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TopicThe graphics in the original Link's Awakening > the graphics in the remake
scar the 1
06/12/19 10:58:48 AM
#3
I think the new style is fine tbh. From the looks of it, though, I want the remake to play more differently, or I see little reason to not just stick with the original.
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TopicC/D Final Fantasy VIII needs the remaster treatment more than VII does.
scar the 1
06/12/19 10:36:00 AM
#36
Pancake posted...
it's been a little while for me so i don't think i can accurately comment on how well the game tells the player that magic refinement abilities exist, but if it's just that classroom terminal i dunno. i generally try not to blame this sort of thing on the player because i mean they could've had like -- selphie or zell try to mess around with it and ask you how it works. yo uh squall i heard there was a better way to get magic than four at a time from these caterchipillars. or maybe have a lower-level character get pissed at squall when he keeps drawing ten and they only get four so he explains the work-around from what he remembers from the terminal (if you haven't visited it).

I have no idea if it's in a classroom terminal. AFAIK there's no explicit mention/tutorial about it.
Should there be, though? IMO the problem is more fundamental. In a game like this, menuing is part of the gameplay. As a player, I enjoy scanning the list of abilities of a newly acquired GF. And I have to visit that page a lot, since I need to personally decide which ability I want to learn next. I realize not everyone enjoys this, but the fact is this kind of strategizing and planning character growth etc is - and has always been - part of the FF gameplay experience.

With that in mind, I don't think that the issue is "the game didn't communicate refinement options well enough", I rather think it's that the game didn't stimulate the player's curiosity enough. Part of that is of course how it's communicated, but part of it is how many abilities are there, how impactful are they, how often do you get access to new ones, etc. The player should naturally end up solving the issue of tedious drawing by refining cards into items and items into magic. It's a much more rewarding experience to figure that out yourself than to be told to do it, but it just wasn't interesting enough to figure it out!
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TopicC/D Final Fantasy VIII needs the remaster treatment more than VII does.
scar the 1
06/12/19 9:54:39 AM
#33
Pancake posted...
If you say that hammers suck based on your attempts to use them as saws, then I wouldn't say your hurting the case for hammers.

the problem with this analogy is that the carpenter is encouraged to apply saw to nails. they are sat in a room with nails, wood, and a saw. the hammer is hidden in a secret compartment that a carpenter would only know about the second time they take this weird ass test.

That's a legitimate complaint! I agree that the system is a little opaque. But I wouldn't go so far as to say "hidden in a secret compartment".
The different conversion and refinement abilities are right there in each GF's list. I don't think it's unreasonable to explore what abilities a GF can learn, and I don't think it requires a genius to conclude that "huh, I can use this ability to get magic!", especially if you've already found the drawing mechanic to be tedious.

Look, I think there are tons of legitimate complaints about FFVIII's magic system. It's poorly balanced, it's cumbersome because you have to redo the spec tons of times, it's poorly communicated, etc. "Drawing is tedious" just indicates to me that the player didn't pay attention. Who's to blame? Both the player and the design, imo.
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TopicC/D Final Fantasy VIII needs the remaster treatment more than VII does.
scar the 1
06/12/19 6:48:46 AM
#30
Unknown5uspect posted...
scar the 1 posted...
pauIie posted...
scar the 1 posted...
The_Scarecrow posted...
I'm actually waiting on this FF VIII remaster to try the game out. Is it that bad?

I enjoyed it, but it has some glaring issues. The biggest imo is a weird twist in the story. Many who complain about the Draw system don't know how to use it properly. But if you do, you risk being super OP.
Oh and leveling up makes things harder because enemies scale with you.


does knowing the draw system well make the act of drawing fun?

Essentially if used properly, the only things you should draw from enemies are summons. With very few exceptions, like e.g., Diablos

That really isn't helping Draw's case, though.

If you say that hammers suck based on your attempts to use them as saws, then I wouldn't say your hurting the case for hammers.
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TopicC/D Final Fantasy VIII needs the remaster treatment more than VII does.
scar the 1
06/12/19 1:47:16 AM
#22
pauIie posted...
scar the 1 posted...
The_Scarecrow posted...
I'm actually waiting on this FF VIII remaster to try the game out. Is it that bad?

