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in all fairness, the DK series was more about Mario...versus Donkey Kong, when Mario vs DK came in, it came during a time when Mario attempted to sustain itself by ports or spinoffs. in comparison MvDK just looked a tad safe in comparison to Superstar Saga. as for MvDK itself, the series progressively became worse, focusing more on the toys as Lemmings, before being regulated to fremmium games.

1990 was the last time an actual, major Mario game was released with Super Mario World, sure there were games like Six Golden Coins, but they're seen more as miniaturized versions of Mario with experimental formulas. and there was 1995's Yoshi's Island, but arguably that was more for Yoshi as a mascot.

1996 had a triple threat with Mario 64, Mario RPG and Kart 64. though the latter 2 would technically count as spinoffs, though they're spinoffs that has notably improved on existing formulas or are less likely to be copypasted. you just have tons of 64 games until near the end with 2000's Paper Mario. though it'd probably be cherrypicking to think that Kart is more valid as a series compared to Party, simply because mechanics remained consistently familiar whilst feeling like there has been more effort put into it.

2001: Luigi's Mansion/Kart Super Circuit
2002: Sunshine
2003: Double Dash/Superstar Saga
2004: Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
2005: Mario Kart DS/Partners in Time
2006: New Super Mario Bros
2007: Super Paper Mario/Galaxy
2009: Bowser's Inside Story
2010: Galaxy 2

just between 2001-10 alone, there's probably like 56 games, counting ports, spinoffs, one-off spinoffs (like Dance Dance Megamix), and even things like Dr Mario Rx. but not stuff that simply features mario as cameos. or even Arcade games like Mario Kart Arcade GP.

Stuff like Megamix/Kart Arcade would have the dancing bear in that they're a dancing game/Kart game featuring Namco characters respectively, but wouldn't spark that well even among fans. whereas Mario anything would probably sell. the fans of individual series might stick by but progressively, spinoffs do get weaker, if the Mario&Luigi RPG and Paper Mario series is anything to go by, though the latter suffered more from a mechanics/genre shift, compared to the first 2 games.

Probably went off topic a bit. but people wasn't really that shocked for Pauline in Mario VS DK because it just gave off the sense that it was just a one-time thing, or a character that'd only be used in those games. when Pauline was revealed in Odyssey, suddenly that was the popularity boost she needed; the main Nintendo fans would be more partial towards an entirely new Mario game that looks like it's actually attempting to do something daring, instead of just doing a New Super Mario Bros for the forth/fifth time ever.

A Mario character has not gotten such large things since the days of Rosalina. she appeared in Kart Wii as a potential early-save bonus, and was revealed as a character for Smash 4. the Mario series rarely introduces new characters who'd be used as a regular part of the cast. there was that later-generation period when they used Wario, Daisy and introduced Waluigi to bulk up the roster. whereas Nintendo was scared of using Diddy for a time, he only appeared from 2003 in Toadstool Tour/Double Dash, though he dropped out of Kart since Wii.

you have new-gen characters like E Gadd and Bowser Jr. the latter had slightly bad reception due to being voiced and being a bit unbelievable as an antagonist, but his later characterization from Galaxy-onwards were more wholesome in comparison. also, Toadsworth, whose only playable role was in 2007's Mario Super Sluggers, if you're ignoring Yakuman DS. (2005, JP only)
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One alternate thing, they only objected to the feather....now Mr G&W's former native Indian form for that frame looks like he's actually naked. really, when the character is wholly 1 color (besides the outline), the loincloth looks a bit suggestive.
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Japan thinks that having an app on the apple store ensures that they think that an app would look genuinely premium+unhackable, then they do a spittake why android users didn't take the bait after games leaves a few months of exclusivity. an example? just look at Mario Run. the game isn't really that deep, and the pricepoint was kind of excessive for a runner game, to the extent that after a few months of release on android, they already had a sale.

And even then, they added that 10/100/whatever-run mode that added Daisy just to add some semblance of collectibles when they're just remixed versions of existing stages. it's no wonder they learnt their lesson with Fire Emblem and Pocket Camp, now they're making mad wonga. arguably the latter 2 games is really the type of game you shouldn't limit your audience with, just imagine if Fire Emblem Heroes bought out an OP unit during an Apple release but never reran the character ever again (or just not in a tuned/featured banner), or had a sizable early-game bonus, that alone would put Android players at a disadvantage.

Yes, even Pocket Camp was non-competitive, also didn't feature lootboxes on launch. but that game seems more casual but far more customizable, it's not like say Final Fantasy Brave Exvius. probably just expecting the rich/hardcore fans to buy costumes/voice clips or something, making back their budget tenfold easily.
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gamester_12345 posted...

the removal of stuff like miiverse and lack of things like QR codes+spotpass would really limit the appeal the game would have. sure you'd probably have a large amount of fanfare for it to not be a party game, but the large amount of community built around it would be lost.

