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I'm legit not voting for Mike Bloomberg if he's the nomination, especially if he basically gets hand picked due to Biden's failure to stop Sanders. I'll vote for any other Dem in the field, even fucking Tulsi(lol not that she'd ever win) who I absolutely despise.

But I'd rather burn the fucking Democratic party to the ground and piss on it's ashes than let a billionaire come in whose life is fine under Trump and buy the nomination because he doesn't want to pay more in taxes. Fuck that

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Oh yeah, she's fired

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https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1221552460768202756

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Seems like the NBA cancelled the rest of the games for today. Good on them

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https://twitter.com/viewsfrance/status/1221542999097856002


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I'm really surprised they just didn't cancel the games tonight. You can tell watching the players don't want to be doing this. This is the biggest athlete death I can remember in my lifetime.

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https://twitter.com/espn/status/1208552113271382023

God damn :(

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Scorsese2002 posted...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1221535503868223488

Four others Trump, not three...

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The Pro Bowl is usually lifeless as is but watching right now you can just tell everyone there is completely out of it over this news. Kobe was basically a hero to all of these guys. It's just shocking

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Oh son of a bitch, seems like one daughter may have been on board

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His daughters were confirmed not to be on board according to ABC

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https://twitter.com/kobebryant/status/1221276426164269056

Kobe's last tweet. That's going to be one of the most liked tweets of all time

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A day after LeBron passed him in scoring in Philly, Kobe's home town too. This is insane

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More and more media are confirming the accident but no list of who was on board yet. Suffice to say I don't think they got this wrong. God damn it

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Still on their front page but link is down

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Holy shit, that's awful

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Seeing Yang above both Peter and Klob just warms my heart so much as you can tell how bad the establishment Dems want someone like those two at the top of the ticket and they just don't get people don't want neoliberal trash anymore.

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I want Sanders/Trump more than ever now. Not only because of his policies but I want to force all these neoliberal fucks to admit their "Resistance" shit was all garbage and they don't give a damn about anything but money. Force their fucking hands

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Duncanwii posted...

Right because if theres one thing the blue collar working class love, its socialism.

You're completely out of touch with blue collar middle America if you think they still buy into the red scare bullshit tactics. There's a reason why Sanders did so well last time against Hillary in the rust belt, and while a lot of that had to do with how insanely unpopular she was, it also had to do with the policies enacted by her husband that completely destroyed their way of life. And I guarantee you that Biden being an old white guy isn't enough to win back those supporters.

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Trump knows, as does the rest of the fucking media if you honestly asked them, that Bernie is the only one in the field who can win back over some of the white working class that has flipped from blue to red over the last 30 years. Say what you will about Trump but he knows that a big reason why he won was because he was able to point out how neoliberal policies and shit like NAFTA absolutely gutted the rust belt region and they were pissed off enough to overlook all the racist and bigoted shit Trump said because he promised to fix those policies. And with Sanders he's against someone who has actually fought those same damn policies over the last 30 years.

The Sanders team absolutely needs to put this out there and run ads with "Trump fears Bernie" so they can break this fake idea that Biden stands a chance against Trump. The only fucking thing keeping Biden afloat right now is this stupid "electability" argument and if he loses that he's going to sink like a stone.

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The issue of trans women competing in sports, especially in fucking combat sports such as MMA, is an issue that isn't as black and white as woke Twitter pretends. While I support every aspect about being trans I ultimately believe the body is different from the mind and you can't deny the science they they do have different bone and muscular structure. I don't wanna see a trans man bashing the skull of a woman's head in...

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There's so many hot takes out there of "This isolates people of color who hate Joe Rogan and feel threatened by him" and all I can think is "Have these people ever watched ONE UFC event? Who the fuck do you think about half the fans are?! Who the fuck do you think is their lead announcer!?"

I would literally bet any amount of money that the majority of PoC don't give one shit about Joe fucking Rogan being "toxic" and will suddenly be turned away from him. It's anecdotal but I have literally watched MULTIPLE fights with people of all races and none of them have ever gone on a tirade about how "problematic" Joe Rogan is. They need to get out of their damn bubble

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All this does is remind me of the same people who scream "HE'S NOT EVEN A DEMOCRAT!" or "HE'S NOT INFAVOR OF ENTIRELY TAKING FIREARMS!" and acting like those things don't have MASSIVE appeal to the average voter. There's a reason there's so many damn people out there that are registered Independent, and there's also the harsh reality that so many people don't vote. I fucking guarantee you I could go out and find Obama using endorsements of some "questionable" people during 2008 in the entertainment world.

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Intro2Logic posted...

The head of the Center for American Progress

https://twitter.com/neeratanden/status/1220718041823973376

"Lets just ignore the electorate that has left us over the years and pretend they don't exist and we'll win for sure this time!"

There's some fucking galaxy brain takes out there over this. I don't like Rogan much at all and find his show shitty, and likewise I hate the fact that he's not nearly knowledgeable enough for some of the subject matters or people he has platformed, but to pretend that he doesn't have a massive reach or that there aren't a ton of people out there who are completely turned off of politics who listen to his show is just ignorant of reality.