I enjoyed it, but it has some glaring issues. The biggest imo is a weird twist in the story. Many who complain about the Draw system don't know how to use it properly. But if you do, you risk being super OP.
Oh and leveling up makes things harder because enemies scale with you.


does knowing the draw system well make the act of drawing fun?

Essentially if used properly, the only things you should draw from enemies are summons. With very few exceptions, like e.g., Diablos
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TopicDid you ever have penpals in other countries?
scar the 1
06/12/19 1:45:05 AM
#10
When I grew up some of my older cousins lived in Cleveland and later Akron. I penpalled with them a bit
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TopicC/D Final Fantasy VIII needs the remaster treatment more than VII does.
scar the 1
06/12/19 1:40:40 AM
#18
The_Scarecrow posted...
I'm actually waiting on this FF VIII remaster to try the game out. Is it that bad?

I enjoyed it, but it has some glaring issues. The biggest imo is a weird twist in the story. Many who complain about the Draw system don't know how to use it properly. But if you do, you risk being super OP.
Oh and leveling up makes things harder because enemies scale with you.
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TopicC/D Final Fantasy VIII needs the remaster treatment more than VII does.
scar the 1
06/12/19 1:08:58 AM
#12
So essentially you just want a new game that isn't in any way related to FF VIII
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TopicBreath of the Wild sequel!
scar the 1
06/12/19 1:07:04 AM
#37
WrestlinFan posted...
Solid Sonic posted...
What I would really appreciate is a game that doesn't use BotW as a template and instead tries to go a more traditional route because in my book BotW's structure was a failed experiment.

Based on what I've seen thus far, that is not going to be the case, so hmph.

Failed experiment how?

Personally I wouldn't call it an entirely failed experience, but partly. The non linearity was great, the open world really felt good. I just want proper dungeons, and a more present character gallery. Oh and reasonable tweaks to breakable weapons system
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TopicThe "Mandela Effect" about Darth Vader's line makes me mad.
scar the 1
06/12/19 1:02:17 AM
#30
As a sub point, it's also weird how people think the emphasis lies on "am". As we can hear in the clip above, it's not "I am your father", it's "I am your father".
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TopicAre you disappointed with the size of Tifa's boobs?
scar the 1
06/12/19 12:52:49 AM
#27
NeonOctopus posted...
normal well-adjusted adults

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TopicFF7 should have Aeris/Aerith modes
scar the 1
06/11/19 9:53:36 AM
#23
this is so lazy yet successful
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TopicAre you disappointed with the size of Tifa's boobs?
scar the 1
06/11/19 7:27:35 AM
#3
NeonOctopus posted...
Some angles they look smaller, and others they look big.

You mean just like every physical object ever? What a thought
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TopicJoe Biden really believes this shit, huh?
scar the 1
06/11/19 7:25:50 AM
#6
He doesn't believe it. A very generous interpretation is that he's putting pressure on republicans by planting this expectation with voters. A more realistic one is that he looks to get votes by being willing to compromise
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TopicCan we finally admit they're censoring womanly figures?
scar the 1
06/11/19 1:43:06 AM
#83
I don't care what anyone says, this is a copy pasta
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Topicchansey with toxic softboiled double team & protect
scar the 1
06/10/19 8:30:40 AM
#3
I really like Jolteon with Bite, Attract, Thunder Wave and Thunderbolt/HP Ice/HP Grass. It can be terribly frustrating in gen 2
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Topictifa or aerith
scar the 1
06/07/19 1:42:49 PM
#6
UnfairRepresent posted...
(which I am sure will be out of the remake)

What
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Topicthe UK's first meat free butchers is opening
scar the 1
06/07/19 12:59:49 PM
#66
EnragedSlith posted...
Meat substitutes are gross. Calling it a butcher is fucking stupid. Just eat vegetables and sodium laden soy loaves (aka meat-free meat) like a non-obnoxious person.

