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Menardii posted...

Nuked

ProfessorKukui posted...

lol

Surprise! I aint dead.

Menardii posted...

I guess the mods will determine if it was disruptive posting or not.

I didnt make those posts.

Menardii posted...

It's @Momentous aka Hey

Yall obsessed. Ive done nothing.

darkphoenix181 posted...

ArchNemo posted...

Does anyone not know this trick at this point?

The only trick is that the FDA is paid off to not classify this compound as the chemical it is.

It is classified as a chemical. Everything is a chemical.

Ive played for a few hours today and while, yeah, it would be nice, the niche perks are more fun to use. Death wish is definitely my favorite perk and it plays a very similar role to jugg in that it lets you escape a tough spot. Its basically the medic super from ww2. Electric cherry is always fun to use. Stamin up is useful. Dead shot daiquiri and the ammo one next to it are also pretty good.

The maps are sick too. Alcatraz, the titanic, and the colosseum. Theyre fucking immersive to play in with the new graphics.

This is sadly my online account

Only if it were banging

hockeybub89 posted...

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Momentous posted...

None of the backstory is fake. Look at Roman records. Jesus was real, and there are documented evidenced of his deeds.

Christianity isn't the first religion to have claim its gods did real things. The Egyptian gods were supposedly officers of the court.

A man really being named Jesus at that time means nothing. Real people can be turned into fictional folk heroes.

The universe is impossible without a God. He is that which can create. While any can claim to make matter, only one has. The technology of 2000 years ago does not lend itself to recording evidence, but there is significant proof that Jesus did live as God and man.

Why is it impossible?

Religion works on people because we are really bad at admitting when we don't know an answer. The whole "God of the Gaps" fallacy. People have the same problem when they try to treat science like a religion. No one realizes that "I don't know" is a perfectly valid answer until you know otherwise. We don't need to assert a theory as fact or claim that we know for sure that an unknowable being did it.

What proof is there that makes Jesus anymore divine than anyone else? That makes Christianity any more true than any other religion that we have record of?

You're right that we had no way to record hard evidence, so all we have is word. What makes Christianity's word better than the word of other religions? Don't tell me that the Bible claims to be true. I can't think of many religions that said their gods were fake. Tell me what proves it more true than the thousand other religions that have copied each other since the beginning of man.

Because at some point there must be a source that exists on its own power. Contingent things are temporary, even a mountain is created and destroyed in the blink of an eye when compared to the earths lifespan.
Once again, Jesuss divinity has only been written down due to technological limitations at the time. Unless you are 2000 and living in Ancient Rome, you dont have primary proof of his actions.
The truth of Christianity, in the way you are arguing, would only be evident to those who witnessed Jesus. In the modern era, there is nothing that makes it more distinguished than Judaism, for example. However, this is the faith part of religion. Not that God exists, because that is a given, but that our own personal glimpse of him will lead us on the right path.

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

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hockeybub89 posted...

If God is so real and loving, then how come he is impossible to prove with science and logic and allows incomprehensible amounts of suffering?

Think about a dog and it?s human master. The dog comes up to it?s owner after a long day, who is sitting in his study reading a book. The dog sees the words on the page, but can not comprehend them. This is possibly our relationship to God. The answer to everything could be in front of our eyes, but we do not know how to make sense of it yet.

I can do you one better. We are all made up of cells, bacteria, microbes etc. All of which are individual living entities. Yet so are we. Individual living entities made up of countless smaller ones. A cell can't understand human emotions. A microbe can't comprehend the concept of an idea. Bacteria don't know what humans are. Extrapolate that outward where we are comparable to the cells, microbes and bacteria. We don't have the comprehension to understand god, in that same way. We just can't do it. It is beyond us. We can't define god.

Sooo... why have you spent this topic claiming to comprehend god and trying to define him?

We are able to glimpse part of God, its only the full thing that is incomprehensible. Similar to how a dog can be taught a few tricks, but not anything significant.
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Momentous posted...

