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Lyrica posted...

I'm always shocked that the straights know about grindr lol.

some of us straights *gasp* have spoken and interacted with gay people in our life

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silly fool. the way the app works the algorithm will put him so deep in women's swipe lists doing this that they'll never even see his profile much less get the chance to swipe no on him

the more picky you are during the swipe process the better results you get if you're patient

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it has become completely impossible to predict

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first bows now swords lol

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AFrench2 posted...

TO ANYONE HERE WHO HAS A PROBLEM WITH WHAT I AM SAYING:

Go lick their fucking boots. They love the power and authority they have anyhow - they would probably get off to you licking their boots.

Get outta my fucking topic. Traitors.

It's quite evident your heart is in the right place but your emotions are running in overdrive. Screen shot this topic and revisit it in a month

Thank me later

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Blue_Dream87 posted...

Casualties of war tbh.

Society never gave a fuck about innocent black lives for decades. Why should we care about yours?

Woah

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Does this mean perfect personality or perfect body on a girl you're dating

Or perfect girl or your own body becomes perfect

Because the answer is very easily perfect girl in either scenario. I only care about my body's appearance to get girls lol

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5'8 height

5.5 inch dick - but very satisfied with the girth

it's a tricky one. honestly my 5.5 looks bigger than it is because of said girth and the fact i'm a short guy, i think if I was 6'2 or something I would feel a bit insecure about it as it would suddenly seem proportionally below average

so i dont know, i'll just stay the way i am

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The_Creep_2020 posted...

I have no idea what child support costs over 18 years, since I have never been silly enough to put myself in that position.

However, a pack of 30 Durex Feather Lites costs $16 AUD. At around 50c per occasion, that seems like quite excellent bang for ones buck.

I used a condom as I always do - a couple of weeks later she had spotting - she convinced herself it was due to implantation bleeding and got me convinced it was as well because fuck what do I know it's her body. So I started questioning if the condom slipped off or broke one of the times we had sex

The spotting/bleeding ended up being something unrelated - but in the short time where we didn't know that it lead to some pretty frank discussion and by the end I felt like the current system in place is kind of bullshit. But whatever. I wasn't going to force an abortion nor scamper out of payment - I would have just felt fucking miserable about it.

My situation was just a bit of odd coincidence/luck (originally i thought extremely bad luck, then it ended up kinda just being nothing) but it made me analyse this stuff to a degree I hadn't before.

I think i'll genuinely consider the snip in the future

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Frolex posted...

The right to let the mother and child languish after you you fail to force the mother into abortion is indeed just one thing

Meh, I barely have enough money to afford my own food and rent so whatever. Dog eat dog world I guess

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See that's 2 things. I just want power over 1(the right to be a deadbeat dad ideally)

1 + 1 = 2 = equality

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Frolex posted...

imagine how much more it hurts to raise a child with a deadbeat dad

Yeah I know, that's why if I was a women I'd go full Lena Dunham and proudly abort dat shit

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Frolex posted...

yeah, paying child support is some fantastic and twisted freak occurrence rather a totally normal thing millions of people already do.

When you used a condom it hurts that little bit extra though

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Okay now I'm just confused lol

If you're a man I hope you don't end up in my position. If you do, and you're as willing to potentially dish out lifelong CS payments to a girl you've dated a couple of months as you say you are then I guess you won't feel too bad about it if you ever have to face it

And I guess you're a stronger man than me

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Whatever. If you think men should feel powerless in this situation I won't argue. It wasn't a nice feeling though and I hope you don't go through it

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I have a problem with the financial side of the law in its current form

I literally felt powerless in my own situation, which I was. All because I had sex

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Yeah I agree that is the current law. And I think it's a dumb law

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Frolex posted...