Yeah you don't sound obnoxious at all
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Topicthe UK's first meat free butchers is opening
scar the 1
06/07/19 9:30:51 AM
#55
Grischnak posted...
The quote I quoted is literally from that same dictionary. Mining does not just have one definition.

When I look up mining I get this:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mining
the process or business of working mines
Then it also lists some other definitions:

English Language Learners Definition of mining

: the process or business of digging in mines to obtain minerals, metals, jewels, etc.

Kids Definition of mining

: the process or business of digging in mines to obtain minerals


Not sure why you're focusing on this, though, I provided plenty of other examples that illustrates the point quite well: What something means varies with context, and as new contexts emerge, we tend to re-use familiar language if its applicable. This is no different.

I don't know why you're so deadset to argue that this particular instance of a very common phenomenon is silly but sure
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Topicthe UK's first meat free butchers is opening
scar the 1
06/07/19 7:43:41 AM
#49
Grischnak posted...
Ehh? Data mining? Mining = "delve into (an abundant source) to extract something of value, especially information or skill.". Data mining as a term makes perfect sense. Farming is just slang. There isn't anything wrong with slang. This isn't slang though. Calling people who sell vegan meats butchers is not some popular thing people say. I've literally never seen it before this topic and I'm 99.999% sure it's not because my experience is limited. People simply do not say that. This isn't a thing. It's just a marketing stunt. As we already agreed.

People didn't say data mining before someone coined it. Merriam-Webster describes mining as the process or business of working a mine, similar to how it describes butcher as someone who does any combination of slaughter, dressing meat or selling it. Analogously, the words "mining" and "butcher" take on a more general meaning when you put the respective descriptors "data" and "meat-free" in front of them. The reason you haven't seen this before is because it's recent. Similarly, machine learning is not actually learning in a psychological or pedagogical sense, AI has very little to do with actual intelligence, proving things colloquially is entirely different from logical proofs, and so on.

And most of all, the word "butcher" in this context is actually very descriptive, since it specifies exactly what kind of vegan foods you'll expect to find there.
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Topic56% of all gamers are male
scar the 1
06/07/19 2:24:40 AM
#153
DevsBro posted...
DevsBro posted...
Maybe the percentsge is lower than we expect not because chicks play incognito but because dudes aren't real gamers.

Show of hands, who here has played at least one Call of Duty game, missed at least one E3, waited for a price drop or not owned every major system for a given generation?

Maybe they don't count Candy Crushers but they also don't count people who think an easy mode would be a nice addition to Dark Souls.

Well I thought it was funny. >:|

I did too but I couldn't come up with a good response
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Topic56% of all gamers are male
scar the 1
06/07/19 2:24:02 AM
#152
Rika_Furude posted...
I doubt many women play square enix games either. Ive only met one irl who played ff7. Its always the sims or some facebook game or mobile game

Do you think your girl acquaintances are representative of girl gamers as a group?
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Topicthe UK's first meat free butchers is opening
scar the 1
06/07/19 2:19:22 AM
#39
Grischnak posted...
Not really. I've never met anyone classified as a butcher who didn't actually, you know, butcher meat and I work with meat so I kind of meet a lot of those people. Hell, using your definition I am in fact a "butcher", but....I'm not. I'd never refer to myself as that because it would be a lie and actual butchers would laugh at me if I claimed something like that.

Nothing of what you said contradicts what I said. Do you also object to the term data mining because it's not actual mining in a mine? Or farming in video games because it's not actually tending a farm? Words take on broader meanings in different contexts. When it's a store/department that specifically deals with products mimicking those in a butcher shop, guess which word is descriptive? Butcher.
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Topicthe UK's first meat free butchers is opening
scar the 1
06/06/19 2:46:52 PM
#35
Grischnak posted...
You don't need to invent a word. All sorts of stores sell vegan meat and don't classify their employees as butchers. It's just a marketing stunt.

