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creativename posted...

Yuri_LowelI posted...

Can we not have one wih non exclusive game characters? Its been nearly 20 years surely we can do one with non exclusive game characters? It would be way more fun.

This would be the best scenario.

I dont really understand the reluctance from Allen.

All the people complaining about Lets remove Link from the contest! Hes too stronkkkk!!! Should be asking for a fictionals contest. Add Batman and Darth Vader into the mix. Suddenly Link doesnt look so safe.

Also even if Link is naturally stronger than Batman now, would it be a shock if Batman wins via bandwagon or rally? I dont think so.

Seriously, everyone wanting Link removed from the bracket - because hes too popular to be in a popularity contest - should instead be demanding a contest with Darth Vader and Batman and Spider-Man.

The reason is obvious. Then it's not a video game contest anymore. It's a random popularity contest, and it doesn't have anything particularly to do with GameFAQs other than being hosted by it.

Like, if we're gonna go with a "fictional characters" contest, why not add historical characters? Abraham Lincoln vs Batman would be one heck of a battle, no?
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Well, that was fun for 20 minutes. Congratulations, Link. Maybe Cloud can get this to over 45% by the end. That would certainly cement him as an undisputed #2.
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red sox 777 posted...

Votals are kind of low. We are 250 behind Link/Zelda, which had Mario/Samus spillover, and 100+ behind Cloud/Zelda, which had Mario/Cloud spillover. But we are also 60 behind Mario/Cloud and I don't know why that would be.

I feel like a lot of regulars might be holding their vote until the end instead of at the beginning.
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xp1337 posted...

TheOneAboveAll posted...

You know, this match feels oddly familiar.

Based on yesterday's trends... Cloud wins.

you come at the king you best not miss

Link's got this easily.

I mean, I'm pretty sure he does too. But it would be pretty cool if Cloud can keep this in range so that it's still in doubt for a few hours.
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You know, this match feels oddly familiar.

Based on yesterday's trends... Cloud wins.
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Man, these Link anti-votes are real.
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Cloud out here throwing haymakers right now. We're not far from a knockout, even with potential rallies.
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Yes, but Zelda has a stronger day vote than Mario.
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charmander6000 posted...

Honestly, it's because people are still angry Mario defeated Crono in 2003. Outside of beating Samus a couple of days ago Mario has been very non-controversial for 15 years.

Mario hasn't had much to be controversial about since. He's either been a clear winner or on the other end of a Clinkeroth beatdown, or involved in SFF shenanigans, which were just hilarious.
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At what point do we call Cloud's lead insurmountable, even with rallies? Does he need to be at 500 or better with two hours remaining to feel safe?

If the rallies don't come, I think hitting 350 before noon means that he should win.
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Zelda busted out her biggest update since 2:40 AM, and all she got out of it was a stall. Ouch.
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At this point, Mario still had a lead of over 100 votes. Rallies are always possible, but Cloud looks in good position at the moment.
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From this point until the end yesterday, Cloud rose 1.26%

Mario's lead at this point was 296 votes.
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Cloud's gonna take his rightful spot as #2 overnight.

And I'm guessing he gets a minor bandwagon to 45% in the final.
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Saw that coming. We're gonna go down to the wire again.
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We just saw this yesterday. Zelda needs a much, much bigger lead to be safe here.
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That was unreal out of the gate from Cloud. Coming way down to Earth now.
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Cloud with the headshot.

Mario now needs to win the final 7 updates by over 16 votes per update.
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Mario needs to win the final eight updates by an average of just over 12 votes per update to win.
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Cloud's 57-vote update ties his biggest update since 10:25 AM.
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Cloud's bringing the anti-clutch.

These last two hours are going to be insane.
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So this is where the Mario clutch kicks in?
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Nanis23 posted...

LeonhartFour posted...

TheOneAboveAll posted...

There's a reason Sephiroth jumped from being barely better than Mega Man to getting 61% on Mario

I mean there's an even better example than that

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/995-west-division-semifinals-mega-man-vs-sephiroth
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/1366-tournament-semifinal-sephiroth-vs-mega-man

Between 2002 and 2003, Mega Man gained 33 votes.

wtf
How was this explained

What the hell happened with FFVII in 2003

Kingdom Hearts. Exactly like I said in my initial comment.
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Well those two updates were fun.
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Xuxon posted...

Safer_777 posted...

The next year Sephiroth which was Number 3 back then defeated Mario with 61%! Think about that! Cloud would have doubled him no doubt.

2003 Cloud was a beast but so was Sephiroth; Cloud got less than 52% against Seph.

and i mean Cloud didn't quite double Sonic, he wouldn't have doubled Mario

Eh. I think Sephiroth got so close to Cloud in that final because of Link fan backlash. They wanted revenge. Remember, Cloud put up 56% on Sephiroth just one year later.
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Safer_777 posted...

@trogita Cloud started as a beast. Don't forget this site became famous of a FF 7 guide. For the first years FF 7 dominated here. Yeah Cloud lost to Mario in the 1st contest BUT Mario had a new game the day that match came out and there was a rally for him too(yeah rallies were always in the contests).
The next year Sephiroth which was Number 3 back then defeated Mario with 61%! Think about that! Cloud would have doubled him no doubt.

