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red sox 777
04/29/20 12:15:58 PM
#456
My DAL did well the past couple days. Are there any other sectors where the stocks are still down more than 65% from the peak?

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TopicImagine you're running for President of the United States
red sox 777
04/29/20 2:51:46 AM
#52
There is something offputting about this poll.....well let's see. If we adopt the "omniscient" interpretation, the options reduce to:

  1. I believe I'm omniscient.
  2. I believe I'm not omniscient.
The implied premise appears to be that sexual harassment or sexual assault is mainly a product of failure to be omniscient, as opposed to not caring about how others feel. So I guess I don't like the poll options.

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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 294: Kim Jong ill
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04/29/20 2:33:05 AM
#220
Elizabeth Warren, this is your chance to redeem yourself for your failure to endorse Bernie twice. Enter the race as a third-party candidate. Guarantee Biden's defeat.

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TopicImagine you're running for President of the United States
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04/29/20 2:31:11 AM
#50
As for selecting option 2 and being a bad person, maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it's sounding like someone who selects this is going through life indifferent to how others feel. Because you aren't bothering to see how others feel. That's not good in my book.

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04/29/20 2:23:27 AM
#49
CaptainOfCrush posted...
Pretty much. As we've already discussed to an extent, someone can select Option 2 without being a bad person. It's not really meant to assess your character, but whether you can acknowledge that some time during your life, you may have said something which made someone feel sexually uncomfortable.

And yet, more than half the voters (it was 60% earlier) are resolute in their assertion that no way could that EVER have happened.

No, I think the question is not asking whether someone could feel you made them uncomfortable. It's asking if you think anyone has actually felt uncomfortable. For people who do not engage in casual hookups, they are generally pretty sensitive to how the other person feels. And in answering this question, people have the advantage of answering after the fact based on their feeling for how other people felt.

As for people one meets in passing, since it was specifically stated that any accusations would have to be sincere - people understand that making an accusation like this is a serious thing, and they are unlikely to do it over behavior that they did not feel was serious. So I think it's unlikely for any sincere accusations to come from people one met in passing.

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04/28/20 10:05:54 PM
#248
LordoftheMorons posted...
Theres no way we can know for sure (even if Reades supposed 1993 police report turned up it would still not prove that he did it) and I would certainly not convict him if I was on a criminal jury. We can, however, assess the evidence and come to our own conclusions about how likely it is that he did it.

What's concerning to me is that you said that you based your percentages in large part on a journalist who you see as credible reporting it. That is an crazy high level of trust in the media, if you ask me.

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04/28/20 9:58:42 PM
#209
LordoftheMorons posted...
The DPA lets Trump force companies to make X instead of Y, but Im not sure they can compel them to reopen.

In other news, Amash is officially running for President as a Libertarian.

That might not be bad news. At this point Amash might pull more votes from Biden than Trump.

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04/28/20 9:56:49 PM
#246
Also, generally, a President is not a Roman censor, he is not the Pope, he is not necessarily a role model for others. Our first President owned hundreds of slaves. Another ordered the deaths of 150,000+ civilians in Japan. Frankly if we had tried to vote for the most righteous citizen to be President rather than the most effective, over the past 230 years, our country would have long ceased to exist.

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04/28/20 9:53:24 PM
#245
LordoftheMorons posted...
The Rich McHugh article has definitely made me rethink things a bit. Before I thought there was maybe a 10% chance that Biden did it; now its up to, I dont know, 70%? There are still a lot of red flags but this is actually something concrete from a reporter I respect.

That said, even if Biden did it theres still a huge gap between what hes accused of and what Trumps been accused of (hell, Trump literally bragged about doing almost exactly this in the Access Hollywood tape!) and we cannot under any circumstances afford another four years of this shit. Im still gonna wait and see as things continue to progress, but if at the end of the day Im convinced he did it I will not consider myself to be a supporter of his, even if he does have my vote against Trump.

LOTM, I hope this is making you realize that there is no way we can determine if Biden did it or not by relying on media reports like this.

