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UltimaterializerX posted...

Ugh, secret paladin. Granted, knowing what I know now the deck wasn't too bad I guess.

Secret Paladin was just good at the time. The moment Mean Streets of Gadgetzan came out it just got powercreeped out of existance.

I know, cause I tried playing secret paladin in wild after MSoG came out, and lost to stuff that wasn't even meta in standard at the time like handbuff paladin.

Secret Paladin's whole thing was that you got to play Dr Boom, Tirion which is like a second Dr Boom, and then Mysterious Challenger which were like two more Dr Booms. That's like four Dr Booms in one deck (!!!) So much lategame (!!!)

And then Jades came out and were like "hey what if we let players have an unlimited number of 7/7s?" And Secret Paladin was like "WTF, I only have four of those :( :( :("
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I have like two golden heroes I think.

Shaman, which makes a lot of sense. Enjoyed the class since launch. Played a decent amount during the shamanstone era (post-nerf at least; I wasn't into the hyper aggro face version, but I was totally into the slower inspire version with Thunder Bluff Valiant). Didn't have a golden portrait from this, but it probably got me half way there.

But then Witchwood came out and I...immediately started innovating with Even Shaman in wild. There were no netdecks for it at the time, I think I might have been legit one of the first innovators, so I had like...Nerubian Eggs and Haunted creepers with Dire Wolf Alphas and Flametongue totems to activate them. Obviously pretty different than the list people ended up with, but was still a good enough deck to climb to like rank 3 or something.

Simultaneously, I didn't have a standard deck, heard Shudderwock Shaman was a really high skill deck, started watching streamers to get a feel of the deck, put together a version and...lost for about 10 games before I fully got my head around it, then took that deck to legend cause I had a lucky streak and had not hit legend before.

So...all of those together got me one class to 500 wins early last year. (Currently at 766 on Shaman)

Towards the end of last year I also got hunter to 500 wins. I don't think I actually had a single meta Hunter deck during that time, but like...I did really enjoy Deathstalker Rexxar, and kept homebrewing decks to put him in right from the launch of TFT. My hunter decks were all memes, and most of them ran Primordial Drake and The Lich King, but they were memes that could still get wins in the rank 5-3 range. Currently at 523 on Hunter.

Pretty close on Warlock (488)--makes sense, there's often a zoo deck, and while it's usually not my favourite deck, I usually have it built. Also been playing a lot of Even Warlock in wild lately.

Pretty close on Paladin (467)--I played a decent amount of Secret Paladin back in the day, and still have the deck around so that even if I don't have a standard Paladin deck I can complete quests in wild. Also messed around with Kagnor's Endless Army a bunch last year, and seem to have a fetish for Even decks cause I played a bunch of Even Paladin too.

Surprisingly not that close on Mage (377) and Druid (351). Certainly classes I've played since beta and where I keep around 1-2 wild decks at all times. I've even played a bunch of wild Even Mage lately.

Closer than I thought on Rogue (423). I actually don't even know where those Rogue wins are coming from. I guess I had a huge thing for Unearthed Raptor, to the point that the first Wild deck I ever built was a homebrew Unearthed Raptor Nerubian Egg deck which I literally still haven't deleted, but like...I actually can't think of a time where I played a Rogue meta deck for more than a few games here and there. I suppose super early in the game I...correctly identified Rogue as having a really strong hero power, and absolutely loved shadowstepping Defias Ringleader so there's that. I remember doing that when Patron Warrior was a thing, and it fucking sucked cause you couldn't play 2 attack minions in that meta or you literally gifted them free patrons. I also remember trying to make mech Rogue a thing. And I built Dane Rogue in Wild (The Kobold Illusionist Silver Vanguard Kel'Thuzad deck). OK, I guess I've played a lot of bad Rogue decks.