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..yes? That?s literally what is
God is not the ?highest point? literally. He is the point which is incontingent. He is the source of the river, the peak of the mountain. If the universe was relative and existed in a cyclical manner, then God would be the central point.

That's not logical. That would be saying that god exists separately from being, which means god exists separately from god. The circle is a line bent onto itself. The center is void. It doesn't represent anything.

You seem to be misunderstanding contingency. God doesnt exist as a being. God is existence/a being.

Also everyone, we will be taking recess as I am going to bed. Feel free to post some more arguments and I will answer them when I wake up.

you know, if Im not suspended by then

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

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spudger posted...

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spudger posted...

No

...yes? That?s literally what is taught to priests.

So?

That doesn?t make it true

That?s faith not fact

It is fact. There exists a certain point where things can no longer get any larger, or conversely smaller, that point is divine.

You don't know that though. If god is infinite than you can't define a finite scale and therefore you can't state that there is a smallest or largest point. You can't prove that there is no sense of cyclicality either. The scope of reality could bend back upon itself like a snake eating its own tale, which is a fairly mainstream topic and has existed in cultures as well.

And? God is being. If being is circular, then God made it so. The ?ouroboros? idea is not contrary to contingency.

But you said it yourself... god is the "highest point" on the scope. Where does a circle begin and end? It doesn't. It's a circle. You will argue god is the circle itself but you can't provide any tangible evidence whatsoever that your definition of god fits your definition of the circle. "Cuz christianity says so" is not any form of evidence. It is simply speculation.

God is not the highest point literally. He is the point which is incontingent. He is the source of the river, the peak of the mountain. If the universe was relative and existed in a cyclical manner, then God would be the central point.

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

As for "look at Roman records..."

Look at records of people falsely imprisoned. Records exist of their crimes, but if they were falsely convicted, the records are false and thus fake news. There is no proof that your records are accurate. Records of hauntings don't prove ghosts. Records of ufo sightings don't prove aliens. They only prove that people have been convinced of them and that doesn't speak to the accuracy of accounts of them. Same logic applies to jesus.

There wasnt significant technological evidence in year 0 to show it 2000 years later. Jesus acted the way he did because he had to fulfill the prophecies of the ancient Jews to unite the 12 tribes under God. Jesus cleansed the temple with his own body and died to forgive sin.

hockeybub89 posted...

Momentous posted...

None of the backstory is fake. Look at Roman records. Jesus was real, and there are documented evidenced of his deeds.

Christianity isn't the first religion to have claim its gods did real things. The Egyptian gods were supposedly officers of the court.

A man really being named Jesus at that time means nothing. Real people can be turned into fictional folk heroes.

The universe is impossible without a God. He is that which can create. While any can claim to make matter, only one has. The technology of 2000 years ago does not lend itself to recording evidence, but there is significant proof that Jesus did live as God and man.

spudger posted...

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spudger posted...

No

...yes? Thats literally what is taught to priests.

So?

That doesnt make it true

Thats faith not fact

It is fact. There exists a certain point where things can no longer get any larger, or conversely smaller, that point is divine.

That does not imply Christianity

Christianity implies it.

Something cant imply itself

God said to Moses, I am who am. This is the genesis of the contingency argument

hockeybub89 posted...

If God is so real and loving, then how come he is impossible to prove with science and logic and allows incomprehensible amounts of suffering?

Think about a dog and its human master. The dog comes up to its owner after a long day, who is sitting in his study reading a book. The dog sees the words on the page, but can not comprehend them. This is possibly our relationship to God. The answer to everything could be in front of our eyes, but we do not know how to make sense of it yet.

spudger posted...

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Dragonblade01 posted...

Momentous posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

Momentous posted...

