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FFDragon posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPaSlnB8Pkc

Turns out Undertaker is a pretty good card? Who knew!

Pretty sure it's got to be correct even if you're going with this strategy to tier up to tier 2 at some point, right?

Yeah, you get more saurolisks by staying on tier 1, but you get more deathrattles by upgrading to tier 2 (only 3 deathrattles on tier 1, mecharoo, servant, and selfless hero).

Stay tier 1 till you get a critical mass of saurolisks, and then upgrade to tier 2 which adds +7 deathrattles in the pool and an extra shop slot--something like that?

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Oh also, apparently they finally fixed the boomsday puzzles so that you can beat them again (the ones that were broken by holy smite and PWS changes).

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So I've seen this bug mentioned by more than one person now so I'm guessing it's a real thing.

Renounce Darkness now gives you an upgraded hero power of whatever class you turn into.

Probably a bug, but hey, I'm not going to complain about an excuse to play renounce darkness, I have a golden renounce I've saved for just such an occasion.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

I think especially on 2 gold it's valuable compared to a freeze and floating 2 gold. You end up with the thing that you wanted AND you get a reroll to see 3 or 4 choices that might be worth freezing.

Yes, although only if there's nothing on your board you can sell right now.

(Often with 2 gold left you just sell something, have 3 gold, buy the thing you want and play it).

But there are definitely situations where you can't sell anything on your board (like...you have 3 pairs and don't want to ditch any of them). In which case yes, definitely hero power over freezing with 2 mana left.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

I feel like there are some turns where this will just naturally make sense to do.

Turn 5 without a token can be a solid buy/reroll/dormant turn and turns where you are expecting to level the following turn you can squeeze in the 1 mana buy and know that you weren't going to reroll much (if at all) on the following turn so you mitigate the number of rerolled units you are passing on seeing.

Turn 8 comes to mind for this as well bedcause turn 9 is such a common Upgrade for 6 and Buy 1 thing turn.

Or if you see a pair and you aren't sure you can justify throwing 3 gold at a unit that you might not ever triple it can be a good investment there as well and so the buffed copy might just sit in your hand all game but you only paid 1 gold for it and you'll end up hitting more triples overall?

Just some thoughts.

Yes, definitely you want to hero power if you are levelling next turn.

I actually ran some analysis on Maiev

https://old.reddit.com/r/BobsTavern/comments/gijiur/thinking_through_maievs_hero_power/

Assuming you don't care too much about either the delay or the +1/+1...

NEVER hero power when you have 3 mana left; just buy.

But...even in the lategame, if you have 1, or sometimes 2 mana left, it's still correct to hero power rather than freeze for a minion you want. You will see more total options in Bob's Tavern that way, because Freeze is like a wasted reroll, and spending 3 mana to buy the minion next turn is like 3 wasted rerolls.

If you have 1 mana left and there's two minions you want, you want to freeze and hero power. If you freeze and double buy next turn you only get 4 rerolls anyway. Freeze hero power buy is 7 rerolls next turn, which is noticeably better even with a missing tavern slot.

(Basically, any time you're spending a lot of mana on something other than rerolls next turn, hero power gets better; e.g. if you are levelling next turn).

Overall you lose the equivalent of about 1.2 rerolls next turn when you hero power rather than freeze for something...which...on average makes it 2.2 mana buy that you can only use when you have 1-2 mana left.

That's...actually better in the lategame than I expected it would be. Not like Nozdormu levels where you get a free mana every turn, but like...it's definitely correct to sometimes use it in lategame.

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Patch out.

Stuff clarified about the new heroes:

Vashj is +1 star level on each minion in bob's shop. (Basically what I expected, but I did see some people wondering if it would be the tavern tier above where you're at).

Maiev does indeed lock a spot in the shop (you can reroll but the dormant minion stays and occupies a slot). It'll take some time for people to learn how to play this right--the one streamer I saw was hero powering into the lategame, and I'm pretty sure that's just the wrong play. You want to hero power early when you want more buys, and not hero power late when you want more rolls.