Priest is at 171. Yeahhhh...I did not have Anduin, or Psychic Scream, and being F2P kept on being wishy washy about crafting them (literally could not try out the decks they were in cause they're so core). Also never opened Kazakus. Guess what format also requires all or most of those cards to play Priest? Wild! But hey, I did have an Even Priest deck for a hot minute, so there's that.

Warrior 130. Literally never open Warrior cards. Fucking 0 shield slams and 1 brawl after 5 years. Still no Grommash. (Also no Boom). F2P life.
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Oh yeah, did go back and get a clear with the final class in tavern brawl (Mr Chu).

God he sucks. Mostly 9 drops, with a few shield blocks, dr boom's scheme, brawl type cards, but an awful hero power for that kind of deck (a weaker version of Even Hunter's hero power WTF. Like...I would much rather vanilla armour up for this kind of deck).

Took like 7 tries, I had to queue into Russel the Bard to win. (Which...I think Russel the Bard is severely underrated; won first try with that character. Cabal Shadowpriest as a hero power is fantastic. But Cabal Shadowpriest is a weak hero power when your opponent has literally no minions *taps forehead*).
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My Muzzy pack (singular) didn't get me shit. (3 commons 2 rares).

Not sure yet how I feel about single player in terms of purchasing it. Like...I did gladly paid full price for Slay the Spire, and it does look like they are trying to imitate that game. Unlocking new hero powers by doing multiple runs, having shops where you can pay them to remove a card from your deck or buy a card from them. This is all sounds very Slay the Spire-esque.

On the other hand, it's still going to use a hearthstone shell--Slay the Spire enemies would announce their attacks and you'd respond to them. Single playre hearthstone the enemy has cards that are hidden from you and an AI that feels unpredictable. Slay the Spire you retain damage between combats, so small mistakes even if you win add up. Hearthstone, if you win, it doesn't matter. I'm not sure if they can capture what makes Slay the Spire such a good game just by having a bunch of unlockables and having the actual gameplay taking the hearthstone shell which is designed more for multiplayer.
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I've been playing the brawl and trying out 8/9 of them so far. Usually winning on the first, sometimes the second try with each, so I think the balance is better than people give it credit for (still have to do the weird warrior one, though).

Camden posted...

but you can't play as three of the classes because four of the nine decks are Rogue.

I mean, from what I remember some of these decks had cards from two different classes in them, and only one of the rogues actually has a weapon so like...it's really not a big deal that they are "technically" rogues. (There's definitely a few that I've won with where I'm not actually sure what class it was supposed to be).
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red sox 777 posted...

Net is massively in favor of Dems.

I just checked. California is not even in the top 10 bluest states. (Texas also isn't in the top 10 reddest states, if you're curious).

https://www.politico.com/gallery/10-bluest-reddest-states?slide=0

Though regardless, I see no reason to exclude California. It's not geographically isolated like Hawaii or Alaska. It's not ideologically isolated; nearby states have similar politics to the areas of California that they border. It's not religiously isolated like Utah. It has an outsized influence on culture including political culture (on both the left and on the right--Ann Coulter and Ben Shapiro and Tomi Lahren all live in or moved to LA last I checked).
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Tempostorm's wild meta snapshot recommends Hench Clan Hogsteed in wild Even Warlock.

I tried it out (two instead of one, cause testing) and yeah, so far I'm actually really liking it. Extra removal and early plays against the aggro decks that kill you super fast. Something you can play while playing around mass hysteria that literally every Priest seems to have on turn 5.

