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shockthemonkey posted...

Bro read between the lines

So we go back to my original point. You have no counter argument to anything I said and just being a smart ass as usual. Cool I guess. Never expected much from the grocery worker.

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shockthemonkey posted...

He did that to me until I gave up talking to him

No, you said "Alright thats fair, Im in a shitty mood today and I dont think Im listening too well"

Don't be disingenuous.

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CyricZ posted...

Y'know what? Fair enough. Please, in every topic I post in, tell me I'm a white guy in Massachusetts who doesn't deserve an opinion.

Go right ahead.

I thought you're from New Hampshire?

But think about what you said for a second. Does your opinion really matter when you have no experience with the ones suffering the most? Especially when it talks down to others instead of being friendly opinions? You're shielded out there and if anything and I envy that on some level.

The fallout falls on us at the end of the day. I'm from NYC. We were hit the hardest in the world and now the protests are the largest in the world out here. It affects us negatively on every level.

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CyricZ posted...

You going to do this every time you don't have an argument? It'll get tiresome.

It's just proving my point. Every one super fervent about this fits the bill to almost a T. You don't see other black or minorities people chewing me out because they know it's true. We've been hurt the hardest. The population of your entire state is half Queens. A single county. So you can't really speak on these things when you've never lived the life.

Like you're doing with him, I'm doing with you guys. Just letting people know.

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What Annihilated is saying is correct. I get that it's concern trolling because he's seems to be on the right, but he's definitely not wrong in what he's saying. Even CNN has been interviewing several of the people that signed that since yesterday and asking what's with the flipping. Their answers are just reiterating the social distancing and mask+gloves guidance helping but not really saying about the risks. The Atlantic article I posted earlier talks about how it's misleading by not being 100% on everything.

Also, while masks seem common in the protests, gloves and social distancing are not and there's also the issue of super spreaders.

I don't get why Cyric is getting getting at him for the stuff he posted in the other topic. There was nothing wrong with it. Once again, another white dude from the middle of nowhere in New Hampshire telling others justice over lives are more important.

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shockthemonkey posted...

You didnt actually refute anything though.

You said the faster the demands are met, more lives will be saved. These things don't work overnight and as we saw in Minneapolis, they told the mayor to go fuck himself because he's not planning on defunding. How do protests stop if they're not willing to accept that.

That makes zero sense because it's hurting us the worst so black and Hispanics lose so much more than all the white grocery workers living in the forests of Massachusetts like you.

How many people do you know have died from it? I know several. It's broken our hearts. And adding to that is the last thing we want. So again, stop promoting bringing death to our communities when it will never affect you.

Instead of trying to act like a smart ass like you always do, try answering and rebuting some of these questions.

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shockthemonkey posted...

You couldve just said no.

Are you going to elaborate? Because nothing I said was incorrect. Again, what right does some white guy living in the middle of fucking nowhere have to even speak on this?

You asked for a response and I gave it. Break it down without acting like a smart ass.


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shockthemonkey posted...

Can anyone argue against the premise that more lives would be saved if there was massive police reform that got people to stop protesting?

Because it's not a premise rooted in reality. This isn't a hostage situation. There isn't even any logical central demands and governors around the country are still the ones allowing the beatdowns. Including people like Cuomo and Newsom.

"Hey guys, if you don't do what we say fast enough, we're gonna die more. You better not let that happen. Save lives. Do what we say"

Some of the demands being defunding the police.

Yeah. These are not ending anytime soon because that's simply not going to happen.


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Maybe you should toss her groceries.

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Dead if true.

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10 GB for each Tekken.

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Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

I use the S10+ and have had it since launch. I've never had any slowdowns on this thing and feel that utilizing the various optimization features does a good job of keeping it in top shape. In terms of battery, I get 8 hrs SOT.

Samsung recently put out One UI 2.1 (Samsung's stock launcher) that debuted with the S20 line and it has breathed new life to an already smooth device. It basically brought the S10/Note10 line up to the level of the S20 from a software perspective (UHD/FHD 60fps for selfie camera, Quick/Music Share, updated animations, etc).

S10 slowdowns are well documented. As I've told you before, you're an extremely light user, so your personal experience means very little. Stop acting like it's the standard.

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Lol, lots to unpack here.

Why are people that live in the middle of fucking nowhere, mostly white, and likely never stepped foot in a black or minority community the most fervent about this? Who are you to promote bringing death to my fucking community while sitting so far away? So much privilege.