Watching streamers I have seen some moderately big Saurolisks. Like 28/24 taunt when golden. Guess it's not bad if you golden it early and use a Houndmaster buff on it.

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azuarc posted...

Maiev looks...weird. I feel like her ability is just what you do when you're at the end of your rolls, you see something like Brann, you've got one gold, and you decide you want it for later. There might be some clever ways to use it in the early game, but delaying an early game minion for two turns just sounds bad.

I mean, assuming there's no downside to her such as locking out a shop spot in Bob's Tavern, her hero power is a lot like Rafaam's hero power. Spend 1 mana, get a minion later. (2 turns later instead of 1 turn later, but the minion is better--like instead of Tabby Cats and Vulgar Homonculuses, actually minions you want, and give them +1/+1).

I suspect her opening would be like...

3 mana: buy (maybe sell a token and hero power--unlike Rafaam this isn't risky)

4 mana: buy + hero power

5 mana: level, roll to get a 2 star, hero power.

6 mana: various options here, including levelling.

I think that opener looks good almost regardless of how her hero power works with rerolls in bob's tavern. The question is whether dormant minions lock out a spot in Bob's Tavern, and if they don't, then you just keep hero powering all game like Rafaam does (and she would be very good I think). If they do lock out slots in bob's tavern, then you basically only use her hero power in the earlygame like Sindragosa.

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azuarc posted...

I'm actually most curious about the new minion, though. It's like Crowd Favorite for deathrattles...is that good?

I doubt it's good, or at least I don't think the scaling is good.

Health matters way more than attack in general, and that thing starts on 1 health. Bad buy on turn 1, loses to Alley Cat, Red Whelp, Murloc Tidehunter, Mecharoo, Righteous Protector, Vulgar Homonculus. Might be worth buying on 1 anyway with the hope of being strong later? Some people do buy wrath weaver on 1....

The relevant comparison is to Wrath Weaver, but WW gets +2/+2 not +1/+1. The new minion doesn't grow fast enough to really scale like WW does. And I don't think starting as a 3/1 instead of a 1/1 really saves it.

What I will say is that there's a lot of tier 2 deathrattles. 7/17 tier 2 minions are deathrattles, including a lot of top tier picks like Spawn of N'Zoth, Kaboom Bot, Imprisoner, Rat Pack. But there's very few tier 3 or 4 deathrattles. So like...there's a world where you double buy on 5 mana (selling something) buying this and then a deathrattle (it grows to 4/2). Double buy deathrattles on 6 mana (it grows to 6/4) buy deathrattle and tier up on 7 mana (it grows to 7/5). 7/5 coming out of tier 2 is big enough to stick around on your board for a bit, but you'll probably still end up selling it off for your endgame comp.

So...my expectation is earlygame minion, and sometimes a strong pick on tavern tier 2, but don't expect to see it in a lot of endgame comps.

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Maiev looks a bit like Yogg--a 1 mana buy is strong.

But man, I have so many questions about how she works--if you roll Bob's tavern, do the dormant minions get rolled away? Do the dormant minions stay but eat up a board space? Do the dormant minions stay but not eat up a board space?

Kael just looks like a Rat King variant, and Vashj looks like an Elise variant. Elise and Rat King are both like...high tier 3 heroes, solidly playable, but variants on those designs seem unlikely to break anything.

But depending on how Maiev is implemented, she could be anywhere from broken tier to bottom tier, and I really can't tell just by reading the hero power how it will work.

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New patch:

https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/hearthstone/23418923/hearthstone-updates-may-12-patch-17-2

Rearranging deckslots in the deck collection.

1 new battlegrounds minion and 3 new battlegrounds heroes.

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azuarc posted...

I finished in upper diamond, I reached rank 1 but I think I fell back to 3.

I'm on something like gold 5 now.

And you have no star multiplier left? That's really weird if so--you should have star multiplier until at least diamond 10 if you hit diamond 5 last season.

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azuarc posted...

My bonus stars did not take me anywhere close to where I had been the month before.

Should be one rank floor below where you were in the previous month (or higher).