Meanwhile, that Japanese player with the wild corpsetaker walking fountain even shaman is back with another variant running Eureka now (instead of Earthen Might). Probably a good change, since the deck runs four 8-cost minions (mostly to activate corpsetaker) but games are often decided before turn 8. Whereas Earthen Might--the only elementals in the deck are the 8 cost minions, so it was literally a +2/+2 (which can still be fine on a corpsetaker or a healing totem, but it was probably the lowest impact card in the deck).
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A few things I learned from streams this weekend:

People are putting Wisp into Rogue (combo activator)

People are putting Giggling Inventor into Rogue (synergizes with Shadow Step, Waggle Pick, and Witchy Lacky)

Apparently warriors in high legend are basically all Mech'a'thun Warriors

A stupid deck that Dog made to entertain his stream might actually be good (Mech'a'thun Shaman with Jepetto, double giggling inventor, Shudderwock. Uses Voodoo Doll+Zap to activate the combo, plays around Unseen Saboteur by holding double zap. Wins faster than Mech'a'thun Warrior thanks to Spirit of the Frog).
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I think I've said this before, but Hearthstone is not good as a "sit at your PC and play this for 8 hours game". It is, however, basically the best mobile game that I've found, which is why I'm probably playing it more now than I was when it first launched. (And I play a few different mobile games; for a while Fire Emblem Heroes unseated it for top spot, but lately FEH is just a lot of grind to me). It's also a pretty good streaming game, because it gives you lots of time to talk to your audience.

But for professional Hearthstone streamers and pro tournament players...yeah, their job becomes "sit at your PC and play Hearthstone for 8 hours", which as I've said above is a pretty meh experience.

I don't know that they necessarily should be focusing on improving the 8-hour PC experience either. I remember being pretty frustrated at Hearthstone a couple years ago when I frequently couldn't complete daily quests on mobile during breaks from work, cause stuff like "win 5 games with warrior" just was not happening on mobile during half hour work shift breaks. (Obviously these quests were designed when Hearthstone was just a PC game). Stuff that would make Hearthstone feel more gratifying for people who play it for hours is stuff that would probably feel frustrating to mobile users. IDK, doesn't seem like an easy problem to solve.
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KokoroAkechi posted...

Rogue has had a tier one or high tier 2 deck in just about every single meta I can think of. Like look at the world champion brawl we just had, Rogue is the only class all four (+1 from Hunterace) champions brought (Gadget Miracle, Oil, Malygos, Keleseth Tempo, Raiding Party (Thief variant) Tempo). Within those metas too other rogue decks have been extremely good to decent too, like Quest, normal pirate tempo, deathrattle, etc.

worth noting, the rogue decks brought to worlds were not always dominant on ladder.

This time Hunterace did basically have a ladder deck, but Viper (his opponent) had a miracle deck with Gadgetzan Auctioneers, Questing Adventurers, Viiolet Teachers, and Wanted!

You won't see that deck on ladder.

Rogue just frequently seems to have these high-skill decks with potential, which means it gets brought to tournaments even when it's not big on ladder.
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Honestly, the answer to warrior seems to be mech decks. Mechs can go tall thanks to magnetic, dodge one of Warrior's most important removal tools in Dyn-o'-matic, and tend to have deathrattles.
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So my friend doesn't clear his quests, I told him, give me your phone.

Rank 20 wild, I was reminded how much I hate Frost Lich Jaina. I am glad that she is wild only and basically never played at rank 5, cause fuck that card.
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davidponte posted...

We got the 'concede until you get Rag' brawl. Always a good one.

I mean, when this brawl first came out I played it a ton, got something like 100 wins, and once I had practice was able to pretty consistently win with both characters. (This was when Nef was very OP and had an overal 67% winrate; I was still able to win about 60% of the time with Rag once I got used to the mulligans and strategies). Like...it helps a lot knowing what to mulligan for and correct lines of play. I can totally understand not wanting to learn mulligan strategies and play lines for tavern brawl decks, though.

Anyway, comfortably won tavern brawl first try, and then got back to rank 5 in Wild and Standard. Using Goblin Bomb hunter in standard (5-2 or 7-3 something like that?) and Corpsetaker Walking Fountain Even Shaman in Wild (3-0).
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NPH's specialist tier list update

https://noproshere.wordpress.com/2019/04/30/team-noproshere-specialist-meta-report-7/

Myra's rogue is alone in tier 1. I guess basically what happened is people figured out how to sideboard against warrior, so it seemingly doesn't have a weak matchup now. Basically Rogue is probably going to need a nerf.
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SaintAkira7 posted...