The letter literally says that it's trying to paint a narrative and saying that even other health experts are split. They sound like they're talking down to black people.

Here's a good explanation of why it's dumb.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/protests-carry-risk-even-when-theyre-justified/612652/

Again, we lost 400k people as of today in 5 months, WHILE on lockdown for a large part of the world. People lost their livlihoods and the entire planet came to a standstill. This is a pandemic and it's exponentially more dangerous. Police brutality is not even the biggest problem in our communities. Poverty and health is way worse, yet we're gonna put more lives at risk. In the end, white people, especially those far from the cities, will suffer barely anything.

And lol at suburban jokes like Shock saying "the faster they respond, the faster we can go back to saving lives"

Yeah, because it works that fast.

It's like when the right flips, the left automatically flips to the counter argument. Even if it makes no sense. Same shit happened before the lockdowns where clowns were telling everybody to go out and eat Chinese foods, especially in NY. Two studies later, they found that just two weeks earlier would have saved 20k people.

Nonetheless, worldwide, cases are now rising more than ever and 26 states have already gone into high alert and this is simply based off Mothers Day and Memorial Day Weekend. Facts have not changed in any way. So, no. "New information" is not the reason. Some of you just have zero conviction on sticking to something.

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Bio1590 posted...

At the end of the day you can't just say to black people "Can you hold on? We'll get back to you once this is over" because everyone knows it won't happen. You have to mobilize now.

Tamir Rice and John Crawford were both killed in 2014. Who knows where we'd be if people reacted then like they are now.

You can't let tens of hundreds of thousands of people die while trying to stop another thing that is also hurting them because one dwarves the other exponentially. Police brutality is a huge problem but it will never cause the amount of death the virus has and will continue to. We paused the entire world to deal with this. It's not some passing thing. In fact, worldwide, it is hitting the highest numbers ever and since 2-3 days ago, over half the country is already in dark red and rising.

I don't expect a white guy from Canada who has probably never even interacted with a black person or other minorites to understand this. How at the end of the day, it hurts us the most on both ends.

It's a very tough situation but saving lives should always come first.

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Bio1590 posted...

No, are you?

Because that's literally the only way your argument makes sense. You're literally saying that people should just sit by and accept black people continuing to be killed by cops with impunity because there happens to be a pandemic going on right now. That's insane.

400k people have died as of today and it happened in 5 months. No one is saying justice isn't important or needed.

The most affected by the pandemic are by a wide margin minorities with blacks and Hispanics getting hit way harder than white people like you who don't even live in the US.

Saving lives is not fascism by avoiding unnecessary deaths. Yes, police brutality is a huge problem, I fucking know. I could write a book about my horrible experiences with the NYPD. If this was last year, I'd be out there every day.

The rhetoric was lives>economy. Now it's justice>lives, which only the most ignorant and sheltered would really promote.

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Bio1590 posted...

Sure is fascist in here.

Are you high?

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Ruvan22 posted...

No - the point (as you stated a bit later) was "it doesn't matter how much YOU want to put yourself at risk. You're putting others at risk, you need to weigh that against the NEED to go out". Hence why going for groceries, car repairs, etc were still deemed "acceptable risks". Now there maybe some some fringe elements saying to disregard COVID risks, but is the bulk of the media saying "It doesn't matter if you die, you need to be out protesting"?

You can't compare going out for groceries, which is needed for survival to mass protests. And everything else was closed in NY and most of the sane states.

And read the article I posted. I never said anybody is saying you NEED to go out.

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Bio1590 posted...

Oof

In exchange for tens of thousands of useless deaths? It's not.

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Wii_Shaker posted...

1) Public outrage over both racism and police brutality are long overdue. Covid-19 is still real and rampant.
2) The country mishandled Covid-19 drastically, contributing to the number of deaths. Our sacrifices haven't even began to take their toll.
3) You can blame the 24-hour news cycle breathing fire into a news story that both inspired and scared viewers
4) There is no finger to point for Covid-19 deaths in reality, it's a force of nature like a hurricane or an earthquake.
5) The breaking point was George Floyd's murder. Protesting and rioting were and are completely unpredictable.

We are not out of the woods yet. Covid-19 is still a serious health concern. Now that the genie is out of the bottle and the demand for lasting justice is at a historic high, people are willing to put their health at risk in order to change the world we live in.

You may want simple answers but there are none.

These are horrible points.

The point has always been to that it doesn't matter how much YOU want to put yourself at risk. You're putting others at risk.