E.g. if you finished in diamond 5-1, bonus stars should take you to at least diamond 10.

(Can be higher, but that's dependent on MMR).

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In my continued search to find a deck with a higher than 50% winrate in standard I tried out super budget demon hunter. DH with several cards missing (no Kayn, no Metamorphosis, only one copy of Warglaives of Azinoth).

Immediately winstreaked.

Well...ok then.

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Well, continuing to look for a solid deck for standard.

Tried Dragon Hunter cause it has been showing good numbers. 1-2 so far :/

Facing a bunch of demon hunters though; where were these when I was trying to climb with warrior?

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Interesting video on the iterations they went through with DH design:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMfsmG057UU

Some of the stuff I'm glad they dialed back on. Like...Fel Summoner used to be recruit, not pull from hand, and used to be a 4/6 taunt. Raging Felscreamer used to reduce the cost of a demon in your hand by 5. Glad they decided to nerf the cheating out demons cards and just make the demons worth playing at full cost.

ShatteredElysium posted...

Only thing I've been able to get to work is like dragons or murlocs. Anytime I try anything else it ends badly

There's a few viable comps in battlegrounds.

Mechs you usually want to buff a big Deflect-o-bot and add a bunch of ways to reset the divine shield. You can also often just use divine shield synergy like Bolvar, Holy Mackarel etc because a lot of mechs have divine shield, and those that don't can get divine shield from magnetic.

Don't go mechs unless you see a Deflect-o-bot on tier 3.

Demons are mostly juggler comps, so Soul Juggler + Void Lord kind of things. Don't go demons unless you pick up Soul Juggler on tier 3.

(There is another demon comp which is built around Floating Watcher + Wrath Weaver, and then just buying and selling a bunch of demons to make 100/100 units. Used to be meta dominating, not very popular right now, but sometimes it still works. Again, you'd want to be offered the right minions, though).

Beasts are kind of just a worse plan than Dragons most of the time. You either get an early Mama Bear and make your beasts huge, or you get Goldrinn the Great Wolf, taunt it, buy a Baron Rivendare and make your beasts huge that way. There are some early beast combos (pack leader + Rat Pack) but you end up replacing those with endgame stuff anyway, so you can buy them early to be strong for a few turns, but that's not really a commitment to beasts.

Deathrattle comps are a thing. These will try to get a Baron Rivendare, and some golden deathrattles. Various variations on these.

I've heard Menagerie is back now (one of each minion type) but I haven't had much success with it myself.

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ShatteredElysium posted...

What is the 'average' rating for Battlegrounds?

Strictly speaking 4000, because that's where everyone starts, and when one person gains points during a match, another person loses just as many points.

That said, there's a whole lot of new players who play a few games, feed MMR to people who know what they are doing, and then quit.

Average among people who actually play on a daily basis is probably 5500ish yeah.

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Battlegrounds matches that you win or come 2nd tend to be pretty long, yeah.

Battlegrounds matches that you lose early can be pretty fast >_>

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Mmm...not feeling good about Egg Warrior for climbing standard, at least not the list I have now. Obviously my focus has been wild this month, but I had another play 3 games of warrior so...I did. 1-2 record, losing a mirror (they went first and got a bunch of face damage in, I didn't draw armoursmiths). Beating a Highlander mage, though that's not supposed to be a favoured matchup, just got a rampage+bloodsworn combo off. Losing to a highlander hunter, and not feeling like I had a good way to answer just...a big ol' whelp or a divine shield winfury Siamat.

This is mirroring previous experiences I had with the deck which felt slightly sub 50%. I find the deck fun, but maybe I'll play it in casual or something cause I'm not really getting results out of it right now.

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ShatteredElysium posted...

EDIT: Seems like the common google answer is pick the Mage deck?

I'm not a huge fan of advising people who are really new/haven't played in a long time to pick the mage deck--yeah, if you have a big collection already, the two new "if your deck contains no duplicates" cards are good, but if you don't have a big collection every deck that uses them costs a ton of dust.

Rogue is fine.

Priest is fine if you really want a slow grinding control deck with hour long games.