Of course it is, but it's also a descriptive category.
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TopicCollege professor claims dodgeball is a "tool of oppression"
scar the 1
06/06/19 2:17:50 PM
#74
Gah, angry layman on the internet having opinions on sociology, round #4873219421876, go
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TopicAs someone who hates most anime, here is my list of ones you should watch.
scar the 1
06/06/19 1:22:02 PM
#83
Nidhoggr posted...
Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
Nidhoggr posted...
Razuberii posted...
Torrific posted...
darkmaian23 posted...
@Torrific posted...
Hunter x Hunter and Boku no Hero are terrible.

Which arc were you on when you dropped it? If you dropped it right after the Hunter Exam, you should know that the second arc is complete ass. It continues being good after that.


I actually like the Exam and Greed Island arcs. I thought the Yorknew arc was passably entertaining. What I hated, with a passion, was the Chimera Ant arc. Bad pacing, ridiculous powers that make no logical sense (Leo with his ipod and the dart board among many others almost made me ragequit), commentator won't shut up, characters constantly engage in overthinking and second-guessing (I love the mind games in Death Note and Kaiji but it was way overkill in HxH --- characters having 5 minute internal monologues deciding whether to take a shit). And most of the fights were bad (because of the stupid ant powers). Meruem vs. Netero was one of the best anime fights I've ever seen though, but nowhere enough to make up for all the other mediocre bits. Sorry for thrashing HxH, since you are most likely a fan. I acknowledge that I'm in the 0.00001% minority that hates the arc to this degree and my opinion really doesn't matter.

lol terrible opinion

I actually agree with him. The chimera ant arc went fucking balls to the wall with narration. It got a little ridiculous


Chimera Ant Arc was also the only time I ever felt emotionally connected to anything going on, at all.

I felt like they were trying to stretch out the episodes because they ran out of manga to follow. Also I dont think Gon had proper motivation for how crazy he went. He knew that guy for like a day.

Gon knew Kite since childhood
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Topicthe UK's first meat free butchers is opening
scar the 1
06/06/19 1:21:12 PM
#31
Machete posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
Machete posted...
Shouldn't it be called something else?

What specifically?


I honestly don't know but a meat-free butcher isn't exactly butchering stuff per se, so the term seems like a misnomer.

Wikipedia says that Merriam-Webster says:
A butcher is a person who may slaughter animals, dress their flesh, sell their meat, or participate within any combination of these three tasks.
It's true that a meat-free butcher can't really slaughter anyone, or dress the flesh, but if you can be a butcher just by selling meat, then it makes sense that you're a meat-free butcher if you sell substitutes that is supposed to taste like meat. Why invent a new word for it when it's such a related category?
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TopicIs it worth learning japanese just to play untranslated games
scar the 1
06/06/19 1:11:37 PM
#49
YonicBoom posted...
TBH I'm more afraid of the notion of learning Spanish or French, "easy" languages, on the basis of

- verbs appear to be a nightmare
- pronunciation

I don't doubt that they're probably easy ish to learn, but there's no escaping the pure time factor. Someone who puts forth some hours of effort every day and exposes themselves to a language continuously will eventually learn it.

The problem is that most people never make it to the part where you can sink those hours without even realizing it. Some of the best days you learn, you won't even notice because you'll just be cruising along. It won't even feel like effort, and if it does, it won't be because of the language, but because you're just getting tired of doing x or y thing.

In my experience, spending a significant amount of time on actually figuring out the rules of pronunciation and spelling really really helps down the road. For what it's worth. And another thing when it comes to roman languages in general: Once you learn verb conjugations of one language, the other languages will be easier to pick up, since they are quite similar to each other.
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TopicAs someone who hates most anime, here is my list of ones you should watch.
scar the 1
06/06/19 10:45:23 AM
#47
Nidhoggr posted...
That definitely never happened and you're just determined to hate on it.

Uhh it definitely did? Not to mention all the groping he's doing
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Topic*Starts a new RPG* You need to pick your stats, talents, perks, specialisations
scar the 1
06/06/19 10:44:06 AM
#24
dave_is_slick posted...
That's his thing.

