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TopicStock Topic 4
red sox 777
05/20/20 9:48:40 AM
#203
LK opened at $2.50, now at $3.30.

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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 297: Mnuchin's Oddysee
red sox 777
05/20/20 2:55:24 AM
#38
LordoftheMorons posted...
Russia had just interfered in our election and are one of our two biggest geopolitical foes. Even setting that aside, we regularly spy on even our allies! Spying on countries like Russia is literally the main point of those agencies.

And as far as "getting him to commit perjury" goes, they were asking him questions they knew the answers to and charged him for lying when he lied of his own volition, which is the same thing they do for all of their other cases, whether for drugs, terrorism, or whatever. If you have a problem with that, then fine! Argue that Congress should make it illegal. But it's very much standard operating procedure, and there's no reason that it should be a special outrage when it's done to Flynn.

Spying is illegal everywhere. And if we spy on our allies, we are not being a very good ally, are we? Also, Russia used to be one of our biggest geopolitical foes. Not anymore. Not since the 2016 election.

I don't care if it's standard operating procedure, sending people to the gulag for coughing while Stalin was speaking was standard operating procedure in the Soviet Union too. It's wrong. And here in the US, we have a legal doctrine for dealing with this already - fruit of the poisonous tree. All evidence collected from such activity is unusable and any case based thereon must be tossed. Then the perpetrators can be charged with subornation of perjury. Glad we finally have an AG who's being objective instead of just supporting our law enforcement agencies.

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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 297: Mnuchin's Oddysee
red sox 777
05/20/20 2:19:40 AM
#25
LordoftheMorons posted...
They were spying on the Russians and Flynn's name came up because he's a traitorous piece of shit

It's a Flynn scandal

Why were they spying on Russia? The incoming US President made greater friendship and cooperation with Russia a cornerstone of his campaign platform. Isn't it obstructing the will of the American People to persist with antagonizing Russia during the lame-duck period?

Now, you can argue that Obama was elected for a full four-year term in 2012 and he was entitled to persist with his policies until the very end of his term. That's true and that's not illegal. But if the FBI was attempting to get a witness to commit perjury - that is definitely a crime.

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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 297: Mnuchin's Oddysee
red sox 777
05/20/20 2:10:49 AM
#23
LordoftheMorons posted...
I mean with "Obamagate" they're literally trying to make a scandal out of the fact that the Obama Administration and Intelligence Community did their job and caught Mike Flynn doing shady shit with the Russians. They're trying to spin a Dem scandal out of what's actually a Trump scandal!

If an administration is investigating their political opponents for political reasons that's a huge scandal.

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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 297: Mnuchin's Oddysee
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05/19/20 10:07:19 PM
#14
LordoftheMorons posted...
He was pressuring Ukraine
To fire a corrupt prosecutor who was standing in the way of Ukrainian reform efforts, in accordance with the official stance of US government and our allies

Which is... good

So he committed blackmail for a good purpose? Well, that's why he's probably going to confess!

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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 297: Mnuchin's Oddysee
red sox 777
05/19/20 9:56:19 PM
#12
LordoftheMorons posted...
You have the causality backwards

They made up these fake scandals because Joe was expected to be the nominee/was the nominee. They would have made up fake scandals for anyone. And as fake scandals go, I don't expect this one to be at all effective.

It's a completely nonsensical conspiracy theory that you have to be immersed in the Fox Extended Universe to understand, relies on convincing people that a much more popular president (Obama) was doing shady shit, does not connect to anyone's lives, and ultimately comes to "look at how mean they were to Trump and Mike Flynn"

The real Russiagate wasn't moving a ton of votes. I see no reason to believe a fake version will.

I wonder what you are going to say when Joe Biden confesses to blackmailing Ukraine at a debate.

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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 297: Mnuchin's Oddysee
red sox 777
05/19/20 9:55:06 PM
#11
Good, glad they're going to subpoena James Comey and Loretta Lynch. If the trail leads to Obama, uphold the principle of presidential immunity and don't prosecute him. But turn over every stone to get to Hillary Clinton!