Warrior is actually fine as well. Most of the guides that are out there came out before the set actually showed up, but Warrior is actually surprisingly solid. A lot of cards that people thought would "only be good in pirate warrior" turn out to be used in...basically all the warrior decks right now. Turns out the weapon that draws a pirate is good in control warrior when there's a pirate which is also a board clear.

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I don't really like the design of Alex.

Like if it was "when you level up to tier 5, discover two tier 5 minions" -- ok that's would be cool, you get a bit of a power spike on 5.

But discover two dragons--man...the variance on that is kinda gross. Dragons vary from tier 1 to tier 6. And you're kind of encouraged to build dragons when you know you'll get two dragons. And it turns out the two dragons with the highest synergy with other dragons happen to be tier 5 and tier 6.

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I believe 7000+ is roughly the wall where above that MMR you still get matched with the same people (7000-13000). Your MMR only rises from there if you place higher than 4.5 on average. (People at 11000 MMR lose points for 4th and barely gain points for 3rd).

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Feeling pretty unsure what to climb with in standard. I'm running egg warrior, which should be fine in theory (I have a couple substitutions) but I'm going pretty 50-50. Been mostly playing against Galakrond Rogue, which...supposedly their worst matchup is face hunter, so maybe that? I'd really rather not sink dust into Toxic Reinforcements, though....

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So I was playing discard zoo warlock in wild, good deck I thought, what I used to climb last season.

Couldn't beat demon hunters. Like...even the lost and confused demon hunters that seemed like they wandered into wild with a standard deck. (Couldn't beat the legit wild Demon Hunters either, but the losses to the all standard card DHs were particularly insulting).

So...I joined them. Didn't craft any cards for it mind you. No metamorphosis. No Patches the Pirate. Only 1 copy of the epic weapon. Running off-meta stuff like Firefly and Blackwald Pixie. First thing that happened was I forgot to put Baku into my deck and then beat a control warlock anyway XD. But just in general the deck did really quite well. Eventually saw some other DH running stuff like Beaming Sidekick and Leeroy, so I copied them and cut the really janky stuff like Fire Fly/Blackwald. (Although maybe Fire Fly is better than Blazing Battlemage? Might need to think more about that one. I think there's arguments for Dire Mole and Glacial Shard as well; although maybe Frozen Shadoweaver is better than glacial shard?)

The one deck I faced more than once that I just couldn't seem to beat was the new value-oriented pirate warrior (the one that gets an Ancharr off of a Corsair Cache and gives it +5 durability by running every upgrade effect in the game so that they draw their whole deck). I could run weapon removal for that deck, but that might be too specific; maybe running some of those freeze minions (Glacial Shard or Frozen Shadoweaver) is the right call.

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You don't take a late mama, obviously. Early mama is great. Late mama...by that point you're probably a Goldrinn comp and won't get much out of her.

If I tier up to 5 with no clear direction and see Goldrinn, even with no beasts I will consider transitioning to beasts, granted. I wouldn't be as happy as I would be finding Brann or Baron on 5, but at least it's a direction.

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So...the last three days in a row my daily quest was play 3 games of Druid--I don't really have a standard druid deck, or a wild druid deck, but I know the tavern brawl deck is pretty good. So...9 more games of Tavern Brawl druid. Pretty high winrate against priests and other druids. I did lose to the one Dragon Hunter I faced. (Funny story too, I only own a single copy of Embiggen, and wasn't crafting an extra one just for this brawl, so the deck could be better).

Modifications I made--I put in Escaped Manasaber as an additional target for Menagerie Warden. And then I cut Menagerie Warden--people too often would just kill Winged Guardians before I could play warden, and warden would just sit in my hand. Wasn't great off of strength in numbers either. (Swapped in Evasive Draconid--this deck seems to win the lategame pretty consistently against everything common, so it just needs some more reliable taunt/survivability). Possibly I should cut escaped manasaber now that I don't have menagerie warden in there, but *shrug* it's ramp, it's a playable card on turn 4 when the thing I'm worried about dying to is early beatdown, probably not the worst card to be running. Also, I think if I could I would probably run Ysera Unleashed (another card I have no intention of crafting, but I nearly always picked it off of discover a dragon effects).