2003 was all about Kingdom Hearts, not FF7. There's a reason Sephiroth jumped from being barely better than Mega Man to getting 61% on Mario, and--let's not forget--that that was the year that Cloud actually beat Link.

FFVII gave them the starting potential, but 2003 was the year of Kingdom Hearts.
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From this point to the end of Mario/Sephiroth, Mario went *up* .04%.

This is gonna be down to the wire.
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So this is it. Over 16 years later, we'll find out if Mario still has the "clutch" that was introduced against... Cloud Strife.

Oh, it's on.
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From this point until the end against Sephiroth, Mario lost .24%.

Of course, he also bled a lot less overnight in this match. If that's because he somehow found new strength for this match, he should be okay. If it's because his voters came in early because they knew this would be tight, things could get interesting.
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Yuri_LowelI posted...

Cmon cloud.

Do this for gamefaqs.

Also this guy takes AGES to unlock in smash certainly in single player and has about 2 spirits and 2 music track related to him. He may as well not be in smash.

Yeah, what was up with that? It was almost like they wanted Mario to only be an afterthought.
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Well that was a huge spike update. Are we seeing rallies or are both sides just cheating now?
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There's no way that 15-minute insane Mario spike was legit, is there?
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I'm wondering if Monkey Island would be weaker in a series contest than Guybrush Threepwood was in Character Battles.

I'm also inclined to believe that that might be our perfect stats crossover, because those should be absolutely equal in strength.
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Power Hour over
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creativename posted...

Luigiman59 posted...

Link absolutely needs to be permanently retired. You remove him and the contest becomes unpredictable and more fun.

Im not sure how even the biggest Link fanboys can look at his performance and be like yeah knowing who is going to win before the contest even starts is much more entertaining. Selfish.

The notion of a popularity contest with the most popular characters removed is such a silly idea.

We know Link wins. He's the most popular. It's established. It's over. He's #1. It's just a lot more fun for everyone fighting for #2 to not have to get taken out earlier by facing him. It's a wasted space.

The final battle can be just Link vs the winner. Just to show how far away Link is from everyone.
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creativename posted...

Villains and females would be bad, best series boring, no point in another character contest so soon, and games should wait for GOTD.

And is quotes a joke choice...?

A best console mini contest or no contest are the only sensible options IMO.

What would be wrong with a Link-less full-on characters contest?
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_SecretSquirrel posted...

TheOneAboveAll posted...

This makes no sense.

When's the last time Cloud won a board vote, ever? And how did he do it against Freakin' Mario?

I already explained how. Everything in the last few days, from Link domination, Cloud not breaking 40 on Link, and Mario barely escaping Samus shifted the board vote to Cloud here.

The board supported Mario over Samus. There shouldn't be any backlash from that in Cloud's favor.
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This makes no sense.

When's the last time Cloud won a board vote, ever? And how did he do it against Freakin' Mario?
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Mario lost 4.75% from the freeze to the finish against Sephiroth. This is over.
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Man, Mario couldn't even lead Cloud at the freeze. This is going to be a beating.
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Mario putting a bit of a fight here now, but this is big trouble for him.
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Cloud rising.
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Cloud leading this early isn't great news for Mario.
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Character Battle XI.

Link excluded.
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Safer_777 posted...

Man every site has its own thing. For example here Crono is one of the strongest characters despite beeing in only 1 game ever.

Gordon Freeman sucks. BUT when Gamespot had a contest Gordon demolished everyone and he won the whole thing! He even beat Link!

So every site is different.

Here Link and LOZ games rule. That is all.

Imagine not knowing how not representative of anything the Gamespot contest was.
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Team Rocket Elite posted...

Bandwagon plus SFF just makes a big mess out of the battle. I don't think we'll get much information out of this battle other than reinforcing the LAW.

I actually have a feeling that the bandwagon plus SFF actually makes this one of the most accurate direct results we'll ever get from an SFF match.
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And Link blows by 60%.
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red sox 777 posted...

Also yeah I'm not 30 yet so I'm going to go cry in a corner because Crono lost now.

You're not 30 yet?? How young were you back in 2002?

No, better question: How did someone that young end up such a Crono superfan?

EDIT: I'm also a Crono superfan. I didn't realize until after I posted this that I'm not 30 yet either. Man, I feel old.
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I already had the "how the heck are you still in school" conversation with Ulti like 20 stats topics ago.
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red sox 777 posted...

I probably posted it in one of the stats topics years ago but I did do a trendline analysis for Mario/Crono 2003 along the lines of what Lopen did for the Draven matches, and that's where the 10,000 number is coming from. The match pulled in about 10,000 more votes in the last 3-4 hours than it would have based on normal 2003 vote intake trends, and the reason people didn't notice it was so big at the time was that 40% of the extra votes went to Crono.

Granted, the male/female poll being responsible is not proven. But it does fit the data pretty well, and I don't know how else you could have rallied that many votes in 2003, especially for Crono. Another alternative is both sides were stuffing hard, and Mario stuffed more.

Also, the male/female poll was during Mario/Cloud, not Mario/Crono. There is zero way it had an impact on Mario/Crono, because it didn't happen during that match.
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