Nope, both parents have an equal responsibility to their child. Our difference here is you believe women have the responsibility to acquiesce to a man's demand for an abortion

I truly, honestly don't. When my own situation occurred I didn't even bother pushing the issue of abortion as I knew she was religious and wouldn't cave(or shed be scarred for life if she had caved because she views abortion as a sin)- I just said if you're pregnant don't expect me to be part of this kids life. I still probably would have given money(especially if I was legally required lol) but yeah having a kid is something I really, really don't want as I think it pretty much changes your life forever in a negative sense.

Luckily her pregnancy scare turned out to be just that, a scare. But the conversations we had in the meantime were infuriating for me and I haven't forgotten them, clearly!

Oh, and I used a condom

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And you think men should be chained to supporting a child that they don't want no matter the circumstances (and sorry I do consider being against abortion for religious reasons total bullshit)

We're both guilty of using perhaps some overdramatic language here (languish/chained) but yeah it's clear this conversation may as well end now

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Frolex posted...

No, it's not one or the other, it's about the child. Full stop. You're just obsessed with shielding men, and only men, from responsibility because in your world a woman not having an abortion is irresponsible.

I'm standing up for the opposing view, in this thread, arguing against you and that other guy earlier. He and you are 100% obsessed with shielding women or whatever, whatever you can call my view I guess I call yours the opposite.

Do women in general need more shielding than men? Absolutely. On this particular issue though I feel some people aren't willing to give any power to the man at all - and at least in the financial side of things I feel he deserves some power. Especially in certain circumstances

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Frolex posted...

men in impoverished communities shouldn't be "chained" to feeding their kid, but women and children in impoverished should instead be chained to languishing under a deadbeat dad because you don't like women's reasons for not pursuing abortion. yeah, why would anyone accuse you of having weird attitudes towards women.

so you acknowledge it's one or the other - great. someone has to lose out here. biology isnt fair or whatever was the buzzphrase a few pages back.

i just happen to be on side of the argument, you're on the other. tell me i have weird attitudes to women if you like, personally based on my own experience with this situation I can tell you it's a weird attitude to religion(I dated a religious girl even though I'm not because I wanted to not be your typical angry atheist and I liked her for other reasons and stuff - then this issue came up early on with dating and things fell apart quickly)

And I bet I'm not the only person who's gone through this

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<i>How are the courts to sit around and make a decision on every single case like this?</i>

Don't all these cases go through court anyway? What's the harm in expecting them taking a little bit more time to go through the cases with a little more scrutiny

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i don't know it was meant to be a parody of your stupid spin on things - i guess my intention was implying young males living in impoverished communities shouldn't be chained to a child support payment if they wanted female x to get an abortion but female x was scared of abortions for religious reason or something.

Which is a point I've basically stuck to this entire thread(re abortions should be made super accessible everywhere and lose their stigma/taboo) but people like you keep spinning it into something else, much like you've spun my analysis of rape into some kind of weird thing it isn't as well. and since the topic is gone you know you can get away with it.

you're fighting unfairly here

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trolled about murder lol. no you would have probably lapped up a topic about a murderer like a teenager watching the Ted Bundy documentary. But rape is something that must never be talked about ever apparently in any critical sense. It's so taboo you can't even utter the word. It's like Voldemort.

Child Starvation lol you should write clickbait articles. What a spin on this - how about I spin it to bankrupting minorities who don't have easy access to contraception?


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for the record even the moderator who deleted that topic acknowledged I wasn't trolling(it was a NKL) he just stated this isn't the place to have such discussions.

But go on, continue to be obtuse. You knew/know I just wanted a dialogue about rape(because I genuinely had a thought about how crazy it really is and wanted to discuss it).

I wasn't praising it/excusing it/denying it/making light of it or anything like that - and if it was trying to analyse the mind of a murderer you wouldn't have said peep.