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I think beasts as a comp got a little bit worse since dragons came out.

Used to be that if you had no obvious direction on tier 3 (no floating watcher/cobalt) and tiered up to 5, there were only two comps that got a power spike on 5/6 (beasts and murlocs) and beast transitions are way, way easier than murloc transitions. (Also the other two tribes, demons and mechs, didn't have much on 5 at the time).

Now there's also dragons which get a big power spike on 5/6, and dragons are better than beasts overall, and also fairly easy to transition to. (And also you might like have a dragon comp from tier 2-4, whereas beast comps are way rarer).


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In more interesting Tavern Brawl synergies: apparently there's so few paladin cards that Lightforged Crusader often generates itself.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

The people who complain about this deck are basically insufferable idiots. It can only win through highroll draws and highroll RNG.

You might prefer the stealth package instead of the secret package. The secret package is really good, but if you have bad draw luck you'll draw your secrets without your blackjack stunners/shadowjewler or vice versa. Whereas a 3/1 stealth for 1 is just a solid card--basically a 1 mana 3 damage removal.

Rogue Galakrond is still an RNG clown fiesta, though, and Rogue is basically a terrible class right now without its Galakrond package.

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So the format in GM this week involves every player bringing a deck for all 10 classes, and then 6 classes getting banned, with only four classes not getting banned. Turns out most people are not banning Druid, and Druid actually has a losing record overall despite not being banned:

https://twitter.com/LorindaGames/status/1256322615339188224

Makes sense I guess, Druid isn't good against Totem Shaman or Murloc Paladin, which almost everyone is bringing.

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Back to the tavern brawl, people are figuring out interesting tricks with the dragon that adds two 1-cost spells to your hand thanks to the small cardpool.

Guaranteed to add Boom Squad for Warrior (the discover a lackey, dragon or mech card).

Guaranteed to add Storm's Wrath for Shaman (not sure if this is useful, but decent card).

Rogue has Dragon's Hoard and Praise Galakrond, although I think there might be some rule where invoke cards don't get generated as some people are reporting managing to produce pure Dragon's Hoard out of it.

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Ehh, no it definitely has counters. Like HSReplay is showing it as having sub-30% winrates against Res Priest and Big Druid.

Risky Skipper turns deal a maximum of 3 AoE Damage. Which is great at killing a demon hunter board, but not great at clearing a board of druid minions. And the deck has a bit of Unleash the Hounds style effect where it's weaker the fewer minions are played against it early. Flood the board early and you'll face a 0 mana Bloodboil Brute. Don't play minions and Bloodboil Brute can't be played till turn 6 or so.

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So apparently Warrior has the best winrates in top 1000 legend:

https://twitter.com/TiagoTaparelli/status/1256212117516156930

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MMR has a long memory, but it does slowly decay if you don't play for a while.

Also, if you make a new account, and stomp newbies, this puts your MMR fairly high (like after going through new player ranks, people who know what they're doing often end up with like 8 bonus stars).

Getting bonus stars from purely MMR is hard to control, though. The only surefire way to get a lot of bonus stars is just to get a high finish.

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It's been pointed out to me that there are other classes that discover from a small card pool.

Twisted Knowledge in warlock discovers two warlock cards and can discover itself. If you can manage to stay alive while chaining twisted knowledges, you can out-value everything eventually. It discovers warlock minions too though, so I'm not sure how reliable it is. But still, the dream of endless Nether Breaths is out there.

Mage has only 8 spells, and two different cards that discover spells: Arcane Breath, and Etherial Conjurer. And some pretty good spells to discover such as Firelands Portal and Forgotten Torch (and Arcane Breath of course).

Paladin has Ivory Knight, but all the paladin spells are total garbage lol. (I'm not joking, they have 6 1-2 cost spells, and their only spells that cost more than 2 are Silvermoon Portal, Solemn Vigil, and Anyfin can Happen. And no, there aren't enough murlocs for Anyfin--there are only three murlocs available to Paladin in the format--murloc tinyfin, Sir Finley, and Tastey Flyfish).