Why do you think I chose my sig?
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TopicAs someone who hates most anime, here is my list of ones you should watch.
scar the 1
06/06/19 10:18:24 AM
#38
Great response to the criticism
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TopicAs someone who hates most anime, here is my list of ones you should watch.
scar the 1
06/06/19 10:06:52 AM
#34
Nidhoggr posted...
I don't recall a harem in Code Geass. I remember maybe 2 at most girls in love with Lelouch.

I remember three super obvious candidates, then some debatable ones. To me the harem dimension was quite clear, just not center stage.
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TopicIs it worth learning japanese just to play untranslated games
scar the 1
06/06/19 10:02:05 AM
#46
Ok it's good we took a step back then. My point is that "how easy a language is to learn" varies with a lot of factors, not just prior knowledge. And when I talk about difficulty, I talk about perceived difficulty, not about how many hours people on average spend before they reach a certain level.

And I'm specifically not talking about averages, evident by the fact that I started out by saying that it varies.
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TopicAs someone who hates most anime, here is my list of ones you should watch.
scar the 1
06/06/19 9:58:07 AM
#31
Nidhoggr posted...
Any anime that has a harem of females all madly in love with a limp dick main character is fucking garbage imo. Sword Art Online is a good example. Why do we need every single fucking female to be in love with Kirito?

So that right there eliminates 99% of animes for me.

...he said, confidently putting Code Geass on the list
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TopicAs someone who hates most anime, here is my list of ones you should watch.
scar the 1
06/06/19 9:53:34 AM
#29
Lmao you don't hate anime, that list is full of stock standard shonen pulp
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TopicCollege professor claims dodgeball is a "tool of oppression"
scar the 1
06/06/19 9:49:56 AM
#14
It does seem reasonable to think about how school interacts with bullying
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Topic*Starts a new RPG* You need to pick your stats, talents, perks, specialisations
scar the 1
06/06/19 9:46:53 AM
#21
UnfairRepresent posted...
Aristoph posted...

Nah, you already got me to post in this topic the first time despite knowing I shouldn't bother. You're not getting me again.

"I have no argument so I will insult you and run away"

Yeah figured so

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TopicIs it worth learning japanese just to play untranslated games
scar the 1
06/06/19 9:27:29 AM
#44
ssjevot posted...
If you are using TCs situation as an example why are we talking about other languages? He wants to learn Japanese. Some dude just randomly claimed German was harder. This is a side discussion. TC doesn't want to learn German as far as I know.

Do you understand what my point is?
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Topicthe UK's first meat free butchers is opening
scar the 1
06/06/19 8:22:55 AM
#23
specialkid8 posted...
Can't wait for the grain free bakery.

There are plenty of grain-free bread recipes
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TopicPotential Sword and Shield leaks
scar the 1
06/06/19 8:11:45 AM
#35
Whatever else is there, I just want "Alolan" forms of existing Pokmon, that was the best part about Sun/Moon.
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Topicthe UK's first meat free butchers is opening
scar the 1
06/06/19 8:06:55 AM
#19
Parappa09 posted...
scar the 1 posted...
Parappa09 posted...
scar the 1 posted...
Is East London bad? I stayed near that West Ham arena once.

some parts of east london are terrible. i grew up there.

im surprised you stayed near the stadium - thats pretty much one of the most deprived areas in the whole of the UK

was it the hostel near the pub on the corner?

It wasn't a hostel, it was a hotel. Sadly I don't remember exactly where, but it was kind of in between the West Ham station and the once before. Quite a wide, straight road, to get to West Ham stadium/station we went left on it from the hotel, then left again after a while. Lots of car repair shops.

ahhh right, i thought you meant by upton park station where west ham stadium was at

where you stay isnt too bad actually, its not the best but definitely not the worst

It's right before they moved to the new stadium. And now that I'm looking closer, you're actually right. It was between Upton Park and Plaistow. I remember because we had no idea how Plaistow was supposed to be pronounced before we got there (and my friends never learned because they didn't listen in the tube announcements). IIRC our hotel was on the A124. But it's some years ago now so I'm not sure.