I dont talk to weebs. Post it in English or be ignored.

ah, the excuses of the weak mind

you have already acknowledged me the victor

No, Im fact I am acknowledging you as the failure. Japanese has no place on an AMERICAN website.

my victory has already been sealed

leave while you still can

You have nothing. A meme is of no substance to an educated mind.
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

"We'll just call this thing 'god' and make up a bunch of fake backstory without proving any of the backstory but since we can just reverse it and say 'but that's the definition of god' and therefore that has to make god reality as per the backstory we've made up."

Not a valid argument.

None of the backstory is fake. Look at Roman records. Jesus was real, and there are documented evidenced of his deeds.

His existence, not his divinity

Unfortunately, we must wait until the rapture to see Jesus again. There is plenty of evidence of his divinity. His speeches after his resurrection, for example.

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Momentous posted...

spudger posted...

Momentous posted...

spudger posted...

No

...yes? That?s literally what is taught to priests.

So?

That doesn?t make it true

That?s faith not fact

It is fact. There exists a certain point where things can no longer get any larger, or conversely smaller, that point is divine.

You don't know that though. If god is infinite than you can't define a finite scale and therefore you can't state that there is a smallest or largest point. You can't prove that there is no sense of cyclicality either. The scope of reality could bend back upon itself like a snake eating its own tale, which is a fairly mainstream topic and has existed in cultures as well.

And? God is being. If being is circular, then God made it so. The ouroboros idea is not contrary to contingency.

spudger posted...

Momentous posted...

spudger posted...

Momentous posted...

spudger posted...

No

...yes? Thats literally what is taught to priests.

So?

That doesnt make it true

Thats faith not fact

It is fact. There exists a certain point where things can no longer get any larger, or conversely smaller, that point is divine.

That does not imply Christianity

Christianity implies it.

Dragonblade01 posted...

Momentous posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

Momentous posted...

I dont talk to weebs. Post it in English or be ignored.

ah, the excuses of the weak mind

you have already acknowledged me the victor

No, Im fact I am acknowledging you as the failure. Japanese has no place on an AMERICAN website.

my victory has already been sealed

leave while you still can

You have nothing. A meme is of no substance to an educated mind.
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

"We'll just call this thing 'god' and make up a bunch of fake backstory without proving any of the backstory but since we can just reverse it and say 'but that's the definition of god' and therefore that has to make god reality as per the backstory we've made up."

Not a valid argument.

None of the backstory is fake. Look at Roman records. Jesus was real, and there are documented evidenced of his deeds.

Dragonblade01 posted...

Momentous posted...

I dont talk to weebs. Post it in English or be ignored.

ah, the excuses of the weak mind

you have already acknowledged me the victor

No, Im fact I am acknowledging you as the failure. Japanese has no place on an AMERICAN website.

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Momentous posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

The debate is over. I won.

You lost. You presented nothing.

False. You presented fake news. I pointed out that it was fake news. You lost.

Ummm no? If you look at the topic there is ample proof for each claim I provided. You simply are too biased to see reason.

No there isn't. You provided no proof whatsoever. You just posted fake news.

I posted logic. If you can not understand the significance of what I said, then you may want to take a course on logic (or theology as it will be explained).

Joelypoely posted...

I, the former atheist, was no match for the Lord with his heavenly gleam.

For he sayeth unto me, go forth and spread His divine word.

At that I shall.

Amen

The lamb of God takes away the sins of the world. Have mercy on us.

spudger posted...

Momentous posted...

spudger posted...

No

...yes? Thats literally what is taught to priests.

So?

That doesnt make it true

Thats faith not fact

It is fact. There exists a certain point where things can no longer get any larger, or conversely smaller, that point is divine.

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Momentous posted...

spudger posted...

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Dragonblade01 posted...

Momentous posted...

It is impossible to kill God as long as there is existence.

that is impossible for one very simple reason

god wa mou shindeiru

Dragonblade01 posted...

TC didn't reply to me making me the victor

I don?t talk to weebs. Post it in English or be ignored.