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TopicStock Topic 4
red sox 777
05/19/20 7:23:13 PM
#196
TVIX might be the worst investment instrument ever. If you bought $13 million worth of TVIX at its peak in September 2011, you'd have $1 now.

That said, if you bought TVIX in February at the all-time market high and sold late March at the market bottom, you'd have made a 2000% profit in one month.

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TopicStock Topic 4
red sox 777
05/19/20 7:19:38 PM
#194
It's okay if it gets delisted. It would just trade on OTC instead of Nasdaq.

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TopicStock Topic 4
red sox 777
05/19/20 7:08:50 PM
#189
Wow! Just after Nasdaq said they wanted to delist them. At some point in the middle of the halt I was already mentally writing my shares off as a 100% loss so opening at all is a gain from that point of view.

But, I think it may rise a lot from $4.39. The short interest is like 45% of the float, and they've fired the CEO and they've been opening stores at a breakneck pace in China even after the fraud announcement. Let's go!

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TopicBernie supporters, who are you voting for?
red sox 777
05/19/20 3:09:44 PM
#47
Mr Lasastryke posted...
i should clarify that i'm basing "consensus" mostly on the reactions in the politics containment topic. even though LotM is probably the only huge biden fan there, everyone was like "biden was ok." nobody was arguing biden was as terrible in the debates as delaney or bloomberg.

and hillary was extremely unlikable and UNBELIEVABLY condescending in the debates. i hate trump as much as the next guy, but even i was starting to get annoyed at hillary's smug laughing and ever-present "lol he's such a clown what am i even doing on this stage" attitude. not saying biden is super charismatic but i'll give him that he's better than hillary in this regard.

Biden was better than Delaney and Bloomberg only in that he didn't make himself the center of attention. In terms of actual speaking, he was worse. Bloomberg, for instance, could have won that debate if the audience (at home) consisted of Republicans rather than Democrats. He lost because the ideas he was pitching were not what Democrats were interested in.

Biden couldn't have won that debate with any audience I think. He was able to avoid coming in last simply by saying nothing memorable.

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TopicBernie supporters, who are you voting for?
red sox 777
05/19/20 1:59:40 PM
#43
pyresword posted...
Ok so do you have polling data that both tracks this and isolates the effect of the debates specifically within that data?

No, but I have eyes and ears, and I was significantly more accurate at predicting the election than the polls and models based on the polls. I was nearly exactly right, and most polling models other than 538 were catastrophically wrong. Even 538 was significantly off the result.

In any case, I think it's quite clear that Hillary 2016 is a far better debater than Biden 2020. Drop Biden 2020 into the 2016 Republican debates and he is quite possibly the worst debater in that group of 17.

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TopicBernie supporters, who are you voting for?
red sox 777
05/19/20 1:45:15 PM
#41
Mr Lasastryke posted...
hillary went up in the polls after the debates.

if we're not judging them by "who had the best arguments/was arguing in good faith the most" (because hillary obviously wins then lol) but "who was the best persuader," i don't see how trump won either.

The immediate impact is much less important than the impact through election. As I said, Trump was effective in creating footage that could be replayed as short clips which were extremely effective. For instance (paraphrasing):

HRC: Well I'm glad that someone with your temperament isn't in charge of law enforcement in this country.

DJT: Because you'd be in jail.

That kind of exchange is less effective in the middle of a 2 hour debate, but presented as a standalone clip it's super powerful.

Also, HRC is miles better at debating than 2020 Biden. She would have been on a level with the former version of Biden probably, but this version who has a hard time stringing a complete sentence together? Totally different.

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TopicBernie supporters, who are you voting for?
red sox 777
05/19/20 12:19:53 PM
#38
You guys who keep telling yourself Trump is a poor debater are in denial. He ran circles around 16 Republican candidates and then delivered of moments against Hillary that are very effective when replayed as short clips.