EDIT: Yup, I found it, it's the Excel hotel on the A124 (Barking road?). It's a really shitty hotel but the area seemed very like, good-bad. So I wasn't sure if your East London comment was more about hipsters or trashy area or something else
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Topic*Starts a new RPG* You need to pick your stats, talents, perks, specialisations
scar the 1
06/06/19 8:03:25 AM
#10
sauceje posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
But what does any of this mean? What's the difference between Dexterity and Finesse? What's a good build for this game? Does strength effect carrying capacity? Is there carrying capacity? There are like 7 different types of spellcasters or equiviant. Whats the difference between them?

Games will almost always tell you all of this. If the particular game you're talking about doesn't, then it probably sucks.

Games will certainly tell you this, often in lazy ways, and often all at once. Like, at the start you get hover text for every stat and that's it. That doesn't really help you a lot;

- It's quite common that it's a big wall of info that can be overwhelming
- Even if you're an experienced gamer and know the difference between different stats from convention, you don't know how this particular game has balanced them. Is charisma going to be a really important stat for a lot of skills, or is it a dump stat? Is this skill line that seems really cool in the beginning actually worth putting specing around, or will it suck later? etc
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TopicIs it worth learning japanese just to play untranslated games
scar the 1
06/06/19 7:57:51 AM
#40
ssjevot posted...
scar the 1 posted...
So again, no, prior knowledge isn't the only determinant when it comes to learning a new thing. That's what I'm saying, and that's what you contradicted. I don't care if Japanese takes longer to learn than German in the US State Department, TC is Australian. For all I know, their proximity to Japan might mean that it's easier to find good classes, or practical uses, for the language, which would make things a lot easier.


It won't. Most foreigners who live in Japan never even learn the language beyond a few phrases. You describe a lot of access to resources as a form of ease in your post. But that's not what is being used in those calculations. If you move to Japan and spend all your time talking to people, watching Japanese TV, reading, etc. that is a form of studying called immersion. It's not a separate thing from studying. So you are arguing about the most effective study methods and ability to access them rather than difficulty. When people talk about difficulty to learn a language compared to another they assume equal access to resources. That's why the FSI doesn't list a bunch of random stuff about blank being easier if you happen to have access to X or Y resources. They provide native speakers and materials designed to teach you a language quickly and effectively. It's their entire purpose.

...I know? But TC doesn't work at the US State Department. For him, there won't be this ideal situation. Access to immersive environments makes a language a lot easier to learn. Not just because you can spend more time learning with an efficient method, but also because it adds motivation to the student. That's quite crucial for someone learning a language on their own. I mean yeah, if you want to equate "difficulty" with "number of hours spent", then fine. I'm not talking about that, though, because there are more factors at play when you're teaching yourself a language.

For example, how much use will you have for the language, and how soon? If you're into a specific video game, you can start playing and enjoying it quite soon while learning at the same time. This will affect how quickly you pick up a language, since it'll affect how willing you are to spend time learning. If you're likely to put off learning because you have no immediate use for the skill, then the difficulty will be perceived as higher. Making sweeping statements about which thing is harder to learn is not exactly useful, or accurate. Difficulty is something subjective, and is not reliably quantified by how many hours it takes to reach some arbitrary level of skill.
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Topic*Starts a new RPG* You need to pick your stats, talents, perks, specialisations
scar the 1
06/06/19 7:23:33 AM
#8
I actually agree with this. It's one of the reasons I'm turned off by wRPGs like this. I'm given tons of options in the beginning in what to spec, very little guidance about what is good, and limited to no options to re-spec later if I make bad choices. So I have to do tons of research right away just to be able to play the game. Some games do it better than others, but it is common.
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TopicIs it worth learning japanese just to play untranslated games
scar the 1
06/06/19 7:14:12 AM
#36
ssjevot posted...
Your conjecture doesn't really count for data. You are making a lot of assumptions based on nothing but your own ideas there and then also throwing in individual situations that don't mean anything for trying to figure out average difficulty. Environment matters for learning everything, that doesn't say anything about the average difficulty of learning a given language. Japanese grammar is for instance not notoriously easy. If you aren't Korean it's the opposite. And I know some German, grammar was never a problem with it for me. Not even close to as hard as Japanese is. The only difficult aspect of German grammar for English speakers would be gender, but you learn it along with words and as shown earlier you could learn German twice in less time than it would take to learn Japanese once, so clearly it isn't a hangup for the average English speaker.