Be gone

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also I guarantee some of the guys arguing against me in this topic wouldn't undertake male contraception in the form of medical intervention (ie... things more serious than condoms) in a million years - you all talk a big game but I know at the end of the day you feel the same way as me

if you ever find yourself one of the unlucky 3% who use a condom, still get a girl pregnant and now find yourself indebted 4 lyf because the girl thinks abortions are murder - you'll see my side of things

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I'm specifically arguing for circumstances when the women doesn't want to have an abortion - the men doesn't want the child or anything to do with the child - but still has to pay money(a lot of money) because he dared to gasp... have sex and now he must face the CONSEQUENCES

I should state I'm not american - I assume your laws surrounding abortions are lot more tougher(or perhaps I should say more archaic)

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Obviously the abortion decision is black and white. It either or happens or it doesn't. So of course women should get more control (or essentially complete control) of that decision. But should she also get an assurance that the other party must pay his equal share if he vehemently didn't want the child?

No way Jose

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Darmik posted...

It's the fault if both parties in most circumstances.

It is possible for men to lie about using condoms or being snipped however.

snip snip snip. get the snip yourself bro if you love it so much!

(joking)

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condoms have a 97% effective rate. stop the argument with condoms - we've conceded if you didn't wear a condom you're an idiot and have no leg to stand on - but there exist circumstances where you try very hard to be safe(short of getting the snip) and through either human error or... condom manufacturing error can you still wind up with a pregnancy situation - this 3% loophole is large enough to warrant this discussion


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Frolex posted...

Because "I as a man have the moral right to 'financially abort'" is about as popular of an internet circlejerk as "black people are moral failures because of absent fathers"

don't pretend you hold the progressive view you pro-lifer

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

So they are both at fault for something that could have been prevented by a choice only the mother can make. In that case let her deal with the consequences of her choice.

got him

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I just want the fairness pie to be sliced up with consideration

50-25-25(50 to the kid, 25 to the parents)

Some people want 75-25-0

Some want 50-50-0

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TheOtherMike posted...

Forcing the child to live in poverty because you want to be a deadbeat is more unfair.

Then we come to an agreement.

If she doesn't want a kid but is simply afraid of an abortion because God, okay fine but I'm only paying 25-75

If she legit wanted a kid and I knew that going in then 75-25 me, I fucked up

We gotta be flexible

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Cleo_II posted...

I personally dont think that women should bear all the physical risks of pregnancy alone. I think we should design a system where we can hook mens brains into it so they can feel every cramp, nausea attacks, back aches, or birth pains. Also if the woman dies in childbirth, so should the man. It will be like the matrix but for pregnancy.

Its only fair.

We agree with each other. Pregnancy sucks. So get an abortion

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I keep hearing life isn't fair/biology isn't fair

Then I guess it's badluck that were not seahorses and the women in our species carry the child(joking)

Biology isn't fair of course but laws should be. And forcing an unwilling father to pay for the 'consequences' in this scenario for years and years is unfair


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Darmik posted...

They are responsible.

They have to decide whether or not to have an abortion. A choice that they'll remember for the rest of their lives. Something they'll have to live with forever.

They have to decide on whether or not they'll raise the child themselves or give them up to someone else. Something they'll have to live with forever.

The fact that you think this isn't a responsibility says a lot about you.

Wanting sex isn't the point of child support guy.

Don't 'guy' me it's condescending AF

If we're talking about laws then of course the sex part is important. It's all part of the process

Guys can feel guilt over abortions too. I don't claim its more guilt or anything but I'd still feel bad. I'd consider it the lesser of two evils though compared to me disappearing from their life forever after they're a sentinent being

But if we want to really break it down (which laws should be, to the finest element) I cant see how what you're saying is fair to one of the parties involved in the process

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Darmik posted...

Use condoms
Check what birth control your partner is on and how safe that is.

If that's still not enough for you

Get the snip.

It's not hard. This is why sexual education is important for people like you who think the snip is irreversible and yet expect women to be responsible for absolutely everything.

A world where child support is opt-in is a world where there is no consequence or responsibility for deadbeat fathers.

I don't expect women to be responsible for everything - you think they shouldn't be responsible for anything. Ignoring my snip comment which I admit was dumb - I just think the balance of power shold be a tiny bit moved away from the direction you seem to think it should reside in

If sex was something that men wanted more (which is a stereotype) then I'd agree with you a lot more.