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04/28/20 7:47:27 PM
#222
Mr Lasastryke posted...
watch out, here comes "center right" corrik telling people how conservative they are

Corrik is center right. At least in America.

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TopicImagine you're running for President of the United States
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04/28/20 6:34:56 PM
#18
Also, "could have made someone feel uncomfortable" was not the question. The question was about someone going public with claims of sexual impropriety. I think I read that as not counting, for instance, Joe Biden giving shoulder rubs.

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04/28/20 6:33:30 PM
#17
CaptainOfCrush posted...
And to expand - I understand that this is a community with a relatively high percentage of introverts and people fairly inexperienced with sex or flirtation, but even when considering that, I'm surprised and disappointed by these results.

60% of us (through 57 votes) are completely confident we have never interacted with someone in a way that could have possibly caused that person to feel sexually uncomfortable. This is opening my eyes a bit as to how difficult a time we may have being honest with ourselves with stuff like this.

How many partners do you expect people to have had? I think that's a perfectly reasonable confidence level for people who never have sexual interactions except with people they have close relationships with, who they know well.

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red sox 777
04/28/20 6:26:15 PM
#208
Inviso posted...
But you WERE supporting sexual assault by voting against Hillary. Just like you're supporting sexual assault by voting for Donald Trump, and I'm supporting sexual assault by voting for Joe Biden. At least now we're equals now, so maybe you won't feel so defensive about discussing why we're so willing to excuse sexual assault.

You've reduced "supporting sexual assault" to "being an American citizen of voting age." If that's how you see it, can you really be surprised people don't think it's an important issue?

At some point, you need to take a step back and ask yourself if your framework really makes sense. And if it is useful.

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red sox 777
04/28/20 6:22:23 PM
#205
Inviso posted...
...I have no idea what this metaphor is supposed to be. Like, alcoholism = sexual assault in this, right? People drinking water are not supporting alcoholism because they're not drinking alcohol. People allowing politicians who commit sexual assault (Biden and Trump) to come to power despite said allegations...ARE therefore supporting sexual assault by saying that it's okay.

People who drink water don't see themselves as supporting alcoholism. If you tell them they actually do support alcoholism, do you think they will believe you? It's more likely they will just ignore everything you have to say. If you follow up with a carefully researched study about the dangers of alcoholism and how we can combat it, but you lead with, anyone who drinks water supports alcoholism, no one will pay any attention to your study. Because you've started off by discrediting yourself.

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04/28/20 6:19:02 PM
#202
Inviso posted...
What are my options? Genuinely, what are my options? Vote for the sexual assaulter, vote for the sexual assaulter, vote third party and give up my right to have any say in which sexual assaulter is better, or don't vote and give up my right to have any say in which sexual assaulter is better. If you can give me an option that I could choose that would NOT result in one of the two rapists becoming president, I'd love to hear it.

You could have not told half the country for years that just because they didn't like Hillary's policies, they were supporting sexual assault. You could have not told the other half of the country that they were opposing sexual assault by voting for Hillary. Had you done that, you would be taken more seriously when you say that sexual assault is a serious problem. And if a lot of other people in your shoes had done the same thing, the country would be in a different place now.

But no, you can't fix years of errors overnight.

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red sox 777
04/28/20 6:09:34 PM
#198
What you're doing is basically saying, alcohol is bad. Anyone who drinks water supports alcoholism because water is a gateway drug to drinking!

You won't get political support that way. If you want to ban alcohol, pander to water drinkers and praise them and their beverage of choice. If you tell the country that they have to vote for Hillary Clinton or they are XYZ, all they get from that is you are BS-ing them.

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04/28/20 5:59:10 PM
#195
Inviso posted...
Actually, you know what? I'd like to revise my prior post. Yes, you're right that I've become a sexual assault apologist. But in my defense, I would argue that every single person in the country is similarly a sexual assault apologist. Because if I vote for Trump, I'm voting for a rapist. If I vote for Biden, I'm voting for a man who committed sexual assault. If I vote for neither, or cast a pointless vote for a third party, then I'm essentially saying I'm okay with EITHER of the sexual assault candidates being in charge. There's no winning, if you care about sexual assault victims, as I do. Unfortunately, these are the candidates we're stuck with, and at the end of the day, our president is going to be a 70+ white man accused of sexual assault. This is what our country is okay with. We're a country of rape culture and toxic masculinity, and it's all culminated in two rapists in contention for the highest office in the land. Could've had Hillary in 2016. At least half the country weren't rape apologists back then, but now everyone is. Hooray.