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OK, found another viable non-Galakrond deck for this tavern brawl.

Embiggen Druid.

Remember Menagerie Warden? The 6 mana 5/5 that copies a beast? Yep, that can target Winged Guardian.

Also, Raven Idol. There's only 9 spells in this format. Four of them are Raven Idol, Breath of Dreams, Embiggen, and Strength in Numbers.

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I did it! I beat a Galakrond deck with a non-galakrond deck in the tavern brawl. (Dragon Hunter running Brann, Mad Scientist, Drakonid Crusher, and 1x Quickshot. Basically a standard list other than those cards).

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Though on the subject of the adventures, how worth is it to buy Awakening with gold?

It's on the mid lower end of power level for adventures. (And I don't just mean "weaker relative to the time"--there's more cards seeing play right now in wild from Naxx compared to Awakening, Awakening actually is kinda low power outside of a small number of cards).

That said...if you want to play warrior right now you do need the adventure--Risky Skipper is the centerpiece of every warrior deck right now, and Bomb Wrangler is a 2/3 Imp Gang Boss that summons boom bots.

Control Mage wants Reno, the new hero card. It's a good board clear, a heal, and an upgraded hero power.

Paladin adventure cards are...good, but you can build decks without them (unless you had your heart set on making Murloc Paladin). They will make your paladin decks better though.

Hunter you only really need it for Draogn Hunter (and highlander hunter I suppose, since highlander hunter runs all the dragon hunter cards)

Priest is fully optional

Rogue is fully optional

Shaman is fully optional

Warlock is fully optional

Neutrals--there's a couple of quest payoff cards if you want to make quest decks.

Other neutrals...Escaped Manasaber is a quality card for slower decks, basically neutral ramp (4 mana 3/5 stealth, gain 1 temporary mana crystal when it attacks). Some of the other neutrals are okay too--Frenzied Felwing used to be everywhere but got nerfed; might still be playable in some decks but definitely sounds replaceable now. Boompistol Bully is Loatheb for battlecries--it's a tech card you can definitely cut it, but it's nice if you want to counter a certain deck.

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Ooh, ok, so the brawl this week is the kind of brawl I tend to enjoy.

Brawl Block, where they combine multiple sets together.

This time they're just combining all of the adventures (cool) aaaand Descent of Dragons.

I got excited at first, threw together a shaman deck with tunnel troggs and maelstrom portal, and got utterly bopped by Galakrond Zoo Warlock. Then I turned around and utterly bopped some poor hunter with Galakrond Rogue. Pretty sure this brawl is "just play Galakrond dummy" the format. Although apparently some people have had success with Reno mage. (You can run OG Reno, hero reno, and DQ Alex; maybe that's enough). Dragon Hunter might be good too.

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Congrats man!

And my vote for golden legendary would be Teron, seeing as the card is super interesting and you just hit legend with it.

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I mean, I got into magic the gathering cause a lot of my friends were playing it. I got into Hearthstone cause a lot of my friends were playing it. Once I got into the games I played them a bunch on my own, but I needed the hook first.

I'm sure if a lot of my freinds end up playing Runeterra I'll follow along. But right now instead my friends are roping me into Fel Seal: Arbiter's Mark (FFT clone). And also are tempting me to start learning LttP randomizer. That's enough new games for me at the moment.

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VeryInsane posted...

Feel like the fun classes right now are Warrior, Priest, and Mage.

Priest is enjoyable to play as long as you're not playing against another priest. Then it's just awful.

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skullbone posted...

Just ran into a Shaman that was playing Doomhammer. I thought it was an odd choice for Shaman in 2020 until he plays Zephyr and got Inner Demon to hit me in the face for 20.

Okay I think I'm officially sick of Zephyr now too

I mean, the Doomhammer setup is way more of a meme than actually good.

