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george > kramer = elaine > jerry
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Were you just looking at a reddit post involving company mistakes?
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GBA ones were the best
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A lot of things did.

Subprime loans (especially those with adjustable rate mortgages) fucked things up real quick.

Alan Greenspan (by far the biggest contributor to the crash on the government side of things) not being able to explain what a credit default swap was showed his fucking ignorance

Ratings agencies literally lying to the public

"Housing never goes down" mentality by investors

The exponential amount of money invested on people investing on housing (the big short scene with selena gomez explains this part perfectly)
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Not really, but they need to transition off WoW, and obviously started to a little bit ago. But the alienation of non WoW gamers for so long is hurting them now that WoW flatlined and started to decline in subscriber numbers. Overwatch's player base is still growing I think.
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If you keep it going too long then yes it will
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The Merger happened what year? And yes, it followed the same path as every other merger. The initial "this is crazy cool!" to "ya that didnt help the consumer in hindsight"

World of Warcraft also contributed to the destruction. Once a company goes MMO, they eventually will fall. We were getting a major game or large xpac every year for years leading up to WoW
95 - Warcraft 2
96 - Diablo
97 - Bunch of Warcraft offshoot games and Diablo Hellfire (easily the weakest year)
98 - StarCraft
99 - Brood War (released technically in December 98 if i recall)
00 - Diablo 2
01 - Diablo 2 Lord of Destruction
02 - Warcraft 3
03 - Frozen Throne
04 - WoW

Then nothing in 05, 06, WoW expansions in 07 and 08. Nothing non WoW until 2010. The magic was lost, at least once WoW would start to lose people's interest.

Its also why Elder Scrolls is fucked, why Final Fantasy 11 ruined Final Fantasy, and Fallout 76 will ruin Fallout.
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2006ish, then 07 to 15 or so was still ok for the most part. Been forgettable or bad for a few years now though. You can kinda tell they are done with the show.
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fuck 2007
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his social credit score just got fucked
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originals, but X arent bad
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they had been gone for a while, back in 2007
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kevwaffles posted...

You're trying way too hard with the 2007 gimmick to apply it here, Metal_DK.

How so? That was around the time period where this shift started. The person above you says the opposite. Open world games don't offer great stories. Open world games, combined with whatever flavor of the year online game(s) also have shit stories (CoD4 to Fortnite today)
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well i mean fewer resources are being put into heavily story driven games with the exception of a few games. Even recent great story games (Nier previously mentioned) are from lower budgets.

Gaming just shifted to online and boring open world games in 2007. Both of which are harder to have good stories (since so much open world crap is just fetch quest after fetch quest)
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always thought the final boss theme in mm6 was underrated...mm6's soundtrack as a whole is


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7 is a massive game, but worth it. Not the best in the series (still think 8), but loved 7 for how big it was
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Individual games now need to include more people because budgets are massive. Thus, you are seeing a bunch of fans of genres, interest levels, skills, etc all get their feet wet, but not their thirst quenched. This causes more people to feel unsatisfied.

This process happened for a while, but has especially been the issue since 2007 or so.
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Excellent character due to being flawed in a kinda interesting way. Nobodys perfect. Hes mostly just ignorant more than malicious though. He basically is a fictional character that sums up a lot of the loneliness epidemic that we see in the world though.
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is this game going over or under
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Uoty was fucking stupid, if its officially gone good.
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Its mostly because social media usage is down the past year or so, causing people to not get caught up in the fever pitch that it causes. The social media stuff that is still growing is more private usage.

https://www.convinceandconvert.com/social-media-measurement/6-unexpected-trends-in-2018-social-media-research/
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fuck the casual revolution of 2007
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Eddv posted...

It's not like we were living on a different fucking planet in 2006.

The environment will flip back some. It always does.

That is 100% wrong
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6, 10, tactics, 7

5 and 9

4, 8, 12, 13
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As someone who also lives in Georgia, Kemp is a fucking goon
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Fuck the casual revolution of 2007
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TLOU is a top tier choice for most overrated game.