Have you considered that there is something wrong with your framework? If being a sexual assault apologist is now involuntary, it's become a completely meaningless term.

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04/28/20 5:44:41 PM
#198
Yeah it seems irrelevant. Whether he borrowed from Deutsche Bank or Bank of China or Wells Fargo - doesn't matter.

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TopicImagine you're running for President of the United States
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04/28/20 5:40:44 PM
#6
CaptainOfCrush posted...
I'm asking if you think anyone in your life may come forward against you with sincere claims of sexual impropriety, regardless as to whether you personally feel you acted inappropriately or not. Please don't derail the topic.

I voted the top option assuming that interpretation.

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04/28/20 5:38:17 PM
#185
Sorry Sephy. You don't deserve to be banned and this board will be a far more boring place without you.


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04/28/20 5:34:48 PM
#4
Where is the option for politically motivated swiftboating from people one has never met?

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04/27/20 8:11:31 PM
#159
Looks like Michael Flynn may be exonerated based on prosecutorial misconduct. Good job to the courts!

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04/27/20 2:57:12 PM
#146
Ashethan posted...
Always knew you were a damn commie!

United forever in friendship and labour
Our mighty republics will ever endure!

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04/27/20 2:19:00 PM
#139
banananor posted...
Does this mean we're putting Biden on the supreme court?

If Bernie were elected as President and wanted to put Biden on the Supreme Court I think you'll find that Republicans will confirm him. He's old, and not very liberal.

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04/27/20 2:11:06 PM
#136
Remember, remember, on the 3rd of November
Vote red while you can still vote!

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04/26/20 9:32:03 PM
#96
This is the same network with wall-to-wall coverage of that flight that went down over the Indian Ocean for weeks, while they provided virtually no actual coverage of the Russian invasion of Crimea (while providing plenty of coverage on what Hillary Clinton, who had no government position at the time, thought about it). It's the centrist version of Fox News, except its executives are much less smart.

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04/26/20 9:23:11 PM
#90
LordoftheMorons posted...
Its not

https://twitter.com/yair_rosenberg/status/1254471269136957440?s=21

It's CNN. I consider them guilty until proven innocent, which is the standard they use to judge others.

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04/26/20 7:27:35 PM
#78
Banning Chinese students would increase our trade deficit. They're paying us hundreds of thousands of dollars per student and we're giving them worthless degrees in return. We should tax colleges as for-profit businesses so that wealth can be shared by the rest of the country though.

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04/25/20 12:21:06 PM
#427
LordoftheMorons posted...
Is it at all possible in your mind that the evidence in one of these cases could be more convincing than in the other?

Well, if you put it that way.....yes. I find Tara Reade more credible. But I'm not going to let my opinion of a presidential candidate or Supreme Court nominee be tarnished based on an opinion formed on such limited facts.

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04/24/20 9:20:43 PM
#395
Jakyl25 posted...
Does Trumps claim that he was joking about injecting disinfectant (with absolutely zero tell in the moment) lend more credence to our earlier argument that he was joking about being involved with models?

No, because Trump's claim that he was joking was a lie. That doesn't mean he was recommending it either. It's more like brainstorming out loud.

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04/24/20 8:07:15 PM
#390
Corrik7 posted...
Non-story that people think it is due to clickbait.

Apparently the Bank of China had a lot of its small retail investors invested in large positions on May oil futures on margin, and they got wiped out. But if they're doing business with Trump, they better have good security for those loans or they're never seeing their money back.

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04/24/20 7:18:20 PM
#386
ChaosTonyV4 posted...
The Biden campaign trotted out the lady who was in charge of handling complaints for him in those days to say something like no Tara never brought up any issues, but now we have this AND Taras former interns told reporters they remember her being replaced abruptly and without explanation.