When shit was hitting the fan in NY, people were asking Cuomo what do they do about losing their jobs and there being a 2 month backlog on unemployment. He scolded them. As if "it doesn't matter, you have no right to put others at risk even if times are really bad"

So, no. Justice is not a good enough reason to possibly double the death count. Especially since it's been proven blacks, Hispanics and other minorites are hit the hardest.

Here's a good read on how people are ignoring it more because they think it's not that serious anymore.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/protests-carry-risk-even-when-theyre-justified/612652/

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Is it streaming somewhere?

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Yeah, it's the weirdest thing ever. So many are being put at risk and it's gonna end up hurting the people who they're fighting for the worst.

A parade fucked shit up back in 1918 and these are like hundreds every day across the country.

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jj4492 posted...

Thanks for the response guys. I love my iPhones, but The s10 is so damn pretty lol. I would love a s20, but cant afford it. Also did the hard reset set everything back to normal or was there still a little slow down

Sorry, I didn't mean to say the S10 is bad or anything. It's a beast of a phone. When I first got it, it was one of the most powerful phones I've experienced.

And yeah, a hard reset puts it right back to like when you first opened it.

The issue with showdowns are in the OS, not hardware. The only bitch is having to back everything up lol.

Honestly, if you're saving a lot with the S10. Just get that.

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I have most of the Galaxy phones. I got the S10 last March, and yeah, it has slowed down and glitching, but that's usually easily resolved by a hard reset.

I now use the S20, which is definitely much faster and smoother than the S10. Gonna hard reset once I back everything up to see how they compare side to side.

If you like iOS, you can't go wrong with the 11. That will probably last you the longest.

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Webbernet posted...

Okay, now we are getting somewhere. Do I need to watch it as "The Lucille Ball-Desi Arnaz Show" or "The LucyDesi Comedy Hour"? Speaking of the Comedy Hour, wikipedia makes it unclear if it's a sequel show or just a renaming. Would a version of it just called I Love Lucy have all the content? Are there any recommended spinoffs? Do Desi Arnaz or Lucille Ball show up in any other sitcoms, or their characters?

I Love Lucy movie, then TV show, then the Comedy hour, which is a sequel like Dragon Ball Z to DB and Super to Z.

Her character shows up in a few other shows. There's also The Lucy Show, but not the same character.

Also George Reeves shows up as Superman, but as the actor.

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When white guilt goes wrong

"We need to destroy shit to help black people"

*Destroys black communities*

"Now, pull yourself up by the bootstraps. Get a job. Magically come up with a new car."

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https://imgur.com/MGD600x

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Cuomo said yesterday that it will be hard to pin growth to the protests because contact tracing is gonna be a mess.

He pointed out that 30k in NY alone have protested.

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This is what I was talking about with the videos @jeffhardyb0yz was posting. Clearly they were pushing people even harder than this in his videos and bashing people with batons and I was wondering what happens when someone falls the wrong way.

Well Cuomo answered that for me today when he wouldn't, actually, he simply couldn't fathom that NY police are assaulting people. Like he was just "bro, you're lying. Do you have any proof. I haven't heard anything".

Then he was like "well if they're breaking the law" and thought about it for a few seconds and realized how dumb that was and was like "still wrong" and then just went to the next reporter.

People like him are responsible for how badly minorities are treated and 2 weeks ago people were actually hoping he ran for president lmao.

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He's dodging questions left and right. He didn't believe when a reporter said they're using batons to assault people.

There's tons of examples including on AOC's twitter. Tried to play it off as "well if they're breaking the law" and caught himself and was like "still wrong"

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Lol, the first time around it was Cuomo and Blasio's fault. This time around it will definitely be the people.

I'm for the protests and have even wanted to go, but the virus never went anywhere and in fact, it does actually discriminate. The people most affected are black and Hispanic people because of prior problems. This has been a fact.

This weird justice>lives>economy is such a weird and ignorant flip flop, especially somewhere like NYC. I mean, it's like the 30k people that passed for no reason in 3 months and us pausing the whole economy to deal with this just never meant anything.

AlisLandale posted...

No. The vast majority of protestors were just upset the government was telling them what to do.

Do you have a source to back this up?

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Doe posted...

No idea why you continue to deceptively frame and disqualify these protests with all that life experience under your belt buddy.

First, read all my posts in the topic.

Second, answer the question. Are you 15 or not? What qualifies you to speak on this?

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Doe posted...

maybe you should shut the fuck up and listen to black people instead of telling them what their 'real' priorities should be.