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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 296: "Needless Suffering and Death"
red sox 777
05/19/20 3:08:16 AM
#472
LordoftheMorons posted...
This was not just "being late on paying rent." Damaging a unit and bailing on it and leaving the owner of the horse sanctuary with a $1400 veterinary bill aren't things that are totally fine just because she poor. And if this is a pattern of conduct then yeah, I don't find renting from somebody and then forcing them to buy you out when you never had any intention of paying them to be ethical either.

Even if she isn't a saint, that doesn't make her an unreliable witness regarding a completely different and unrelated topic. And at least in my experience/feeling, most people who don't pay rent or stick other people with bills are doing it because they ran out of money, not because they intended to from the outset. And that includes people who do make decent money but are bad with spending it and blow it on bad investments or an expensive lifestyle. They still aren't intending to hurt others.

Yes, there are exceptions like Donald Trump who have the means to pay and simply don't want to, but they are few compared to people who simply lack the finances to do it.

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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 296: "Needless Suffering and Death"
red sox 777
05/19/20 2:51:34 AM
#470
LordoftheMorons posted...
There was another Politico piece a few days ago about Reade that interviewed a lot of people she used to rent from, whom she had a tendency to take advantage of (the owner of the horse sanctuary is quoted here too):
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/15/tara-reade-left-trail-of-aggrieved-acquaintances-260771

Are you serious? You're going to disbelieve her because she was late on paying rent?

It's quite common, and perfectly legal, for tenants to demand that their landlords pay them to leave, so that they can avoid an eviction lawsuit that would take time and hassle. Tenants have a lot of rights in California. If she was acting like this it means she was having trouble making ends meet.

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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 296: "Needless Suffering and Death"
red sox 777
05/19/20 2:37:20 AM
#468
Tara Reade has the same right to sue for defamation as anyone else. If people are lying about her, they can be sued.

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TopicBernie supporters, who are you voting for?
red sox 777
05/18/20 10:10:54 PM
#25
Pretty happy with these results so far. If this is representative of the electorate Biden is doomed.

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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 296: "Needless Suffering and Death"
red sox 777
05/18/20 7:15:46 PM
#457
I mean, to be fair, he does know more than anyone else about viruses!

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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 296: "Needless Suffering and Death"
red sox 777
05/18/20 6:18:03 PM
#453
Wow, Trump has reportedly been taking hydroxychloroquine himself as a preventative drug.

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TopicStock Topic 4
red sox 777
05/18/20 6:15:17 PM
#168
Ended up at +20% for the day with my travel-only portfolio.

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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 296: "Needless Suffering and Death"
red sox 777
05/18/20 12:21:18 PM
#439
Biden is preparing for defeat: "I didn't want to win anyway, that's why I told A,B,C,D,E,F,G.... not to vote for me."

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TopicStock Topic 4
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05/18/20 12:04:55 PM
#158
+17% today. Awesome.

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TopicBernie supporters, who are you voting for?
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05/18/20 12:28:29 AM
#1
Bernie supporters, who are you voting for?







Vote away!

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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 296: "Needless Suffering and Death"
red sox 777
05/17/20 11:52:44 AM
#424
LordoftheMorons posted...
They outline the Dems' test and trace plan (which they helped develop and provided a $74 billion cost estimate for, which is in the HEROES Act). Basically communities are divided into green/yellow/red based on the fraction of the population with active coronavirus infections, and they estimate how many tests and contact tracers they need to basically go back to normal (green), mostly normal with restrictions like mandatory masks, large gathering bans etc (yellow), or remain in lockdown (red) based on South Korea. Most of the US is yellow right now based on this classification, with places that are really bad like NYC red (>1% infected). Their claim is that if we make this investment right now, most of the country could be green by July.

I'm guessing July is very optimistic even if competently implemented now, but implementing something like this if definitely the way to go if we want to get out of this anytime soon.

They went to the wrong people with this plan. Should have pitched it to Republicans. Since they took it to the Dems, it's now dead on arrival.

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TopicSurvivor: Winners at War Topic 3: Only One Five-Day Week Left
red sox 777
05/16/20 4:07:39 PM
#399
Yeah, those Heroes were awful. So glad the Villains won.