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Cleo_II posted...

Its mind boggling how some people do not understand this.

Pregnancy is no walk in the park either. My friend went into early labor recently and ended up in the ICU. She had multiple seizures and passed out. Doctors managed to save her and the babys lives, but she had mobility and vision issues for weeks. The baby stayed at the hospital a couple of weeks before she can bring him home. She has always been healthy, active and with no underlying issues.

No one should get to decide if a woman should take that sort of risk or not.

Yeah pregnancy is brutal. Almost not worth going through when the alternative is so quick and painless

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Darmik posted...

Cool. That's why you don't pay until after it's born.

Nope. I had sex for 10 years without any unwanted pregnancies.

Lmao okay 9 months to save up before a lifetime of payments. Awesome!

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Okay so every male should get the snip. Problem fixed. I guess these surgeries aren't so traumatic after all. Abortions should also get the reputation as the run of the mill clinical procedures they are

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Darmik posted...

It's not about the man and it's not about justice.

It's about giving that child a fair opportunity to live their life.

The man cannot force a woman to go through an abortion because it's not his body. The man cannot ignore that he has a child.

Saying "If you don't have an abortion I give up any and all responsibility for that child and I'm not liable for a single thing' is not justice for that child.

The fairest thing possible is if someone else can take over his role as father but I have no idea how that could be handled.

It's not about justice? Sorry I'm still a person with my own financial needs too. In fact when this potential child is still a tadpole my life is more important

I just can't shake this vibe that you think sex is the highly risky thing that people should be excessively careful about before doing. Yes I'll use a condom.

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Not every sexual encounter needs a goddamn 5 point contingency plan with lawyers overseeing contracts before the encounter can happen

Your viewpoint doesn't work in reality, people have drunken sex upon meeting

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If women deserve 100, not 50, not 90 but 100% of the decision to keep or abort a baby, then getting 100% of the benefit/power from the child support ruling/law when it was a 50-50 choice to have sex(ideally) is not justice

I don't know much about child support but are their circumstances when a man in my position only has to pay a small amount? Rather then covering the cost of the child's upbringing 50-50. If I was charged say 10% on a child I wanted aborted then I could accept that

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Darmik posted...

Maybe you should actually learn what your options are before automatically expecting women to abort their babies for your own benefit.

Instead of y'know, complaining about terms like snip.

What about a situation where the women instigated the sexual encounter that lead to the pregnancy? As in she wanted it more.

Because I get this vibe from some posters that sex is almost men's 'fault' and men should accept the 'consequences' of sex, of their filthy heathen carnal desires lol

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i guess for me i seem to only encounter pro-life people who are also bible thumpers so in my mind it's hard to ever consider their position on an argument a rational one

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Darmik posted...

Snips are reversible.

This is why sex education is also important.

then maybe you shouldn't call it a 'snip' because that word conjures up some pretty irreversible images doesn't it?

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okay maybe i'll consider this snip then. but that's a little more 'final' and 'irreversible' than one single, early stage abortion. like if you do it early enough it's basically just like painless flushing out of a tadpole

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when you want to break it down i can't see how

super early stage abortion(like immediately after finding out you're pregnant) could ever be considered 'worse' than letting a kid grow up with a dad who didn't want to ever know about it(me)

i'd happily pay for the abortion but i would not be cool with years of child support over something i didn't really want.

if my option is to abstain from sex my whole well then that's pretty damn stupid

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Darmik posted...

Err what do you think the single mothers are doing exactly?

What is this argument supposed to be? Some Mothers are bad so men shouldn't have to pay child support? What?

Take sexual protection very seriously with your partner or get the snip to remove the possibility.

mate girls can get pregnant off precum. you can use a condom, it can maybe slide down or break or anything like that and you can still pull out(or not even finish at all) but a bit of liquid with sperm in it might land in there

I know I'm talking like 1-2% scenarios here but it's still a chance and I've lost sleep over it once when dating this heaps religious girl who was anti-abortion(but had no issues with sex before marriage)

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