Likewise, I really don't think these stupid neoliberal types that live isolated in their cities fully understand how massive of a sport MMA is and how many people out there who hate Trump also watch it and listen to Rogan almost religiously. And it's not just "white dudebros" either, he has a fucking huge audience of Hispanic and black listeners who may not be as "woke" as these neoliberal types like to think that they are and who would easily be swayed to vote for someone like Sanders as opposed to someone like, say, Joe fucking Biden or Liz Warren. Or especially Hillary Clinton.

It's absolutely fucking baffling to me to see that they don't get it. Do they honestly think the average PoC dude who watches ESPN and MMA shit all the time who also hates Trump is automatically going to denounce this because "JOE ROGAN ISN'T AS WOKE AS WE ARE!"?

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I always said I was quite convinced that if McMahon had ever ran for Presidency he could get at least 30% of the people to vote for him, if not more.

I guess Trump kind of proved to me it would be far higher than that

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https://twitter.com/i/status/1220527884034543618

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We're not confident, we're hopeful that he does.

Frankly, all these hit pieces getting paired with rising poll numbers as well as places like CNN and MSNBC starting to finally acknowledge as of this morning(both ran segments on it) that "Oh shit....Bernie may actually win this thing", tell me that there's something to it. If they really thought he'd fizzle out or that they didn't think it was all real they wouldn't be coming this hard at him.

And frankly, people are still missing the point about Trump's momentum and under the radar support that we saw happen with the Republican primary last time. Social media impressions, crowd sizes, grass root donations, all of these things parallel the two of them. The Republican media wrote attack article after attack article, and rightfully so IMO on Trump and the only thing it did was help empower Trump and his movement and the same people who in 2016 said "Uh guys, you're not stopping him..." are saying the same thing about Sanders now. The establishment press may not want to admit it but you'd be stupid to NOT see the parallels

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SuperShake666 posted...

Boy, they're really trying hard to ruin Bernie. Even in 2016 it wasn't this bad. He truly scares them this time.

All it does is scream to me that the internal polling numbers from other campaigns, specifically Bidens, are terrifying them and they know Sanders is going to crush. You think it's bad now, wait until we head into Super Tuesday.

Only problem for them this time around is after 4 years of Trump screaming "FAKE NEWS", despite it being mostly garbage, people's trust in the media is lower than ever before and they are desperately flailing to remain in control of the narrative. I fucking despise Tucker Carlson but on his show last night he explained perfectly that the Democratic establishment in NYC and LA can't see what's happening around them and in the rest of the nation and that the base wants Sanders because, despite him hating his policies, he comes off like an actual person and not a fake politician. It's the SAME thing that happened with Trump that the GOP tried to ignore

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Media trying their best to assume PoC are incapable to understand what the man was actually saying and see "HE SAID SLAVES!? BAD! BETTER BACK BIDEN NOW!"

Keep on trying to use people of color as props Dem establishment and not giving them the respect that they deserve to be able to understand and comprehend sentences and see how far that takes you

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Oh, and as for this specific subject, the Bloomberg article recently added this to the piece:

https://twitter.com/GunnelsWarren/status/1220178811624546305

Like I said, the media and establishment have no idea that they can't pull this shit on Twitter anymore without people dragging the truth out of them. This isn't fucking 2002 anymore, you can't just sell lies and expect the public to not immediately call your bluff. And if they think that they can keep screaming "SEXIST WHITE BERNIE BROS!" on cable news and think that's going to matter, go look at how much those types of attacks have slowed down the GOP and Trump. And if Nevada goes the way I think it's going to go, that narrative is going to be blown apart.

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Omnislasher posted...

is this really what you predict?

at this point i'm more leaning towards her playing spoiler for bernie and having back channels negotiating a top spot in a biden administration

I go back and forth with it. The fact that her campaign really fumbled the "called me a liar" thing and it looks like her poll numbers took a hit I think it'll come down to her own integrity and it depends on how the first 3 shake out. If Bernie is able to show up enough support in Iowa and then win NH and assuming he looks strong through NV, all of which are looking likely, I think she'll drop by before SC and try to hop alongside with him. Biden's support is incredibly soft early on and if it looks like he's going to potentially lose the thing, I'd hope Liz's convictions about fighting corporate corruption are strong enough and the Bernie team are willing to accept her support back into the fold.

Now if THAT happens and the bottom does fall out on Biden, Bloomberg is likely going to try and snake his way into the nomination as he's not on ballot until then. And that's when you'll see a massive protest back against the corporate Democratic establishment. They can keep trying to deny it all the want, but the ground swell and enthusiasm are important and right now the only two that have any semblance of that are Bernie and Biden, and Biden's is entirely built on the idea he can get the black support and is "safe" against Trump. If either of those narratives show to not hold true then the bottom WILL fall out. Bernie's base, meanwhile, is locked in and not going anywhere, but he DOES need to show he can expand it enough to fend off the establishment against him.

