremely racist.
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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...

You're on CE, people here will post contrarian nonsense just for the hell of it. Yes, Lincoln was a racist. This has been known literally since he was alive. But he wasn't an angry racist who wanted blacks enslaved or killed, he was more of a separatist (not the "we want a white nation" type we have nowadays.) As he sad during one debate with Douglas, "Because I do not want a black woman for a slave, I must necessarily want her for a wife. I need not have her for either, I can just leave her alone."

He didn't want to do anything that would make Southerners antsy about his intentions toward slavery (that didn't work), and even after the Civil War began, he didn't try to do anything about slavery until he needed to (the timing of the Emancipation Proclamation wasn't an accident; he knew it would prevent England or France from 'coming to the rescue' of the Confederacy). But still, he didn't do anything just because he wanted blacks to have equal rights, he did it because he felt slavery was an unnecessary evil and a negative to America's international prestige.

Sounds like a certain politician these days.
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Perascamin posted...

There really aren't very many white people in this country that would support a public leader who quite literally gave a speech about how whites and blacks aren't equal

They dress it up in language about economics and culture but the result is the same
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AdviceMan posted...

Anti-245 posted...

I find these responses to be dissatisfying because there were people from this time who had views quite similar to most of you, yet Lincoln gets a pass for something that's just a constant in American history.

I'm sure there were. Consider how the trends of support for gay marriage have change in the last 20 years. Yes, there were people who had always been in support for gay marriage, but every demographic "no" was the majority up until relatively recently. When I was a wee Catholic lad, I was like "Why can't they have civil unions and get all the benefits we have when we get married, if the whole marriage thing is a big deal." That was considered rather progressive. You can look back and say "That's not good enough." You'd be absolutely right. But my views didn't come from maliciousness or dislike from gay people, merely a misunderstanding of what constituted equality.

His views are not good views. But I am not so arrogant as to believe that I'd have been a trailblazer had I been in his position, nor is there any way to prove or tell if I would be. You can say you would be, but that would be equally unconvincing. After all, anyone can say in hindsight that they WOULD have been on the right side of history when there are no sacrifices to be made. Furthermore, I'm not even sure what you mean by "a pass". Lincoln is generally not favored at this point because of views, rather his actions. Even though those were romanticized as well, they were, for the most part, reasonable and net positives.

I'm simply not sure what the end game of this topic is. To dispel the myth that most educated people do not believe in the first place? To educate?

That racism white supremacy is a constant in American history and always will be. Lincoln's goal with keeping his union together had no slaves in his plans. He wanted to send us back to Africa immediately after the war. The slaves simply took advantage of a war between two snakes.
I believe gay marriage and chattel slavery are not comparable at all. Perhaps you should try something more like prison slavery abolition.
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I find these responses to be dissatisfying because there were people from this time who had views quite similar to most of you, yet Lincoln gets a pass for something that's just a constant in American history.
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shnangyboos posted...

Time to destroy all 5s and pennies! And tear down that fucking memorial!

If you do that, every president would be worth the same as Lincoln. I have no interest in liberal babble like you do. I'm more interested in other responses.
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https://www.nps.gov/liho/learn/historyculture/debate4.htm

Discuss.
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Kineth posted...

It doesn't, but it can coexist with them. Still, what is the "that" in those 2 sentences, you were being too general there.

What you described was state capitalism. The state provides some services to the population but actual power and resources are generated concentrated in the hands of small elite class. They call it a mixed economy but I believe that's an unecsessary term. Just call it state capitalism.
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Kineth posted...

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Kineth posted...

Look, I'm talking about economic theory, not how people committed atrocities for their centrally planned governments and 5 year plans which all started out as promises of better things, but ended up instilling fascist economies through the power-hungry nature of the respective countries' ruling parties. Those economies were not doing well before the Soviets. It's just very easy to seize power when your people are hungry and have just been through war. Either way, it going bad once or twice doesn't mean it will go bad every single time or that that's how it's supposed to even happen... whatever. You're not teaching me new things with this history lesson is my point.

I know about the atrocities committed and I think communism is a red herring, pun intended. We could have prevented Vietnam from becoming Communist and could have got a good footing in the Pacific Theater had we not been getting a healthy dose of that Red Scare from Joe McCarthy, but also if FDR hadn't have kept that secret operation hidden from Truman.... Like.. I get it. Authoritarian states are horrible and so are authoritarian economies. What part of the Manifesto, LaSallean economics or Das Kapital is concerned with such ideas of central planning and overarching governance? Like, the best criticism you can have for Communism is that it is too disorganized and needs to compromise itself and coexist with another economic system, much in the same way that capitalism and socialism already do.

But you guys spend time talking about war history in an economics discussion... and act like it's the first fucking time any of us have heard about world history. I mean, fuck dude.

You're conflating way too many things, which is why it's confusing. Socialism and capitalism can never coexist because one is the negation of the other. Nation states tend to always be authoritarian. It's just in their nature to do if they want any sort of life. To me, it's why the phrase "liberal democracy" makes no sense.

You're wrong and right at the same time. Capitalism can never exist if we adhere to the notion that any regulations on an economy hinders the free market. By that merit, people need to give up the idea that they've ever seen a capitalist economy in their life. This is hyperbole, don't worry. Socialism as it is seems to be poorly understood is using a part of the collected generated wealth/income in the country to place market floors into the S/D curve and so forth and are only issues when they start becoming about unessential goods. I consider health care and education to be essential goods, much in the same way that I consider clean water and running electricity and well kept roads to be things. None of these ideas are somehow foreign to "capitalism", as they shouldn't be.

You're right that they can't coexist under those names, but you're wrong about them being unable to coexist. Mixed economies are a thing. These notions of pure economies are laughable. Like the US is some laissez-faire masterpiece.

That's just state capitalism with a dash of neoliberal frame working. That has nothing to do with socialism. If you're actually looking for a type of "market socialism", you should look into mutualism.

What is "that" in each of your first 2 sentences? The rest of your post simply suggests that you realize there are intersections between the various systems. Truly though, it's about how it's implemented.

Some people call it a kind of market socialism. Socialism doesn't require states or markets(in the sense you're using).
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Liberals complaining about liberals.
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