Camden posted...

My only worry about specialist is if, or I should say when, one class is clearly more popular than the field. If you have a 16 player tournament and 11 of them bring Rogue...

This is almost a guarantee to happen. I think the specialist format will be short-lived due to this.

Eh.

In that case people who brought the counter to Rogue (Warriors for example) would probably win or go far in the tournament.

We'll see how it goes though. I remember early in Hearthstone's life, Brian Kibler showed up to a tournament with an unexpected Undertaker Priest deck that nobody could figure out how to beat, but...it was a ban format, and his opponents just banned it. Basically, the old format punished innovation, especially the conquest format. It's possible we could see more innovation with the new format. If you can come up with one good deck that beats the popular netdecks and keep it secret, you might win a tournament out of nowhere. This happens a lot in magic the gathering, which has a similar tournament format.
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OK, I'm confused; I got a pack for watching yesterday, but I turned the stream on at 6pm today and have had it on till now (6am). No packs (other than the boomsday pack for logging in, but I know you don't need to watch for this one). How does this work again?
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Brian Kibler was the right person to cast that game.
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I would like a Li-Li card, she was one of my most played heroes in Heroes of the Storm (mostly cause I liked her voice lines).

I also...honestly feel like they could draw from other Blizzard franchises. They did a Starcraft crossover once, but didn't actually put any Starcraft cards in, it was just a tavern brawl with portals or something. That was disappointing

Hmm...so finally got a pack for watching. My pick of Muzzy is looking a little shaky right now with him on 0-1, though.
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Hmm...pretty sure my account is correctly linked; nothing so far for watching HCT
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KokoroAkechi posted...

Man, I'm so glad World Championship brawl is back. Really fun playing these unnerfed decks from the past. Still, have not gotten Patron or Undertaker Hunter (which I think are in the pool but have not seen them yet in like 10 games or so).

I've gotten undertaker hunter, and have seen a streamer playing against Patron (I believe it's the post-nerf patron, so no Warsong Commander, just a midrange deck that makes patrons).
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Is there an English decklist?

Sure:

https://hearthstone-decks.net/even-corpsetaker-shaman-5-legend-omtylpupxnanyxg/
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So...one of the meta reports had a wild Even Shaman that looked too slow to be a wild deck.

Corpsetaker in Wild, with five eight-drops and no way to cheat them out. This decklist: https://twitter.com/oMTYLPUPxNanyxG/status/1119108391241052160

So...I tried it, and yeah, the deck is performing surprisingly well for me. There's a ton of aggro decks that run up against a lifesteal corpsetaker, and are like "what is this healing nonsense? How should I respond?" Some wild aggro players outright don't seem to know how to deal with it. I faced a pirate warrior, who hit corpsetaker with his weapon to take off divine shield, and then...chose not to trade in his Kor'Kron Elite. I...Earthen Mighted the corpsetaker, and healed for 10 lol.

Seems to deal with slower decks decently well as well. Devolve is a good card, particularly against Spreading Plague.
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Oh hey, the entire Q&A was collected in one place and summarized, which is nice cause scrolling through that topic was not the best UI:

https://www.hearthpwn.com/news/6685-rise-of-shadows-developer-q-a-all-answers
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UltimaterializerX posted...

metroid composite posted...

Messing around with Chef Nomi Priest in Casual (minus one Lazul's Scheme because I haven't crafted anything for the deck yet).

IDK what the writer was on, cutting a Mass Hysteria. At least, in aggro matchups this makes very little sense; I guess if you are expecting to face mostly warriors due to the tournament setting it's fine. But yeah, run mass hysteria. If you face a control warrior whom you expect to play Saboteur, you can mass hysteria on an empty board to avoid disaster. But yeah, ladder is always aggro happy, so two hysterias make sense.