And nice job with your deceptive framing as though the protests are obliterating entire black communities as we speak, which simply isn't true. The vast majority of protesting has been peaceful and you're exploitating isolated incidents in order to tell people to shut up. It's despicable. You don't actually care about black issues, you just want to stop hearing them.

Here's a white dude that's about 15, telling a Hispanic man who grew up in the fucking hood and has seen first fucking hand how hard The Bronx was hit and has suffered all his life at the hands of the NYPD and whose family and friends are mostly black.

This is what I'm talking about with the jokers with zero life experience telling minorities how to fucking behave. Jfc.

Yeah bro. Graduate college before you even begin to talk to me about how we should behave.

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Doe posted...

Yes, it's too bad the black ones live in fear every day of themselves or their children being murdered by someone with no accountability.

That's why the protests and, when the police instigate violence, the "riots" are necessary.

Yeah, no. Police brutality is a huge issue, but that is far from one of the main issues in these communities. Some bigger fears and issues are having enough money to feed the family and keep the lights and water on.

Look, I understand where people are coming with the whole violence changing things. But it has to be 100% directed at the government. Not the people. We've seen that's not possible.

People already live paycheck to paycheck in these communities. Shit like losing just your car is gonna be devasting. There's been zero relief from the pandemic for these people and you guys are saying that further damage will just be fixed eventually. How depraved and ignorant can you be to believe this?

Have some empathy and understanding instead of basing shit off your misguided Twitter view of black people and other minorities.

BTW, aren't you like 15? Maybe you should get some more life experience before speaking on it.

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Yeah, that shit was very powerful. Made me tear up a bit as well, but then again, it's been a very emotional week or so.

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GodIsImaginary posted...

How brave to take a position being repeated by everyone right now, including all celebrities and businesses.

Black man fighting against police brutality against black people.

"He's just virtue signaling"

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REY!!!!!!!



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He's a good dude. I too feel bad how he got fucked with TLJ and TRoS.

I wouldn't mind a Finn series. Anyway, good luck to him.

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Damn, I didn't know my Police Academy marathon was really 600 hours. I'm basically missing a month.

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Kajagogo posted...

The kid in the back is just chillin', like he doesn't care he's about to be murdered.

Badass af



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@Balrog0

I have no problem admitting that I might have misconstrued what you were trying to say. On reading it again, you are saying you understand, but it does seem a little too close to kind of advocating it.

I didn't mean to minimize your experience or anything. My gripe isn't even about white people or anything. I grew up around a couple of white people in the same poverty situations.

My thing was more against people who have never experienced these types of adversities and I was definitely going by the history of posters since it's all stuff they've admitted. The biggest pro voices are people that live in the suburbs far from the places affected. So outside one guy, it was more just knowing and not assuming.

Also when I was talking about the burger place, I honestly did think you had seen how long stretches of the shopping areas in the Fordham areas had been looted or destroyed. So I apologise if that went sideways.

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Balrog0 posted...

But anyway, I'm not telling anyone what to do. You are. I'm saying I understand rioting even though I don't condone it. No need to be upset when we barely disagree

Yeah, you understand that was not what you were going for. You were saying it's necessary. Don't change goal posts.

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s0nicfan posted...

Balrog is a great poster and an actual functional human being whose career is literally about social activism. You need to shut the fuck up and sit the fuck down before you make yourself look even dumber.

Here comes the alt-right joker.

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Balrog0 posted...

Living through the may day riots in San Jose, it wasn't just a single store, that's just my memory of the experience lol

I don't hope it's comparable, it is...

Lol you should have just started with that dude. I knew you didn't really care if I experienced anything

Again, I'm not sure what you're saying. Why not start off with how many businesses were actually affected when you were there?

And again, how to do you comfort all the people absolutely fucked in Brooklyn and The Bronx? Yes, the black people. How do you comfort them and in the same breath tell them that you as a white person feel fighting police brutality is in their best interest vs their livelihoods? Who the fuck are you? And the other stuff I bought up like insurance?

Exactly. White people just can't understand these things, which is why it's most them advocating the violence.

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Balrog0 posted...

It's just the thing I saw get destroyed in front of me. I'm quite sure it was franchised and owned by an immigrant family though. Either way I don't think you're really open to a discussion regardless of my experiences lol

What does this even mean? What experience? You brought up a single fucking store and you're going "I hope my experience is comparable".

Seriously. White people need to just stay quiet and stop telling minorities how to behave, especially based off such dumb ass comparison. Be an ally. Don't try to lead us and lecture us based off a single 7/11.

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