Also any game released before 2007 automatically gets my vote over a game released 2007 or later
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She must be pretty hot if youre willing to put up with that. Seems like just something I wouldn't get involved with....at all
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uncharted is one of the most overrated series in gaming history, but sonic has been trash tier for a very very long time. 2 wannabe strong characters here, who cares
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https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/facebook-dilemma/?utm_source=promourl&utm_medium=direct&utm_campaign=frontline_facebookdilemma_2018

was 2016 the year people realized how 2007 stagnated society? The amount of people who realize the problem now is growing. Sad that it took a moron in the white house for people to realize that the internet in our pockets and the rise of the "personal brand" is fucking stupid
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FFX is high up there
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just wonderin i guess
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He seems like he cares at least, but who knows if hell know how to do anything
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Oh u accused me of not thinking it was their anniversary. No. I'm saying that wasnt the reason why he fucked up the first debate.
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Right cause Michelle is such a self centered bitch that she cant celebrate it a day later? This is the sitting president ffs shed been through stuff like that for years
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metroid composite posted...

But as the saying goes "when you have a hammer, everything starts looking like a nail". All I'm saying is that the first Obama/Romney debate is not the nail you're looking for.

Ok you are taking me very out of context now. I never said social media was the reason for obama Romney debates happening the way they did. I said they caused increased hostility. Because social media has. Lasa said they were tame. They werent
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And obama won the 2nd and 3rd because he took his opponent seriously. In the first debate he clearly had the body language of "I cant believe we are still taking these recycled ideas from Republicans seriously" in the 2nd and 3rd debates he was more "ok I guess we have to still do this"
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I'm sorry if you think Obama's anniversary was too distracting for him and that's why he didnt perform well in the first debate then maybe Romney should of won. When campaigning for the most important position in our government you tend to put things like anniversaries on hold.

Hell people with ordinary jobs put birthdays on hold all the time when they work on their birthday. Something like a presidential debate from the sitting president? Dude get real.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_debates,_2012

Search "anniversary". Ya nothing. Something as important and noteworthy as it should be here right?
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And post 165 was what I was more interested in discussing
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When did I say it did? You said the debates were tame. Compared to trump Clinton sure. I'm saying social media caused increased hostility in politics and it plays out in presidential debates.

Until we see a significant decline in social media use, presidential debates will be more hostile. Not necessarily increasingly hostile from election to election (ebbs and flows do happen), things like personality of candidates do matter, but 2008 was the first election of the current era. Social media is why, even moreso than the financial collapse
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metroid composite posted...

The first Obama Romney debate happened on Obama's wedding anniversary, and he was visibly distracted the whole time and kind of performed like shit.

That wasnt the reason get real. He didnt want to debate Romney because he legitimately didnt like what he stood for, which I side way more with obama on mind you.

He was distracted from his anniversary? Wtf are you serious? This is a man who had been president for 4 years...hes had distractions every day during Malias birthday or something else.
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Its social media in general.

1) everyone is jealous of each other now, rather than supportive. I know 40 somethings at my office who brag about having more Instagram followers than others and getting more likes and what not

2) people have way more opinions on things but are either pathetically informed or just saying stuff to feel part of the group

3) it causes people to not move on in life and close chapters. I know people who still stalk exes from 2010 on fb. That's almost a decade ago. Could you imagine in say 1997 being like "oh I'm just keeping tabs on an ex from 1990". People would tell you to get help. Now it's the standard it seems
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Obama Romney weren't tame....

Ok they weren't Clinton trump..but still they were not tame..

The first obama Romney debate was known for Obama looking disinterested and passive aggressive at Romney the entire debate...
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Nrrr posted...

people have, if anything, more access to true information now than they did back then

Also this specifically is HIGHLY debateable.
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Watch the debates between Bush and gore, they were extremely tame and gore was constantly agreeing with bush.

2000 primary barely mattered since Bush was a household name whose father was the director of the CIA and a former president. Gore was the incumbent VP. But there was some dirty stuff with McCain yes.
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Casual Revolution of 2007 happened. People moved on.
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Nrrr posted...

how can you say the 2000/2004 era or the 90s was more informed or reasonable or optimistic? people have, if anything, more access to true information now than they did back then. you are using some serious nostalgia goggles if you think people were more reasonable. the complexity of the world has not really changed, the perception of certain people has only changed because the internet has allowed everyone to interact with each other and see the way other people interact with each other, too. if you think the world is more complex, it is because you weren't seeing as much of it before, not because the world itself changed.