Deck is hard to pilot as advertised. I'm not sure yet if I like it. TBH, something that's frustrated me before about decks built around gadgetzan auctioneer is that if the auctioneers are the bottom card of your deck you just die. This deck feels a little bit better about it, because you also have pyro+Acolyte of pain, and you can go full northshire. (I once burned six cards on purpose with double northshire circle of healing because I already had Nomi and 2x Seance in my hand). Still though, even with all of that the RNG of drawing vs not drawing Auctioneer is still real.

Doesn't Warrior just board wipe 3 times and not give a shit though?

They only have two board wipes that full clear.

Two Brawls. After that all they have is Warpath, which deals a maximum of 5 damage, and Chef Nomi fills the board with 6/6s. Their only possible out is to play Saboteur and hope to hit a Mass Hysteria in your hand (which is why Mass Hysteria gets sideboarded out for the warrior match, and why I am willing to Mass Hysteria on an empty board against warrior on ladder).
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Messing around with Chef Nomi Priest in Casual (minus one Lazul's Scheme because I haven't crafted anything for the deck yet).

IDK what the writer was on, cutting a Mass Hysteria. At least, in aggro matchups this makes very little sense; I guess if you are expecting to face mostly warriors due to the tournament setting it's fine. But yeah, run mass hysteria. If you face a control warrior whom you expect to play Saboteur, you can mass hysteria on an empty board to avoid disaster. But yeah, ladder is always aggro happy, so two hysterias make sense.

Deck is hard to pilot as advertised. I'm not sure yet if I like it. TBH, something that's frustrated me before about decks built around gadgetzan auctioneer is that if the auctioneers are the bottom card of your deck you just die. This deck feels a little bit better about it, because you also have pyro+Acolyte of pain, and you can go full northshire. (I once burned six cards on purpose with double northshire circle of healing because I already had Nomi and 2x Seance in my hand). Still though, even with all of that the RNG of drawing vs not drawing Auctioneer is still real.
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NPH specialist tournament report:

https://noproshere.wordpress.com/2019/04/22/team-noproshere-specialist-meta-report-6/

Apparently Chef Nomi Priest is a serious deck, currently tier 2, and Token Druid has dropped to tier 4 (in this format), cause the specialist format just lets everyone sideboard against it.
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GANON1025 posted...

Speaking of Token Druid, I've been playing and loving Hand Mage but wow Token Druid is not a good matchup for it. Not really even sure what you can do besides hope to discover a bunch of AOE spells.

Assuming you're running the high minion Book of Spectres variant, and not the spell variant with Blizzard and Flamestrike that uses Arcane Intellect to draw....

Run Doomsayer, run Meteorologist, run Dragonmaw Scorchers, I might consider running Batterhead since it's an on-curve way of countering The Forest's Aid.

But yeah, matchup is rough for the low-spell version, since spells are usually how mages beat tokens.

EDIT: oh, also Rabble Bouncers are very good against token druid. (2/7 taunt that costs 1 less for every enemy minion). Watched a streamer add two of those. Baron Geddon is also an interesting thought. EDIT: also, Mossy Horror might work.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

they gave Mage a f***ing 3 mana spell that gets them 4 giants for 6 mana total. They're just a bad company with no QC.

I cut that spell from my hand mage deck >_>

Admittedly I don't have Khadgar which is a key synergy card, but like...

If you don't have a minion in play conjurer's calling is bad.

If you do have a minion in play, there's some minions like Twilight Drake which you really don't want to conjurer's Calling.

It's good with Giant, but giant can sometimes end up sitting in hand and not getting played, particularly if you don't draw book of spectres (which tends to mean Giant costs about 6 mana or so).

It's also good with Voodoo Doll, but I only have one of those in the deck. Even then, that's like a 6 mana assassinate summon two random 3 drops; so basically comparable to Vilespine Slayer.

