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Pete really is the smuggest of all dickheads.

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Underleveled posted...

My hopes are not high for Winners at War anyway. Honestly, if I stay off of the internet and ignore the fans that are just going to ooh and aah over it for the cast alone (which is NOT my dream cast of winners by any means, mind you), it can probably do nothing but impress me unless some absolutely unforgivable shit goes down.

Yeah. A preview for an all-winners season that doesn't even let the only two-time winner (who happened to be relegated to a sidekick role for one-win-in-four-seasons Boston Rob in the season we JUST watched) speak tells me exactly what's in store for us. Buncha boring gamebottery, and our sixth male winner in a row.

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Underleveled posted...

Vis if nothing else you can say that your least favorite season remains, after 15 years, a season in which Boston Rob is in the entire season.

Boston Rob is in every episode of 3/4 of my bottom 4.

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Underleveled posted...

There's a LOT wrong with Samoa but it isn't boring. Certainly not the first time anyway.

Samoa is interesting for exactly three episodes: the merge, the final eleven, and the final ten. Prior to that, it's a severe Ulonging in which Foa Foa eliminates everyone with a personality that isn't Russell. AFTER those three episodes, we continue the LONGEST reverse Pagonging in the show's history. All of this is capped off by 100+ confessionals from Russell, talking about how amazing he is. It's not fun to watch.

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I know hating IotI enough to rank it last is a bit of a knee-jerk reaction, but I just...outside of Noura existing, there really aren't any positives solid enough to outweigh just how much of a failure I feel like this season was on all fronts.

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THE WORST OF THE WORST:
39. Island of the Idols
38. Redemption Island
37. Caramoan
36. All-Stars
35. Cambodia

OFFENSIVELY BORING:
34. Ghost Island
33. Cook Islands
32. Millennials vs. Gen X
31. One World

LEAVE AN EXTREMELY BAD TASTE IN THE MOUTH:
30. Thailand
29. Worlds Apart
28. South Pacific

BORING:
27. Australia
26. Tocantins
25. Africa
24. Samoa

PROBLEMATIC:
23. Blood vs. Water
22. Game Changers
21. Edge of Extinction
20. Palau
19. Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers
18. Micronesia

GOOD:
17. Amazon
16. Fiji
15. Exile Island
14. David vs. Goliath
13. Heroes vs. Villains
12. Nicaragua
11. Guatemala
10. Gabon

AMAZING:
9. Borneo
8. Cagayan
7. China
6. Philippines
5. Marquesas

THE BEST OF THE BEST:
4. San Juan Del Sur
3. Pearl Islands
2. Vanuatu
1. Kaoh Rong

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This is so fucking uncomfortable. Jeff is trying SO hard to cover the show's ass for how badly they fucked up.

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...whjy even bother giving Jamal money...if you're going to blatantly make it 85k less than you give to Janet and Elaine? Especially since...why give Jamal money and not Kellee?

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In the past five seasons:

Male Finalists: 10, Female Finalists: 5
Male Jury Votes to Win: 50, Female Jury Votes to Win: 2

*sigh*

And people wonder why I whine about gender politics on the show so much.

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I'm predicting 7-3-0, with Missy/Aaron/Elizabeth voting Dean.

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BakusaiTenketsu posted...

Honestly, Noura winning would be the best end to this shit season so that it solidifies it as the absolute worst season of all time.

Noura winning would automatically guarantee it can't be the worst season ever.

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The Survivor Gods hate this season as much as we do.

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Ugh.

Tommy is boring as fuck, but I hate that Dean is arguing that "having advantages is better than gameplay".

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As amazing as it would be...I just don't see Noura being the first woman in four seasons to receive a vote at the FTC...let alone WIN the FTC.

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As much as I hate how fucking boring Tommy is, he has played a fucking AMAZING game. He's right up there with Sarah for me if he wins.

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Going into this season, we had Marquesas and Micronesia as the only two seasons out of thirty-eight in which the female cast never fell into the minority.

This season lasted thirty-eight fucking days before snatching a potential third season from that list.

All so that, let's be honest, one of two twenty-something white guys can win Survivor again.

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For fuck's sake, Dean. Jesus. You don't need to undercut NOURA, here. Especially not by highlighting how smart Tommy is.

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Noura is so great.

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Artemis

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Underleveled posted...

Noura is a top 10 Survivor character

Let's not go that far.

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Noura putting Ryan Seacrest to fucking shame with this reveal.

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XDXDXD

Noura is wonderful.

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If Noura wins, I'll be both stunned and amazed and relatively overjoyed (it's still a shitty season though).

If she doesn't, as much as he sucks, I'm kinda rooting for Tommy, just so we get a winner that never won immunity and never held/used an advantage for the first time since Natalie fucking White.

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SmartMuffin posted...

obstructing congress is literally what Trump was elected to do

it should go on trucker hats as the new slogan for his 2020 campaign

And impeaching Trump is what got Democrats a House majority in 2018. They should've impeached him right then and there, but Nancy was too scared to piss off the voters. This meant that Donald's crimes in the Mueller Report got brushed under the rug, and he thought he was untouchable, leading to more crimes that forced an impeachment.