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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 296: "Needless Suffering and Death"
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05/15/20 7:00:01 PM
#362
There's also a nonlegal principle that should be self-evident- what is not proven is not proven. It's sheer stupidity to ask people to decide whether something happened when they don't feel they have sufficient evidence to decide.

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05/15/20 3:53:17 PM
#349
ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Isnt this explicitly illegal?

No, the President can declassify anything whenever he so chooses.

17 times faster though......the old flight time between the US and USSR is around 30 minutes. So now we can hit in less than 2 minutes? That sounds more dangerous for the survival of humanity.

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TopicWhich prominent Republican would you support to be President?
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05/15/20 3:51:33 PM
#1
Which prominent Republican would you support to be President?



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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 296: "Needless Suffering and Death"
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05/15/20 3:44:22 AM
#315
Corrik7 posted...
There is plenty of ways to make viable alternatives. The problem is, they are questioning the need for it at all instead of giving ideas towards it.

That's called negotiating. Act like you don't care to improve your bargaining position. It's a much better approach than the Democrats' standard strategy of asking for exactly what they want at the beginning, and then surrendering and getting nothing.

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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 296: "Needless Suffering and Death"
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05/15/20 3:41:51 AM
#314
Corrik7 posted...
You said they would be getting up to an extra 22% a month and threw out those numbers on the extra they are getting a month. Which is 100% false.

Yes, as of the next year's tax time, they will be getting an extra 22% on each dollar they are earning in unemployment. That's exactly right.

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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 296: "Needless Suffering and Death"
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05/15/20 3:30:46 AM
#310
Corrik7 posted...
I have said very clearly for the start that if Republicans cannot find a viable alternative to the Democrats plan, then by default you have to support the Democrats here. As of now, the Republicans are saying "over my dead body" "we don't know if we need any more assistance", "dead on arrival", and "veto".

That's not an alternative.

Be patient and let Mitch work his magic. Republicans aren't like Democrats, showing their hand from the start.

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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 296: "Needless Suffering and Death"
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05/15/20 3:29:40 AM
#309
Corrik7 posted...
Your taxed in your brackets every paycheck, redsox. They don't add up your income made throughout the year and tax you more the more your yearly income adds up.

Let's try and make this example easier...

Let's say you made 1 million in the first 6 months of the year. And you made max PA unemployment the last 6 months. Your unemployment is not 37% tax rate.

1,000,000 divided by 26 is 38,461.54 a week.

Your first $189.90 of your weekly paycheck was taxed 10% on your withhold.

771.63-189.90= 581.73

Your next $581.73 was taxed 12% on your withhold.

1,644.71 - 771.63 = Your next 873.08 is taxed at 22%

3,140.38 - 1,644.71 = 1,495.67.

Your next 1,495.67 was taxed at 24%

3,987.50 - 3,140.38 = 847.12

Your next 847.12 is taxed at 32%.

9,969.23 - 3,987.50 = 5,981.73

Your next 5,981.73 is taxed at 35%.

38,461.54 - 9,969.23 = 28,492.31

Your last 28,492.31 is taxed at 37%.

This is all out of your weekly paycheck. (This only moves a little bit due to how you claim on your w4. But this is the basics.).

The paychecks are taxed as if they assume this is your 52 weeks every week. So anything that ends up being higher than normal is overtaxed.

So, sure. Anything you on top is in the 37% tax bracket, but you have already overpaid your taxes now because you didn't make as much as estimated by your weekly withholds already. Your unemployment withholds are still going to be 10%. Which means you are only getting an extra 10% on your income. You might get a slightly bigger return since you are taking another 14,950 off your income which makes your return larger, but you can't get that money now when you need it.

Not slightly larger. A lot larger. You'll end up paying exactly what you are supposed to pay, the withholding changes exactly zero.

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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 296: "Needless Suffering and Death"
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05/15/20 3:20:33 AM
#305
No, it isn't. My stance is we should encourage the country to reopen. Corrik previously identified some issue with the $600/week not being capped by someone's previous income so someone would have to take a paycut to resume work. You could solve that by shifting it after 3 months to be capped at 100% of previous income.