Like...I see why some people run it. It's a solid card. But I don't think it breaks the game.
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Every time I've watched crystalsong portal in token druid it's been pretty meh, TBH. In that the cards it produced were bad and often not worth playing. (It's also really not what you want to do on turn 2 anyway; you want to play a minion or create some minions not add cards to your hand unless you've got exactly coin wispering woods next turn).

You also need to run it in the almost pure spell version of the deck, which is not really the version I want to be running. (I'd rather run Microtech Controller, doomsayer, maybe an eccentric scribe, maybe some dendrologists). Like...Crystalsong Portal only makes sense in the version of the deck running Wrath and Mark of the Loa and almost zero minions.
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davidponte posted...

Sucks. Both my favourite organization and favourite players. I respect their want to capitalize, but with Hearthstone in the position it's in it was clear that was never going to happen. Gotta side with my boy Reynad on this one.

Yeah...from what Reynad is saying, Hearthstone is growing as a playerbase, but interest in Hearthstone pro play is shrinking.

I feel for the pro players, though, in that as you get better at a job, you want your salary to increase, but I've watched a lot of esports where...nope, salary for pro players just has a downward trend.
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LiquidOshawott posted...

metroid composite posted...

Tried out the goblin bomb mech hunter. I don't even have Leeroy. But uhh, yeah, deck seems pretty good so far.

Huh, kinda surprised since Leeroy has been the best legendary craft since Sylv and Rag got HOFd apart from like, Patches and maybe Lich King.

I didn't craft patches either. (Did craft Lich King though, and Rag and Sylv back in the day).

Bottom line is that I don't really spend dust on archetypes I don't care much about, and face aggro decks are archetypes I don't care much about.
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I mean, as a counterpoint, I've only played one game against warrior with bomb hunter but I did win. As long as you have goblin bombs lying around, all your magnetic minions basically have charge and deathrattle deal 2 damage. Just awkward to deal with unless they use their removal on pre-magnetic goblin bombs, but that's a really inefficient use of removal.
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Tried out the goblin bomb mech hunter. I don't even have Leeroy. But uhh, yeah, deck seems pretty good so far.
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It's definitely surprising the number of Rise of Shadows cards being used.

Outpacing the classic set is like...a thing that basically doesn't happen, and often implies the power level is too high, but Rise of Shadows cards are also mostly specialized enough that they don't fit into every archetype, they're just good in their own archetype.
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Pretty interesting analysis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yicllh875nU&feature=youtu.be

tl;dr, new set is really popular based on number of games being posted to HSReplay. New cards are really popular, being currently used more than the classic set. Also, post-rotation hasn't really revitalized Rhastakan's Rumble.
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davidponte posted...

I can't buy a couple wins in a row right now. I've played about a dozen games over the last three days, split between Mech Hunter, Mech Paladin, and Bomb Warrior, and have negative two stars to show for it.

I can't seem to get wins with Warlock at the moment; magic carpet zoo just seems to be getting edged out of the meta in standard, and evenlock isn't winning in wild.

Interesting point though: I just saw Proud Defender and Sunreaver Warmage in a wild Jade Druid (I lost). I think it might have only had like...two or three Jade cards and everything else was just hard control and armour gain.
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The theme over at competitiveHS right now seems to be "put batterhead into all of your slower decks that want more board clears".

And yeah, card seems pretty good against token druid; often clears, and lives threatening the next board too. Can turn heals and health boosts into more board clears.

(I opened two of these things, so that's cool with me, and yeah, it basically locks out token druid).
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I mean, last time I used Dendrologist I got three removal cards (claw, bite, and Savagery). Took Savagery, used Savage Roar, and dealt three damage for 1 mana clearing a 4/3. I suppose you'd call these discover options "trash cards" but it let me win a token druid mirror. (Sure, I would have liked to discover a second Savage Roar and win on the spot, but whatever; still won).