And just like Kavanaugh, this will amount to nothing.

It won't amount to nothing. Republicans will hammer him over this with nonstop questions about it, the way they questioned Hillary about Benghazi.

But Republicans are shameless. I am not necessarily saying I support this course of attack, but it's fairly likely the attack will happen.

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04/24/20 5:27:29 PM
#383
Also before people compare this to Kavanaugh, Kavanaugh was a high school student when he was alleged to have done something. Biden was a US senator - chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee! It is way way way easier to accuse a high school student than a powerful senator, especially in the 90s. Look at how all the women who accused Bill Clinton were dragged through the mud, threatened with prison sentences, etc.

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04/24/20 5:24:03 PM
#382
LordoftheMorons posted...
It's evidence of her having some issues in Biden's office in 1993, but it's extremely nonspecific as to what those issues are (e.g. it would be consistent with her previous account of the shoulder touching).

What issues could she have had that she felt her only options were going to the press or staying silent?

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TopicWhen does life begin?
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04/24/20 4:55:59 PM
#9
Uglyface2 posted...
Theres no scientific consensus that life is important.

I don't think life cares. Without life, there would be no scientists to form a consensus.

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04/24/20 4:48:09 PM
#374
LordoftheMorons posted...
I understand the feeling, but it's not supposed to be insulting. I'm a grad student in physics and my work is nonessential (though luckily for me I'm a theorist so I can do everything from home; experimentalists are much more limited). That doesn't mean that physics research isn't important; it means that it is not something necessary for getting through this current crisis, and the most important contribution I can make to that effort is to stay home.

My work as a lawyer probably does a lot less good for humanity than your work in physics but it has been deemed essential by the State of California.

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04/24/20 3:08:37 PM
#357
Wanglicious posted...
oh i def agree abortion's are essential. i just get where they're coming from and agree they've got a point as it's a rather important surgical procedure. essential, i mean not for a month delay most likely. it's just an area you shouldn't be callous with and she has been. from a political point of view, it's also not an audience you want to damage since that's gonna usually be old people and those are the ones who vote.

different, much more positive news story to have:
Navy top officials recommend putting Crozier back as commander of the Theodore Roosevelt carrier. he's the one that broke policy and was taken off command. well, both chief of Naval Operations and acting Navy Secretary recommend him to be put back in. defense secretary is asking for more time but no way he doesn't cave. that's on the road for a happy ending since he totally proved to being fantastic.

Trump has final say on that. So who knows which way he will go on it.

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04/24/20 3:02:06 PM
#1
When does life begin?









When does a human life begin?

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04/23/20 5:41:10 PM
#293
Inviso posted...
This sounds like something you're just pulling out of your ass.

I called the 2016 election before it happened. I got first or second on the Board 8 prediction contest with 48/50 states and being off by less than 1% in the last 2. That was while most people were predicting a landslide for Hillary.

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04/23/20 5:34:36 PM
#290
Inviso posted...
Why, exactly, do you think Bernie would have beaten Trump in 2016?

Because Trump's whole campaign was designed to beat Hillary? Trump was out there, courting Bernie supporters early in the primary season, knowing that's who he would need to beat Hillary. His whole campaign was based on the idea of running to Hillary's left on some issues and getting votes there while Republicans fell in line and voted for him based on their vast hatred of Hillary Clinton and the Democraic Party.

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04/23/20 5:20:54 PM
#281
LordoftheMorons posted...
https://twitter.com/ne0liberal/status/1253418716554919940?s=21

It doesn't work that way. I don't care if every politician in the country endorses Biden, I'm not voting for him.

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04/23/20 5:16:49 PM
#279
UshiromiyaEva posted...
Who was on the fence that wasn't going to vote for Biden until he made a comment like that? Nobody. They're already set.

On the other hand every time he does it drives away potentially hundreds.

Just don't bring it up. He already has those people, he's not gonna get more.

This actually isn't true. There are loads of independents and moderates out there who are strongly against socialism and will vote Trump if they believe they would get socialism with the Democratic Party. Biden is a Democrat, so he's automatically suspected of harboring socialist sympathies - whereas a Republican could probably blast the Internationale at his rallies and have no one question his commitment to capitalism.

