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foolm0r0n posted...

Unbridled9 posted...

Actually it's because of BotW. Which I'm getting fed up of people griping about 'now that the honeymoon period is over'.

That's dumb as hell. You're complaining that people prefer MM to BOTW even though BOTW had like 16 months of "OMFG BEST GAME EVER MADE 12/10!!!!!!!!". And it's still just a tiny contingent of MM supporters (esp vs OoT, WW, etc).

Yes people are starting to realize BOTW is bland and empty compared to older Zeldas. So what? It's still probably the biggest example of blind fanboyism and LACK of criticism in games (much moreso than the 8.8 TP nonsense).

If you still think it's the best game ever then fine, but in no way are people being too critical of it. It's still given massive benefit of the doubt because it has Zelda in the name.

I actually used to be a big hater of the way BoTW went but after i experienced it thoughtfully, there were things i enjoyed, the Divine Beasts, despite being short, are rather memorable as dungeons for me and i put then there with Majora's equivalent 4 dungeons, some sidequests and overworld events are rather well made and i did like the amount of tunics we get, which are actually rather different one from the other, of course it has it's problems, and i have a bit of a personal peeve with the Hero Tunic being replaced by the Champion Tunic(because if a kid comes to me and say that is Link legendary clothes man that is going to make my eyes roll XD), but it did try a lot of new things, some worked, some didn't but it was an interesting experience though, by the way what was you guys favorite Divine Beast? it was Vah Ruta for me, Waterblight was also a good throwback to Ocarina in a way.
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Unbridled9 posted...

ZeldaTPLink posted...

I think modern gaming deserves criticism in a lot of ways, but there are still masterpieces being made.

Also comparing any Zelda to MM is a bit unfair. MM is inferior to most Zeldas in quite a few ways, but people love it because it has a level of story, characterization and world-building the rest of the series doesn't even try to do. It's not a better Zelda in the classic Zelda sense, it's an unique work of art.

If you want the perfect Zelda experience you should look for something like Zelda 1/LttP/OoT/TP/BotW, while MM is more like a spin-off.

I've played every Zelda title except SS (Motion plus problems). That's part of why I'm just so baffled and irritated. I felt MM was kind of middle-of-the-pack and hated the day mechanic; yet I constantly hear about how it's the best Zelda of all time and everything. Same goes for Morrowind and how people act like it's a condensed kiss from a gaming god while Skyrim is a 50 cent hooker you only paid 25 cents for to kiss your butt in comparison (I.E. They can't think of anything positive). Fallout? Same deal except, oddly, for NV. Pokemon Red and Blue? MASTERPIECES WORTHY OF ADORATION! Sun and Moon? YOU ARE A HEATHEN FOR FINDING ANYTHING EVEN REMOTELY POSITIVE!

*sigh*

It's just so damned tiring! As if all people want is the old game but made more 'mature' (I.E. dark with sex and violence) instead of actual improvements and any flaws get blamed onto what technology was like at the time, 'casual complaining', or something else stupid. Sure, some game series and franchises went downhill with modernization, but many went UPHILL as well! We're even starting to see platformers return despite being basically dead since the PS2 era and they're pretty sweet!

You actually make a fine point, i do find SS extremely interesting for me in a way that it has one hell of a swordplay maechanic, and the Wii Mote actually makes it really fun to go against certain opponents (Scaldera, Demise and others) but it seems that people just go on to dislike because it isn't as open world as other games, like it has to be mandatory always!, Persona 5 didn't need a big world and it was amazing!
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foolm0r0n posted...

G-O-F posted...

As a guy who kind of wants to try creating games (despite living on Brazil)

Brazil has an amazing dev scene that's prob the fastest growing in the world, both indie and professional/contract dev. Find the groups in your area and get started. I know there's a bunch in So Paulo at least.

Guess the dream is not over, gonna try that!
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metroid composite posted...

I mean, as someone whos been making games for nearly 14 years now...the industry has changed.

I started out on a team of 50 making mid-budget games every year. The most recent game I shipped was a 7 year project with about 1,700 people on it (RDR2).

Companies are just much more risk adverse when the budget is that large, so you will get more sequels in established genres with established control schemes. The games will be higher quality than their predecessors in various ways, provided thats the style of game you want to play. And if you like that style of game? Fantastic youre in luck.

But if youre into a genre that used to be popular when you started playing games in the 90s but isnt popular now (text adventures, platformers, RTS) youre basically looking at either the indie market or playing old games.

As a guy who kind of wants to try creating games (despite living on Brazil) any advice or tips on what i should learn or have? Sorry to be suddenly asking this but this is kinda my dream job to do even if the world says it sucks to be one id still do it.
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ConsiderSudoku posted...

garetha200 posted...

Xenosaga has amazing stories and a bunch of great characters

The first one was great 2 and 3 though, nah. Let's just be honest to TP, Kos-mos won because boobies. Same reason Aya beat Victor and Velvet beat James.

While we could say that is a factor, in Velvet case i can't go with this because she is really amazing in her game at least for me and would have voted for her there anyway, sorry if i sounded a bit forceful on this one.
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suddenly im getting interested in playing Xenosaga, i kinda tried in the past but it is a 3 part series after all, but i might try to check it up again.
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LapisLazuli posted...