Obviously Stalladris is great with Power of the Wild, but that's literally two cards in your deck, also PotW is a 2 drops so you're probably not holding it for very long.

Usually getting some value off of "trash discovers" to me is preferable to occasionally getting big value; less RNG cause you usually get something instead of usually getting nothing.

Maybe I'm wrong though; maybe if you get PotW and Stalladris together your winrate jumps to 90%, making it still better for your overall winrate?

(I'm not planning on cutting Stalladris for a while though; as long as most token lists run a bunch of choose 1 effects, Stalladris has like...super taunt and they'll blow their whole hand trying to kill it).
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Yeah, I definitely think some of the adaptations made to token druid in that topic are quite good. Not just the doomsayer. Like...running more minions such as Microtech controller, and not runnung mark of the loa cause it sucks. Keeping Swipe over wrath cause this is a meta with lots of 1/1s. Not running Crystalsong Portal cause it doesn't really fit the deck.

I do disagree with the guy on competitiveHS about one point which is that dendrologist has been pretty good for me. Discovers a spell way more often than I thought it would, like almost every time I've played it, and druid spells are highly likely to be good for you. (He's not wrong about eccentric scribe in this deck though--in addition to being kinda slow, often my opponent can kill it on a full board giving me only one scroll.

At some point, if this becomes the standard list, then Keeper Stalladris will need to be cut, since it literally only interacts with the two Power of the Wilds and nothing else in the deck. For now it's probably fine, just because people will freak out killing it thinking it is a must kill and not a river crocolisk 80% of the time.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

This game needs a trade function. I would just hand you all of that.

That would be cool :)

Anyhow...so remember how last year I made a dragon hunter with Emeriss and a secret package to stay alive until I could start dropping dragons? Remember also how last year I made a Kangor's Endless Army Odd Paladin, which used Odd Paladin stuff to contest the board earlygame and stay alive until I could drop Mechano-Eggs?

So...apparently right now there's a deck called Mech paladin which is a Kangor's Endless Army deck that uses Secret Paladin stuff to stay alive in the earlygame, and then drops 4-6 mana mechs. I feel like the Hearthstone deckbuilding community just looked at my deckbuilding style and said "this but unironically".

Anyway, finally opened my second Mysterious Blade, so obviously I needed to try it. Missing quite a few cards. Crafted a second Bellringer Sentry. And...deck was not really functioning (lacked card draw). OK fine, crafted Prismatic Lens. Now the deck works! Nice. (Did not craft: Hidden Wisdom, Commander Rhyssa, Tirion. I can see why each of these would be solid, but the deck synergy functions without them, they're just high value plays. Replaced with 2x Truesilver and 1x Desperate Measures. Truesilver isn't great since this deck already has like 10 four drops and a couple weapons...yeah, ok, going to test cutting a truesilver for Aldor Peacekeeper).
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Just hit my next legendary (scargill), pity timer reset, and now I need to decide if I'm opening more.

Probably I think? Still missing a lot of rares, and relevant ones at that.

1x Sunreaver Warmage
1x Hecklebot
1x Plot Twist
1x Sludge Slurper
0x Hagatha's Scheme
0x Underbelly Fence
1x Convincing Infiltrator
1x Mysterious Blade
1x Magic Trick

Time to open packs until another legendary, I think.
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OK, now that I'm not forgetting key cards like giants, I went 9-3, 5-3, 9-3, 12-2 in Tavern Brawl. Good brawl for farming gold/packs.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

I'm of course running Tess Rogue because why not, but I'm looking to flesh out my deck options. I prefer fun, less popular decks. Haven't spent like anything on Rastakhan or Shadows packs, and just a bit on boom. Have a good amount of Witchwood.

Suggest me some decks.

I mean, Tess Rogue got a bunch of support in Rise of Shadows.