But anyways, this conversation is sort of tiresome since people keep misconstruing what I'm saying. Let's make this easier:

Please leave the economic policy to Mitch McConnell, who knows far better than you what's good for the country.

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05/15/20 3:14:04 AM
#303
And to be completely clear since you seem to fixate on one thing, I never said that cutting income tax on UE benefits should be the only thing we do. Someone else said that cutting payroll tax wouldn't help unemployed people, so I said we can cut their taxes too.

People somehow got the idea that I was saying that we should do a payroll tax cut and nothing else. All I said was that it seemed better than the complete package in the Heroes Act, with all the bad baggage. You can do other good things too.

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05/15/20 3:10:03 AM
#302
Corrik7 posted...
If you knew how withholding worked, you would understand why you don't make sense. Under your thinking, you make more money at the beginning of the year than the end of the year which is really dumb.

Like, what you are suggesting speaks to the fact that you astronomically don't know how withholding works.

You are never going to owe 22% on the unemployment you got. Because if you earned enough prior or after in the year, the weeks you earned enough to project you into the higher bracket FOR THAT WEEK has had that portion already taxed at the higher bracket FOR THOSE WEEKS.

What you are suggesting is that at tax time you should get a bigger return because instead of adding a 10% tax bracket income in for all those weeks you got unemployment, you add 0% and the money you paid prior becomes a bigger return because it overestimated you based on your weekly amounts taxed for the entire year.

Which defeats the purpose of your argument. Because, it didn't increase how much you got per month past 10% for the unemployment and keeps the same numbers I gave a range for. It increased what you would get on your tax return in March slightly. That doesn't help people now. At all.

Corrik, I have no idea what you are talking about. I said I was talking about taxes. Not withholding. Your taxable income is your taxable income, whenever you pay it.

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05/15/20 2:58:28 AM
#300
Corrik7 posted...
That is not how withholding works at all...

I'm not talking about withholding, I'm talking about the tax that's ultimately due. Whether or not it's withheld, it'll still come due and have to be paid.

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05/15/20 2:53:29 AM
#298
Corrik7 posted...
You just said you are basically against extending the $600 a week. So that ends the $2400 there (no idea where you are getting $2600 unless you are accounting some months have an extra pay week or something).

And, the tax withhold on unemployment is 10%. Not 22%. Why would it even be 22%?

PA Unemployment is 575 a week. That is 29,900 a year. The 22% tax bracket doesn't come in until $40,126 for single filers. $80,251 for married filers.

So, why would you be acting like a 22% bracket tax would ever matter. At most a portion would be 12%.

At 2,300 a month in PA, you are getting 230 withheld for taxes.

In states such as Mississippi the max is $235 a week. For a whopping $940 a month, and a $94 benefit.

And, this is assuming maximum rates, which some probably don't qualify for and why I have it as a low as a $20 benefit in my above estimate. Hell, with the standard deduction, some may not even have a tax liability at all.

I am assuming the person is working the rest of the year and their regular income has already put them into the 22% bracket.

The $2,600 is from a month being a little longer than 4 weeks - an average month is between 30 and 31 days while 4 weeks is only 28 days.

I'm for extending the $600/week until 3ish months after the stay home orders have been lifted. After that I'd rather have people working than not working.

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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 296: "Needless Suffering and Death"
red sox 777
05/15/20 2:27:30 AM
#295
Corrik7 posted...
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

I'm figuring $2,000 a month unemployment. There's a 22% tax rate, so that's $440. If the $600/week is taxable too, that's another $2,600 or so a month of taxable income. So about $600. Now we're at over $1,000 in income tax on unemployment per month.

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05/15/20 1:34:16 AM
#292
Grimlyn posted...
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1261126114799468549

lmao

Thank you to all of my great Keyboard Warriors!

.... it's so weird but so incredibly consistent

Do you hear that Sephy? Trump thinks his keyboard warriors are better than you.

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05/15/20 12:23:13 AM
#290
Corrik7 posted...
Do you even pay income tax on the federal boost?

If you mean get rid of the income tax on regular unemployment you are talking about $20-$200 a month. That's a far cry from $2400.