@spudger He isn?t a being. That?s the point. He is being itself. He is the core of the universe that allows everything to exist.

Prove it

If something exists, there must exist what it takes for that thing to exist.
The universe?the collection of beings in space and time?exists.
Therefore, there must exist what it takes for the universe to exist.
What it takes for the universe to exist cannot exist within the universe or be bounded by space and time.
Therefore, what it takes for the universe to exist must transcend both space and time.

You can't prove that "what it takes for the universe to exist" is "god" or any particular deity or even what that something is.

That is what Christian theology means be God.

spudger posted...

No

...yes? Thats literally what is taught to priests.

spudger posted...

Momentous posted...

spudger posted...

Momentous posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

Momentous posted...

It is impossible to kill God as long as there is existence.

that is impossible for one very simple reason

god wa mou shindeiru

Dragonblade01 posted...

TC didn't reply to me making me the victor

I dont talk to weebs. Post it in English or be ignored.

@spudger He isnt a being. Thats the point. He is being itself. He is the core of the universe that allows everything to exist.

Prove it

If something exists, there must exist what it takes for that thing to exist.
The universethe collection of beings in space and timeexists.
Therefore, there must exist what it takes for the universe to exist.
What it takes for the universe to exist cannot exist within the universe or be bounded by space and time.
Therefore, what it takes for the universe to exist must transcend both space and time.

But to assume thats god, esp Christian god is pure insanity

What I stated is the Christian God. The man in the sky is only a view held by children and the uneducated. Any respectable theology class would teach you this in the first week.

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Momentous posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

The debate is over. I won.

You lost. You presented nothing.

False. You presented fake news. I pointed out that it was fake news. You lost.

Ummm no? If you look at the topic there is ample proof for each claim I provided. You simply are too biased to see reason.

spudger posted...

Momentous posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

Momentous posted...

It is impossible to kill God as long as there is existence.

that is impossible for one very simple reason

god wa mou shindeiru

Dragonblade01 posted...

TC didn't reply to me making me the victor

I dont talk to weebs. Post it in English or be ignored.

@spudger He isnt a being. Thats the point. He is being itself. He is the core of the universe that allows everything to exist.

Prove it

If something exists, there must exist what it takes for that thing to exist.
The universethe collection of beings in space and timeexists.
Therefore, there must exist what it takes for the universe to exist.
What it takes for the universe to exist cannot exist within the universe or be bounded by space and time.
Therefore, what it takes for the universe to exist must transcend both space and time.

TheCyborgNinja posted...

Pre-question: which branch of Christianity is correct?

I mean, they can't all be.

Roman Catholicism aka the original church.

Joelypoely posted...

Momentous posted...

No, God is being. The existence of everything in the universe was created out of Gods love.

Okay you've convinced me. Congratulations on winning the debate. That's 1-0 to Team Theism.

Love to see it.

Dragonblade01 posted...

Momentous posted...

It is impossible to kill God as long as there is existence.

that is impossible for one very simple reason

god wa mou shindeiru

Dragonblade01 posted...

TC didn't reply to me making me the victor

I dont talk to weebs. Post it in English or be ignored.

@spudger He isnt a being. Thats the point. He is being itself. He is the core of the universe that allows everything to exist.

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

The debate is over. I won.

You lost. You presented nothing.

Joelypoely posted...

Momentous posted...

How is it circular reasoning? Which part? Contingency? Existence?

God exists. God is being. Being exists. Therefore God exists.

I exaggerate a bit but it's something like that.

No, God is being. The existence of everything in the universe was created out of Gods love.
spudger posted...

Imagine believing in a being in the sky

God is being. There is no sky father that is controlling every aspect of your life.

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Momentous posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Momentous posted...

I see that the atheists have resorted to insults to both me and respected theologicians. Please present some facts or engage with an honest counter so this debate can continue.

I did post a fact. That tom dude does fake news like his buddies alex and domald

You do know who he is right? He isn?t alive today. This is established Catholic doctrine.