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04/23/20 5:12:31 PM
#275
red13n posted...
I will blame anyone that votes for Trump or doesn't vote for Biden, yes.

You literally see a guy that is racist/sexist/homophobic/beyond dangerous in a national crisis and deciding that voting him out of office isn't important. I will judge your priorities to be misguided and you to be less than what I would call reasonably intelligent, by a significant degree.

Unless you live in California or somewhere where you are making a vote you know will have no impact just to make a statement. But even then I judge you because you should know that kicking Trump in the popular vote gut is still worthwhile in the long run.

If you voted for Hillary over Bernie in 2016 you have no room to talk because you elected Trump.

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04/23/20 5:11:47 PM
#272
ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Youre wrong.

If the Dems pick Klobuchar or Warren after bragging about how the black vote won it for Biden, its gonna go extremely bad for them.

That isnt overruled by Warrens brother died because people of color are literally the majority of the deaths.

If Biden picks a person of color because they are a person of color he is doomed. That kind of patronizing nonsense will cost him support among every racial and ethnic group.

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04/22/20 7:58:20 PM
#208
I'm not sure the Las Vegas mayor's advocacy is working all that well. She doesn't decide when the casinos reopen, the governor does. And I can't imagine he'll find the offer to be a control group to be very persuasive.

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04/22/20 7:55:46 PM
#206
Mr Lasastryke posted...
his argument is not so much "it can't be bad" as it is "this is what the majority of american people wanted."

i don't think it's an argument that works 100% but i can see it for the most part. americans decided trump was the guy they wanted in the white house if a terrible global crisis was going to occur (at least the ones who took the election seriously - we won't count the extha-ish "I OWNED THE LIBS JIMMIES WERE RUSTLED LOL XFD" kind of voters). well, now you have to deal with the consequences.

i guess the argument doesn't work if you go with "i expected trump to be super empathetic and competent at handling the virus but it turns out he's an asshole who has no idea what to do!" kind of logic, but i refuse to believe a significant number of americans are delusional and stupid enough to think that. if that were the case, trump's approval rating should be tanking right now and biden would beat him in a landslide.

Yeah, I think Trump made very clear the kind of President he was going to be. With Obama, I think it's fair for his voters to be disappointed in how his presidency turned out, but Trump has basically been exactly what he promised.

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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 293: LIBERATE BOARD 8!
red sox 777
04/22/20 7:53:19 PM
#203
LordoftheMorons posted...
If you think that the President's policy is extremely reckless and is going to result in people dying resigning so someone else can go along with it isn't the ethical thing to do.

Assuming you've already brought your concerns to the President and been ignored, you can resign and then talk about it. This wasn't a classified thing. But you have no more authority than any other private citizen to execute policy.

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red sox 777
04/22/20 7:49:38 PM
#201
StealThisSheen posted...
Nope. I never actually responded to the argument, because, as said, I didn't find it worth responding to.

That is a fact. That's where our personal discussion should have ended.

If you want to make incorrect assumptions about a post that was not directed to you, be my guest.

Like I said, you are trolling me and nothing more.

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red sox 777
04/22/20 7:39:50 PM
#197
LordoftheMorons posted...
Well your argument is basically "the president was elected so nothing they do can be bad," which is a values-based on argument. There's not much to debate beyond saying that those values are trash.

Also, that is not my argument. I said nothing about whether the President's policy is good or bad. I said, if you are a federal employee and you think it's bad, you should resign instead of trying to undermine it.

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red sox 777
04/22/20 7:38:40 PM
#196
StealThisSheen posted...
Nope. I very blatantly did not respond to your post that you made the argument in which I am referencing, again, for a reason.

Dude, whether or not you quote a post doesn't determine if something is replying. If you make a post that addresses a post previously made in this topic, that's a reply. I don't care which post of mine you quoted and it wouldn't matter if you didn't quote any of them.

You also apparently misunderstood my argument as you proceeded to set up a strawman version of it.

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