It can be more like $400. Add in the federal $2600/month and that's another $600 or so for a total of around $1,000 per month.

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05/14/20 9:44:38 PM
#284
Another way of putting this: if we hadn't been paying payroll tax since we started working, most of us wouldn't need unemployment benefits at all. Because we'd have much more in savings. When times are tough, people of wealth make withdrawals from their IRA or 401(k), so it's only fair that the common folk, whose retirement savings are tied up in social security, are also allowed to access it. I think even better than a payroll tax holiday would be giving people an option to take early withdrawals from social security.

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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 296: "Needless Suffering and Death"
red sox 777
05/14/20 9:39:47 PM
#283
LordoftheMorons posted...
The states need money because theyre being forced to spend a shit ton responding to the coronavirus (and much more than they would have had the federal government been taking charge). If the Federal government doesnt want the responsibility the least they can do is foot the bill

(its also way cheaper for the Feds to do this since they can borrow huge sums of money for free at the moment, which the states cannot do).

It's no different from the airlines spending all their profits on share buybacks and then asking for a bailout. Some of the states are just as bad as the airlines and the banks.

And yes, the states would have to pay interest to borrow. That's an incentive not to be wasteful!

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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 296: "Needless Suffering and Death"
red sox 777
05/14/20 9:37:28 PM
#281
Inviso posted...
How exactly would a payroll tax holiday help those unemployed as a result of the pandemic? Or is this one of those things where the literal interpretation of words isn't accurate?

A payroll tax holiday would help everyone who is still working and stimulate the economy. People who are unemployed are already getting extra UE benefits. But sure, let's make those nontaxable too so everyone benefits.

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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 296: "Needless Suffering and Death"
red sox 777
05/14/20 9:35:45 PM
#279
StealThisSheen posted...
You admit there are no jobs right now, but your answer is "Fuck 'em," anyway?

No, I strongly supported the $600/week through July. I question extending it to January, because we should be trying to have jobs by January. I would support extending it through let's say September as right now recovery by July is looking unlikely.

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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 296: "Needless Suffering and Death"
red sox 777
05/14/20 9:34:26 PM
#278
I would prefer a payroll tax holiday to the entire package in there. Also I don't like the idea of giving $500 billion to state governments. California is perpetually broke despite having the highest taxes in the country, the highest fees in the country, AND one of the wealthiest tax bases in the country. Giving them more money is like giving an alcoholic more money to buy alcohol because they spent all their money buying alcohol and are still thirsty.

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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 296: "Needless Suffering and Death"
red sox 777
05/14/20 9:30:45 PM
#276
Hard disagree on that one. I don't think the $600/week UE during the peak of the crisis had any real negative impact on jobs because there are no jobs to find right now. Doing it when we are supposed to be recovering is going to slow our recovery by keeping people at home and not working.

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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 296: "Needless Suffering and Death"
red sox 777
05/14/20 9:28:33 PM
#275
Also, it seems to me like it's encouraging the economy to stay closed. A lot of the money is going to "essential workers" only, and that $600/week unemployment bonus is being extended to January. I think the bonus is fine when people literally cannot work even if they wanted to but if we are trying to reopen the country, surely we want people to be getting back to work long before January. And while I don't think the average person is going to quit their job to go on unemployment, the average person on unemployment is going to be very picky about applying for and accepting a job that pays less than they are being paid on UE. I mean, why would they do that?

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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 296: "Needless Suffering and Death"
red sox 777
05/14/20 9:24:25 PM
#272
Corrik, what do you like about the Heroes Act? I just read through an article about it and I can't see what's good about it. It sounds like an enormously expensive giveaway to groups favored by Democrats, with a one-time payment of $1,200 to everyone else to appease them.

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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 296: "Needless Suffering and Death"
red sox 777
05/14/20 9:12:31 PM
#270
If the American People wanted someone who would follow the plans left by Obama, they would have voted for Hillary. I think the Trump administration had essentially no choice but to ignore those plans or else they would have been going against the clearly expressed will of the People. It would be breaking an election promise.

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