Hench-Clan Burglar: 4 mana 4/3 discover a spell from another class.
This guarantees you something off-class.even if you face a Rogue. (It's also a pirate so you can search for it with Raiding Party).

Vendetta: deal 4 damage to a minion (costs 0 if you're holding a card from another class)

Underbelly Fence: 2 mana 2/3 gains +1/+1 and rush if you're holding a card from another class.

Waggle Pick: 4 mana 4/2 weapon, deathrattle return a minion to your hand, it costs 2 less. (basically a Truesliver for rogue with an attached shadowstep instead of attached healing).

For other archetypes that are like Thief Rogue...there's the generate lots of mage spells decks. You run Mana Cyclone, which is "for each spell you cast this turn, add a random mage spell to your hand". And then set up a massive turn where you cast a ton of spells, and play it. It's an elemental, so you can play the "innervate for elementals spell."
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Adding to the list of cards that are like rare and which I have yet to pull a single copy: Underbelly Fence. Exotic Mountseller. Have 5 copies of some rares though.

Also a common I somehow haven't pulled 2 of somehow: EVIL Cable rat.
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Wow, I want to make a shaman deck, of various varieties, but pack RNG really hasn't given me shaman cards.

I don't mean just legendaries either. Zero Sludge Slurpers. Zero Hagatha's Scheme. Zero Muckmorphers. And, from last set, Zero Haunting Visions.

(Two underbelly Anglers, all the commons, and I do have 2x Big Bad Archmage if Muckmorpher into BBA turns out to be good).
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BlackDra90n posted...

I've opened maybe forty packs in the last two days and managed to get two golden legendaries. I think 48 hours ago I only had one golden legendary and I've been playing since.. 2013? Crazy.

Also got a golden legendary. Interesting.
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Posted my zoo deck on CompetitiveHS, got told it was bad, and should cut all the three drops, run magic carpets, and add more 1 drops, so I did that for tavern brawl.

One problem though: I forgot to add Sea Giants to the Tavern Brawl one. Oops.

Three control decks with board clears later and I went 2-3.

(Laggy went 8-3 with a sensible version of the deck, though--running Shieldbearers to sub for Crystalizers which he doesn't have. Worth noting I don't have the Soularium, and I think it's probably important for the "run magic carpet and all the 1 drops" version of the deck, cause Soularium is obviously good when most of your deck is 1 drops).
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I had lost to a hand mage with Mountain Giants and Meteorologist earlier, so I built my own hand mage.

I'm sure it's not anywhere close to optimal, but surprising to me it's winning a bunch (3-1). I started out with Blizzard, frost nova, flame strike, frost bolt etc but then I remembered that the version I played against had Book of Spectres, and dragon synergy (Firetree Witchdoctors) so I threw some of that in, took out most of the spells.

This deck is probably supposed to run a bunch of legendaries I don't have or something (Khadgar, Kalegcos) but lol, oh well. Mountain Giant, Meteorologist, and Astromancer seem good enough to win the game, and early on you just play stuff that keeps your hand size from shrinking (Messenger Raven, Firetree Witchdoctor, anything with twinspell).

Meteorologist tho. I had literally forgotten this card existed, but it feels like it's carrying me a lot of the time.
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Side note, I was going to give murloc shaman a spin, until I realized I had opened zero Sludge Slurpers. Oof. I don't want to craft them; they're rare, and I'm not done opening RoS packs. I could run Murloc Raider instead, but that is a bit of a letdown.
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Hench-Clan Hogsteed is kind-of amazing with both Knife Juggler and Dire Wolf Alpha.

With Dire Wolf Alpha, you get a 3 damage rush (and a minion summoned next to DWA). With Knife Juggler, you get two juggles immediately on top of your 2 rush damage.

Like...all of these cards are solid aggro 2 drops on their own, but during previews I really hadn't appreciated the level of synergy between Hogsteed and the other two. (I was too busy thinking about "it's a beast, and a murloc").
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