I didn't say Japanese grammar was easy, I said it was simple. Which it is. Sure, it's not so simple as, say, Chinese, but still. Although I'm willing to give up this point, because it's quite messy to try and quantify a language's grammatical complexity. It's not really a path we'd get anywhere pursuing. I think what I referred to being notoriously simple was Japanese verb conjugations, since those are a lot simpler than the German ones.

It's really telling that you're saying I'm making assumptions with no data, after providing just your own opinion and numbers on staff of the US State Department. Those don't really contradict what I'm saying (though I'd be happy to see more studies if you have them off the top of your head, it's an interesting topic).

What I'm saying is that which language is easier to learn depends on a lot of things. I agree that the languages you already know is a big factor. That's also true for whatever you want to learn, your previous knowledge is the biggest factor in how easy it is to learn something new. Still, there are differences in how individuals think, and in the structures they use to digest information. You call this an assumption of mine. Part of my job is teaching, so I experience this firsthand all the time. Students need different explanations to make things click. Some students have better memory, which significantly lowers hurdles like vocabulary. Some students really take to rules, which lowers grammar-related hurdles.

So again, no, prior knowledge isn't the only determinant when it comes to learning a new thing. That's what I'm saying, and that's what you contradicted. I don't care if Japanese takes longer to learn than German in the US State Department, TC is Australian. For all I know, their proximity to Japan might mean that it's easier to find good classes, or practical uses, for the language, which would make things a lot easier.
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TopicIs it worth learning japanese just to play untranslated games
scar the 1
06/06/19 6:42:23 AM
#33
ssjevot posted...
Just your native language.

No, not just your native language. That's naturally a big factor, but there's more. For example, how easy you think grammar and grammatical rules are to pick up. Different languages are differently complex in this regard, and German is notorious for really tricky and complicated grammar. Japanese is famous for quite simple grammar.
Another thing would be reading skills. If a language is tricky to spell it can be a bit of a barrier. Likewise, picking up new alphabets is easier to some than to others. And there is some fascinating research about how dyslexia in kanji and in the Latin alphabet are actually two different phenomena in the brain, implying that a dyslexic in English might struggle less with reading kanji.
There's a big factor that is environment. I've been picking up a lot of Portuguese over the last couple of years because i hang out with a bunch of Brazilians. I have German co-workers, but no Japanese ones. My situation would make it easier to pick up German, but in Japan I'd be much better positioned to learn Japanese.

And so on. A lot will be affected by the languages you already know. A lot won't.
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TopicIs it worth learning japanese just to play untranslated games
scar the 1
06/06/19 5:49:15 AM
#30
HunkDude posted...
lmao gtfo here german language is harder than japanese one

That really depends on a lot of circumstances.
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TopicIs it worth learning japanese just to play untranslated games
scar the 1
06/06/19 5:04:07 AM
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_Rinku_ posted...
Everyone just wants to spare TC the frustration of "wasting" his time in the unlikely pursuit of becoming essentially fluent.

Nope. People here aren't that considerate, especially of Rika (sorry buddy no offense). A lot of people here, though, don't really value a second language at all.
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Topicthe UK's first meat free butchers is opening
scar the 1
06/06/19 5:01:48 AM
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Parappa09 posted...
scar the 1 posted...
Is East London bad? I stayed near that West Ham arena once.

some parts of east london are terrible. i grew up there.

im surprised you stayed near the stadium - thats pretty much one of the most deprived areas in the whole of the UK

was it the hostel near the pub on the corner?

It wasn't a hostel, it was a hotel. Sadly I don't remember exactly where, but it was kind of in between the West Ham station and the once before. Quite a wide, straight road, to get to West Ham stadium/station we went left on it from the hotel, then left again after a while. Lots of car repair shops.
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Topicthe UK's first meat free butchers is opening
scar the 1
06/06/19 4:14:14 AM
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Is East London bad? I stayed near that West Ham arena once.
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