1. You doomhammer, hope they don't ooze it.
2. Then you pass your next turn because you're overloaded so only have 8 mana. Hope they don't ooze your doomhammer or freeze your face for another turn.
3. And then, if all goes well and your opponent doesn't have a taunt and is below 20 health, you can get Inner Demon off of Zephrys.

That's an awful lot of work when you could just put two Rockbiter Weapons into your deck instead and deal almost as much damage for way less mana.

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Well...gave in and crafted Teron Gorefiend...and tried it out in........wild Egg hunter.

Teron is cool. Wild Egg Hunter is ehhh. At least the list I copied. It felt pretty heavy on 3 drops (often I wouldn't have anything to play on 2 after I mulliganed everything), and often 3 drops were just deathrattles that were awkward to play on their own. Not entirely sold on this spawn of N'Zoth that was included in the list I copied.

Still got some wins somehow.

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I'm watching nohandsgamer play Teron Gorefiend + Lion face hunter.

Deck seems...complicated, despite being a face hunter deck.

I'm starting to think decks with Teron Gorefiend in them are just inherently complicated decks.

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Just took a look at where Millhouse landed post-nerf.

Looks like solidly tier 2 now (slightly above the winrate of Sir Finley, slightly below the winrate of Yogg).

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So...turns out Replicat-o-tron has a bad interaction with freeze effects, where the replicat-o-tron copies trigger before freeze wears off, and then freeze doesn't wear off on the copies so they stay frozen for an extra turn :(

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UltimaterializerX posted...

Botting is how.

IDK about that; some people on reddit just want all the portraits, and since they're in quarantine they can play hearthstone all day (and Demon Hunter games are fast).

You'd need to spend like 10 hours per day playing only demon hunter, but I mean, there are definitely streamers who play 10 hours per day, so it shouldn't be too much of a surprise that there's some non-streamers who do it too.

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Thinking about crafting a warrior deck.

Stuff I'm feeling ok about potentially crafting:

Ancharr (seems to be needed for every warrior deck right now)
1x Livewire Lance (Just appeals to me more than the Wrenchcalibur package)
Teron Gorefiend (just seems like the kind of thing I like doing--especially a big Teron into Bloodsworn Mercenary, also used in a few wild decks)

Stuff I am a lot more hesitant about touching

Warmaul Challenger (obviously really good with Teron, but ehh...it's epic--maybe I can just run Restless Mummy instead?)
Kargath Bladefist (Good but not core. Do I need it?)
Deathwing Mad Aspect (Good but not core. Do I need it?)
Wrenchcalibur (Just sounds less fun than Livewire Lance, also I don't own a single copy yet)

I do already have Quest, Grommash Hellscream, Captain Greenskin, Blastmaster Boom, 2x Bloodsworn Mercenary 1x Livewire Lance, and 2x Bladestorm.

Thinking I can maybe make a slightly off-meta Egg Warrior and slightly off meta Quest Warrior?

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Aha, the Lorewalker Cho Quest Paladin guide we have all been waiting for:

https://old.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveHS/comments/g6p3dq/a_comprehensive_quest_pala_guide/

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So...haven't crafted any of the rares I'm missing from last year, started to think about how long it'll take to get them all from end of season rewards.

I'm missing...

1x Treeinforcements
2x Conjurer's Calling
1x Brazen Zealot
2x Underbelly Fence
2x Sludge Slurper
2x Corrupt Elementalist
2x Mogu Fleshshaper
1x Plague of Flames
1x Eager Underling
1x Faceless Corruptor

So...15 rares. Two end of season reward months and I should get...basically everything right? (7 rares per season; 14 after two months).

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Kibler is playing hack the system warrior...and I actually think he might have a point.

Warrior has really good anti-aggro tools, like any build of warrior with the core Risky Skipper Ancharr Armoursmith package is going to beat Demon Hunter. But warrior struggles against greedy decks like Reno Mage. Hack the system gives you a lategame engine to actually fight those decks.

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So...apparently there are some people putting Lorewalker Cho into Libram Paladin, and then filling up people's hands with 2 cost Libram of Wisdom (which costs 0 if the opponent passes it back).

I...kinda want to try that actually >_>

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