I mean what else can they do with Animal Crossing that'd make it as good as New Leaf, but better? secret caves behind the waterfall? maybe useful features ingame like packing whole suits into a set, or even recoloring almost any piece of clothing?

Animal Crossing already started to show signs of wearing thin, that it was basically Nintendogs-tier to Nintendo fans during the Wii Music generation. so it jumping up from the grave with New Leaf was kind of amazing. it certainly didn't feel like a downgrade (besides the internet) like Wild World was.

You make it sound like the Miiverse integration in New Leaf was super heavy

Game was fine before all of that and it'll be fine now. It's a life sim and it's one of Nintendo's popular franchises

I don't mean that the miiverse was vital, but more like that had it remained alive, then there could have been another avenue for sharing content. otherwise you just have individual websites like here and Pixiv for QR codes. with nintendo wiping their hands clean with what people post online, i would not be surprised if there was less emphasis on online content, barring going to friends towns or whatever.

A large part of New Leaf was the sheer amount of customization you could do in the game, ranging from the town to even furnishings. and they even managed to add a few minigames with the Welcome Amiibo update, which seems like a way to replace things like NES games. just seems like it'd be a step backwards if they reduced on the things they added with New Leaf.

It's simpler to remain with what worked, but since there's much more on the line, i'd honestly think that a Switch Animal Crossing would somehow be in a worse position compared to New Leaf. Nintendo would basically have to do better than stuff like the Splatoon 2 servers, or even offering NES games as a Nintendo Online-only thing...than a fully fledged Virtual Console. like the game will probably be graphically gourgous, but the player interaction will be extremely limited.
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the removal of stuff like miiverse and lack of things like QR codes+spotpass would really limit the appeal the game would have. sure you'd probably have a large amount of fanfare for it to not be a party game, but the large amount of community built around it would be lost.

I mean what else can they do with Animal Crossing that'd make it as good as New Leaf, but better? secret caves behind the waterfall? maybe useful features ingame like packing whole suits into a set, or even recoloring almost any piece of clothing?

Animal Crossing already started to show signs of wearing thin, that it was basically Nintendogs-tier to Nintendo fans during the Wii Music generation. so it jumping up from the grave with New Leaf was kind of amazing. it certainly didn't feel like a downgrade (besides the internet) like Wild World was.
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nothing is created from nothing, everything constantly changes state in the universe. ranging from chemicals being converted, or various forms of life living and dying off. and even then, overall, life itself is simply a cache of chemicals that can be used to feed other forms of life anyway.

humans has progressed far enough to a degree that we have conscience about the damage we could be causing to animals collectively, or the world itself at large. that's why there's humane killing and pest control. if people believes that there's zero-loss/netgain with the production of food, then they're highly uninformed. we're also harming the earth itself just to gather minerals to produce metals, and even at the civilian/consumer level, we're inadvertently dumping things in lakes/earth anyway either with waste or pesticides.

The best people can do is to reduce the influence humanity has over the environment we have, with a rapidly-growing (and aging!) population by trying to be more efficient with the space and resources we have. and reducing waste overall. though it's probably starting to sound a bit preachy now.

Compared to the humanity of a few hundred/thousands of years ago, we've surprisingly got off pretty light, at least population wise. we're at constantly evolving technology, we've researched baceria/viruses either for immunity or for our own benefit. we've managed to harness light from the sun to convert and store it as power for our own purposes. (mainly to power machines).

the older civilisations probably only did stuff like make use of the natural slants of the land for the sake of Irrigation, or created water/windmills just for bread. but even further back, humanity has created a written systen that formed basis of literature, enabling people to share knowledge and learn. different values and cultures, we've grown decadent but war has grown a lot less personal by using machines to automate the recruitment process. the true thing we have to worry about now is stuff like carbon emissions, sea life and stuff like the Amazon. we're also set up to fail in some aspects like sticking to a few types of grain/rice or banana cultivars. (essentially clones. we've already gone through at least one type of banana in the past).

Basically human ingenuity and creativity is our strong point, but with only a few people in power makes it much easier to succumb to our own nature, ruining it for everyone else. intelligence is a natural thing, but it's a conscious effort to refine. it's just to be expected that people are not going to see the huge picture of what we do as a species. each leap we have as humanity becomes less and less impressive. creating language is massive compared to harnessing electricity. the high point of this era would probably be something like efficient spaceshuttles and self-sustainable colonies on other planets, or at least orbiting some.
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