I guess a big part of it is that said interpretation of the ending seems to vary wildly from person to person. How you take it has an enormous impact.

Definitely, but still an uplifting ending at least for me
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LapisLazuli posted...

The type of ending it had just appealed to me in a BIG WAY, as I revel in absurdity. I just really adore stuff like that, and I've never seen it executed better.

General cast I still give to DR2, though I consider V3's more balanced.

I'm not going to sit here and pretend the ZE series isn't vastly better written, DR's writing is just more appealing to me. Considering I see them as the two juggernauts, though, I wouldn't take that as a condemnation in any way.

I see, i can also understand that one would be completely Flabbergasted at the end, while i do prefer it would have been a little less agressive towards the audience message and that we only play the games to see the killing , the game was overall pretty good.
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LapisLazuli posted...

I'll take V3 over just about everything story wise.

Foolmo insults incoming.

Well this is an interesting opinion, what did you like about it? I won't deny that the cast didn't grab me as the others did but that is me.
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foolm0r0n posted...

The DR writer in an interview said he knew his stories were garbage and would let Uchikoshi handle that, so it might actually turn into a best of both worlds situation

I hope this happens, i understand not everyone is fine with Kodaka writing (bad choices were made in DV3 i agree) but i do want to see what they can cook up, at least for the fact that i hope it will still blow our minds.
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Reg posted...

LeonhartFour posted...

VLR > ZTD > 999, for the record

If you reverse this, I 100% agree with everything in your post.

For me it actually goes VLR = 999 > ZTD, but ZTD is still a good game, it is a shame it didnt have more of a budget, also fitting conclusion and i also cannot wait to see what Kotaro Uchikoshi (Zero Escape Writer i believe), Kodaka (Danganronpa Writer) and Danganronpa artist which i cannot recall his name now will pull on Too Kyo Games, the studio they formed, man i really hope their next one is amazing for those guys sure know their mind screws and art!
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Raka_Putra posted...

From TV Tropes:

Carlos is a well built action figure, suitable for either a super-hero or a G.I. Joe. A perfect fit for a man who will do anything to save the lives of others, even if it involves risking his own.
Akane is a Moe Catgirl figure, with a big smile and bright eyes. This reflects her more optimistic outlook that everyone can escape and that a brighter future can be created. Additionally, the fact that she's a catgirl references that not once, but twice she has been placed into a Schrodinger's Cat paradox.
Junpei is a voodoo doll, with the obvious reference to the fact that he accidentally gave Akane one when they were young. More deeply, however, is the fact that Junpei has gained a more melancholy and grim outlook on life compared to before.
Diana is a porcelain doll, a doll made to be warm, inviting, and comforting, but as anyone who owned one can attest to, will crack under time and pressure. If Diana dies in a timeline, the status screen shows the doll with a shattered face falling apart, possibly referencing an eventual fate of someone based on her.
Sigma is strong, determined, dependable, and big. Perfect fit for a nutcracker, wouldn't you say?
Phi is a paper doll, because she's flat. Okay, more in depth, it's likely because she stays firm and rigid, and never falters in her emotions.
For as Ax-Crazy as he can be sometimes, Eric still has the mindset of a frightened and over-emotional kid. Naturally, he's a baby doll, even if he takes offense to his representation.
Mira, a cold, emotionless, and uncaring person wrapped in layers of Fanservice is a dress-up doll, like a Barbie or Bratz. Dress them up all you want, they still don't break their empty stares.
Last is Q. Him being a Matryoshka doll should have obvious connotations the second you see it (a mystery concealing more mysteries, More to him that first appears, etc.), but what ISN'T obvious is why this isn't his symbol on the status screen. That's because it isn't Q's doll, it's Sean's. But that doesn't mean there isn't a doll for Q. Do you remember what was on the card in the pod room escape? That's right, a doll of Zero II, the missing doll from the cast!

Also found this:
Name of the game is Zero Time Dilemma. Move these letters around and what we got is Me, I'm Zero. I'm Delta.

thanks, this is really nice to know, im still surprised they managed to give a Moe Catdoll Akane a hidden meaning when it could only look like fanservice XD
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Xiahou Shake posted...

StarStormScream posted...

Heck, I still feel Vesperia is the absolute peak of the series when speaking of the "total package."

Damn buddy, this is my exact thought down to the "total package" phrasing. ^5

Vesperia just has too much good content while also having a great cast and combat system. The story is, uh... a bit scattered, but still enjoyable in pieces.

I do think that pretty much every game since Symphonia (sans Symphonia 2, Zestiria and maybe Legendia) is worth playing, though Abyss, Berseria, Xillia 2 and Graces all stand out as particularly great.

I particulaly agree to Abyss and Xillia 2, Xillia 2 is still the most emotionally charged i got in the series specially because i HATE the ending... but it is because of the story, so it is actually a good ending but is just extremely sad in my eyes
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Er guys if you don't mind me chiming in a bit late to the post party here, could you guys tell me what we're the significances or the meanings of each Doll in the Study?
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