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I don't think it's possible to fuck up a season as much as this season has been fucked up.

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GTM posted...

too many advantages

but I appreciate that there was an actual path to it and not just a immediate in the red coconut or anything

This, yes. But then I think back to Angelina's idol hunt in DvG and there was just SO much more personality and emotion involved. Dean's just slightly douchey/cocky, and Tommy is bland as fuck.

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This twist is so fucking terrible, and it really has been all season.

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Even beyond Dan's bullshit, this segment is just another part of what made this season so bad.

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I have to imagine production insisted Sandra praise Rob. Because holy shit they have been pushing him as superior to her all goddamn season.

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Missed a huge opportunity to say "erected" instead of "put up".

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Underleveled posted...

Russell is currently claiming that Brandon was officially ejected from Caramoan and that the oral vote was staged for the camera. Corinne is backing him up.

I mean, I thought this was known.

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Gotta vote Tali.

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Tali

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Gotta go with Obrov.

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Mewtwo59 posted...

Kyoko was more of a Mary Sue than Nagito, tbh. It got to the point where they started writing her out of investigations just so Makoto had something to do.

They're both Mary Sues, I'll admit that, but at least Kyoko is a Mary Sue for gameplay purposes. Nagito is basically everything wrong with Kyoko (solving everything and knowing everything) without even the "Ultimate Detective" conceit, plus the added negative of being an obnoxious attention whore for most of the game.

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Hbthebattle posted...

Nagito is only a super major play in cases 1, 4, and 5. He especially has near-zero relevance in the endgame. The entire game does not revolve around Nagito.

He's major in case 3. So really, he's super important in 2/3 of the game.

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ZeldaTPLink posted...

I don't think you are using the same definition of Gary Stu as everyone else. That requires other characters to actually like him, to begin with.

Chiaki is arguably much closer to that.

That's not actually true. A Gary Stu doesn't need to be beloved. Otherwise there would be no such thing as a villain Gary Stu. No, the story of the entire game revolves around Nagito, and everyone caring about what Nagito is doing. It's the "Poochy" story.

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Nagito is quite literally the worst character in the entire franchise. He is a walking embodiment of a Gary Stu.

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Talirah

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Obrov!

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Dan Lembo is the only really GOOD Survivor Dan.

Dan Kay (RIP) and Dan Barry are pleasant, and Dan Rengering/GC have decent stories, but all the others suck.

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eaedwards6400 posted...

Doesn't that make him a dime store, Keith Nale? You know, without the loveable qualities?

Somewhat accurate.

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Mewtwo59 posted...

I don't know why you all don't like Dean. He's so hilariously stupid. If he was doing this stupid stuff to help the people you liked, you all would love him. Dan certainly deserved to go, but I'm going to be sad that we don't get to see Dean misplay the fake legacy advantage and get voted out next. It would've been a great Siska-like exit for him.

The thing with Siska is that, ultimately, his stupidity didn't hurt anyone but himself. Same with Drew Christy. Dean, meanwhile, has failed his way into the final 5, with a decent chance of making the final tribal council. Because of Dean, Karishma went out, Elaine went out, Chelsea went out, Kellee went out, and all of them were more interesting characters.

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Talirah

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Peridiam posted...

I think most people I've seen on social media - Twitter, Reddit, YouTube - already wrote Dan off the moment it happened. Not all, but a vast majority. Missy/Elizabeth were more debatable, it wasn't so night and day. Their situation was complicated for many. So the discussion revolved a hefty amount around their choice of actions instead of Dan's, who most saw as awful without the need to question.

It's great that everyone concurred that Dan is terrible, but when you shift the entire focus to "was everyone ELSE terrible?", even if consensus is against Dan, he kinda avoids the vitriol and blow back that the other players received.

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Underleveled posted...

Not to mitigate the fact that Dan didn't get enough shit, but Missy and Elizabeth deserved the shit they got. Aaron too. I don't remember Lauren getting shit for that episode (if she did she didn't deserve it) and you're way off base with Kellee, I think she got mostly love and support.

I'm not saying they didn't deserve shit. I'm saying that they received so much more shit for what they did than the creeper that was feeling up the female castaways. To the point where there were some people complaining that Dan was the victim of a smear campaign that could ruin his life and career, all because of the girls lying.

As for Kellee, once Missy/Elizabeth started taking shit, Kellee started getting dragged through the mud because "she was planning on voting Misy out for being a threat, instead of Dan".

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For the first player ever ejected from Survivor, I fucking LOVE how fucking soft the edit went on Dan. He got buried in the merge episode, and then one episode later, he's just a normal guy, playing the game. In fact, Missy/Elizabeth/Kellee/Lauren all took a fuckton of shit for the merge episode. MORE than Dan did. Fuck the producers and the editors for this shit.

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I can't even be happy about this.

He outlasted almost every decent character before they finally pulled the fucking plug.

Fuck this shit.

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It's amazing how Lauren and Janet can both talk about booting Noura to eliminate a goat at the endgame, yet Janet comes across as genuine, while Lauren talks about "making moves" and "resumes".

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You know what awful thought I just had?

What if this episode is just building Dean up as a credible threat, so Tommy doesn't look so obvious when his all-male final three is realized?

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