90s were definitely more optimistic. At least late 90s were. Early 90s had some level of recession as well.

2000 era was more informed because most of the issues were much less complex. You were younger, but anyone who didnt come of age over the past 15 years (aka somebody already in their 30s in 2004), were much better off. Also the total amount of absolute garbage opinions were smaller due to social media (or lack thereof). The ratio was more tolerable. People just went outside, maybe said something wrong, but only 4 people heard it.

A perfect illustration of whats going on these days is kinda like the scene in The Big Short with Selena Gomez and Richard Thaler. Only instead of synthetic CDOs, were now having this with just...dumb opinions. Ben Shapiro says something (most likely dumb, occasionally he says something i don't think is terribly dumb i guess), somebody makes a youtube video in support or against Ben Shapiros dumb comment, and then people make comments about the person who commented on Ben Shapiro. What happens when this entire thing implodes? This has gotten exponentially more stupid (and dangerous) since 2007, with perhaps another era starting around 2015 or so.

Things weren't anything great in 2000 or 2004 (late 90s were great although people overextended a bit in the tech sector). Also keep in mind the 2000 election didnt get crazy until after election day...the debates were actually pretty tame with Gore frequently agreeing with Bush a lot...I think Gore came across as the follower and Bush the "leader" in debates sadly, but they weren't beyond absurd. Things got this way in 2007. Even in 04 you didn't have nearly as many of layers upon layers of opinions (which also allows more out of context taking). Opinions about people's opinion on someone else's uninformed opinion etc. Who knows how wrong people can skew things after it goes down the chain.

Could you even imagine if the 2016 election had an ending like 2000s? Florida's 500 votes or whatever. The amount of social media absurdity? I mean it was already awful as hell. The campaign season was already awful, that ending would of been about the only thing that could of upped it even more.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

i remember the political debates during the GWB/kerry era. while they may have been slightly less... hysterical and polarized than the present-day political debates, 99% of it was still a bunch of people yelling at each other who 1) weren't experts on whatever they were debating, 2) hadn't read books on whatever they were debating, and 3) were absolutely convinced that they were right about whatever they were debating. how is that not "casual"?

I think you are projecting a bit there. First the discussions werent everywhere. Social media has turned everything into an attack on some sort of values that a group of people hold dear. I get into these types of discussions with my own family all the time, but it was/still is limited to a small audience.

Also I do think people had more informed opinions on things somewhat, because the issues in 2000/2004 (the last reasonable era so far, although I'd say the mid/late 90s was the last era of optimism in the world so far) were more cut and dry in a sense. We were still primarily talking about

economic: how do we get more jobs? Dems had one idea Repubs had another. Both kinda not understanding the problem here imo.

social: the early/mid 00s were basically two social issues being talked about nonstop. Gay rights (which really came down to "euu they icky" vs "uh, just don't have gay/lesbian sex?") and Rowe v Wade (which is still an issue today - its kinda what Kavanaugh was all about tbh). Social issues are a bit more complex now, and tons more social issues have risen into the frontlines (social media being a major, not the only, but major reason why)

foreign: Iraq, what do we do? Were the people lied to? (hint: yes)

The world was a lot less complex even in the immediate after days of 9/11. Hell 9/11 probably simplified things in some ways. Theres a trade off for that too.
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It's called the casual revolution because that's what it is. Just because it reminds you of the gamer "you an evil casual" era doesn't mean much. It's a bad response to the term.

We all now have absurd amounts of opinions on everything because of the centralized internet (which rose to prominence in 2007). Stories (or terms as well like metroid composite said) that people really have no business talking about rose to an exponential level.

And the 04 election WAS a lot more informed. Well, moreso the severity of stupid discussions were limited to a much much much smaller audience. The modern era of elections was 08....I wonder why

We are all casuals in most stuff now.
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