Established fake news, yes I know. Try to keep up.

Explain how anything I stated was fake. This is supposed to be a debate.

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

What's up with Catholic priests/higher ups and doing bad things to kids?

Corruption of man. The wolf in sheeps clothing. I am sad to say that my old friend Cardinal Wuerl was caught up in these scandals and had to resign.

ThePrinceFish posted...

Momentous posted...

God is the greatest!!!!!

Gonna have to go ahead and agree with this. This guy knows his stuff.

Thank you.
Dash_Harber posted...

What about us pagans?

Convert, as believing in false Gods will lead you to despair.
Joelypoely posted...

Momentous posted...

God is being itself.
Since God is existence, he created the entire world out of love.
We are all products of his creativity and we all receive his grace.
Thinking logically, God must exist as there must be an incontigent end of contingent things.

Circular reasoning (I realise this is a joke but I'll pretend to take it seriously)

How is it circular reasoning? Which part? Contingency? Existence?

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Momentous posted...

I see that the atheists have resorted to insults to both me and respected theologicians. Please present some facts or engage with an honest counter so this debate can continue.

I did post a fact. That tom dude does fake news like his buddies alex and domald

You do know who he is right? He isnt alive today. This is established Catholic doctrine.

Menardii posted...

God is a woman

God is traditionally represented as a man, but his true form is outside of our comprehension.
Dragonblade01 posted...

Momentous posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

god is already dead

God can not die as he exists eternally.

nope, he is already dead

It is impossible to kill God as long as there is existence.
0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

What if the Muslims are correct? They seem equally as convinced of their version of God, if not more so

Muslims believe in the same God. The difference with them is that they believe the Messiah has not yet arrived.
From a logical standpoint, no Catholic would go to hell for believing in Jesus if the messiah hadnt appeared as it would be impossible to tell when the messiah would arrive. However, as a Catholic I must say that any who do not believe will go to hell. All sins can be forgiven as long as one truly repents, but a lack of belief is not forgiveable.

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

It was fun impersonating Hey in some of the previous ones. Be careful though. Pay attention to first letters of words making hidden messages. That sort of thing caused some shenanigans in the last attempt at one of these.

Woah?!?!? Did you just admit to impersonation???? You better hope someone doesnt mark you.

Dragonblade01 posted...

god is already dead

God can not die as he exists eternally.

I see that the atheists have resorted to insults to both me and respected theologicians. Please present some facts or engage with an honest counter so this debate can continue.

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Momentous posted...

I shall begin with simple facts.
God is being itself.
Since God is existence, he created the entire world out of love.
We are all products of his creativity and we all receive his grace.
Thinking logically, God must exist as there must be an incontigent end of contingent things.

Source?

Thomas Aquinas. I see you arent theologically educated.
ThePrinceFish posted...

Go Team God

God is the greatest!!!!!
0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that even he couldnt eat it?

No, as the Son of God his power is infinite.

Menardii posted...

Menardii posted...

@God doesn't have a Gamefaqs account so therefore he doesn't exist.

Atheists BTFO'd

A man of THE LORD. God is with us at all times. His grace and glory is infinite.

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Momentous posted...

Woahhhhh Ill be there

Shut up new user.

Who the fuck are you

I shall begin with simple facts.
God is being itself.
Since God is existence, he created the entire world out of love.
We are all products of his creativity and we all receive his grace.
Thinking logically, God must exist as there must be an incontigent end of contingent things.

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

if you were REALLY a soldier for the Lord, you'd be ready to defend him anytime like your Hardcore champ title.

Unbreakable posted...

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

But this account will almost certainly be suspended by then, new user

Fair enough. I shall defend the LORD here and now. Join me in my new topic

As a MAN OF THE LORD, I am righteous and holy, educated far beyond anything you could comprehend. Tomorrow, at 7 est, I will be engaging you all in debate. R

Let me join the club

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