Basically the EXACT SAME THING we saw happen with Trump in 2016 and the GOP. People like to pretend that the voters are entirely different and while motivations may be, the fundamental human element of who they are is the same.

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VitalGetPrank posted...

* The "women fantasize about being gang raped" essay
* The "cervical cancer is caused by lack of orgasms" and age of consent laws are a social construct essay
* The "toddlers should run naked and touch each other's genitals" essay
* The no one should make over a million dollars essay
* The mainstream media is distorting what is really going on in Cuba essay
* The kids shouldnt go to school because formal education is destroying our kids essay
* The Major industries in this state and nation should be publicly owned and controlled by the workers themselves essay
* The TV brainwashes us to be submissive, and TV should be publicly owned essay
The list I have would take several posts to fully flesh out and you'd have to be incredibly stupid to think Trump doesn't already have more than that at his disposal. Do you want to know why Trump isn't attacking him right now? It's because he wants Sanders to win the primary so his reelection will be cinched.

Yes, he will have to respond to the clearly satirical essay he wrote back eons ago, but I'm telling you right now all that shit isn't going to make much of a difference to the average voter. And please, I beg Trump and company to try and flaunt their wealth as a reason why people shouldn't vote for Sanders. Or better yet, try to attack him for saying the media is biased and corrupt. Or defend major corporations and the shareholders. Please, I'm begging Trump to reveal himself to be a false populist in today's day and age. That'd just about lock up the white working class vote in the Rust Belt. There's a good reason why Sanders has the most union and labor endorsements thus far this primary cycle and if you can't understand why then I'm sorry, you just don't get it.

You a Kamala stan or something to have this list ready to go like that? Sorry the cop lost, hopefully her supporters won't still be bitter come election time

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Blue_Dream87 posted...

This is worse than 2016

Then again, the media also attacked a candidate 24/7 and look what happened

Just wait and see what happens once Liz drops out before Super Tuesday and endorses Bernie. The Democratic establishment and the media have zero clue what's coming for them. They spent the last 4 years screaming "RESIST" and hyping up and celebrating youth involvement in the political process and don't realize that the youth are the ones that want Bernie the most.

Middle aged women everywhere are about to lose their minds

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They really think a social media age people are just going to buy their bullshit and that we don't have the receipts ready to go. And in the commentators who bash in there, who are far more mean spirited than any other people out there(especially the KHive Kamala stans with their yellow ring names, good lord and the call other people in cults), are openly saying "SO WHAT IF IT'S NOT TRUE, BERNIE LIED AND SMEARED AND WE CAN TOO!"

They are getting fucking unhinged before Iowa, just wait what happens as we head into Super Tuesday.

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Alpha218 posted...

Calling Elizabeth Warren a corporate Democrat is disingenuous. Like shes in the wrong by trying to blow up the fact that Bernie probably told her that trump was going to leverage sexism. But she has been a staunch consumer rights advocate in the Senate

I agree, but his campaign nor him called her that. The worst people in his campaign like Turner have done is called her out for flipping on M4A and voting to give Trump more money for military efforts, as well as shit like voting for the USMCA, which is basically NAFTA2.0.

I like Liz and I really hope that she ends up being his VP nominee because I think in order to pass his agenda he WILL need someone there who can work with the establishment Dems. Plus with his age, though she's slightly younger, women tend to live longer. Let Bernie lead the charge as the front runner flame thrower and let her work his agenda through behind the scenes and we can actually work on fixing things.

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NinjaBreakfast posted...

Yeah that's my reading of it too. Phrasing in that story is kinda weird though, as if it's meant to make you think women don't think a woman is capable of being president

It makes perfect sense and it's exactly why the framing to try and paint Bernie as a sexist has been completely idiotic. Of course he, like those woman, thinks a woman is capable of being President. But due to inherent sexism within the nation they have to face bullshit that a man wouldn't have to face and thus have a harder time. And the media was so desperate to use it against him they ran the story as an attempt to bury him, but the only thing this has shown is people don't buy their bullshit.

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Oh, and:



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Zanzenburger posted...

Really is interesting how Sander's support is surging on the 11th hour. There's something about grassroots activism that can't be replicated with TV ads or Super Pacs.

I find it more interesting that people, not you but the most of the media, don't seem to understand this. We JUST SAW THIS happen in 2016 with Trump and the GOP as well as with Obama in 08 for those who remember. I can give the Trump campaign team a ton of shit for a bunch of things and I think they're fucking scumbags but them citing social media impressions and his rally sizes repeatedly to show he had support compared to the rest of the GOP field is something that the rest of the pundit class should have acknowledged as meaningful.

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Life comes at you fast when you try to get racist to people who don't give a shit about the arrest

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Coastal_elite posted...

What working class voters? The ones that were going to vote dem anyway?

The blue collar and rural voters who scream "SOCIALISM!!!! GO BACK TO RUSSIA!!!' with the mere mention of the "S" word wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole.

Yeah it's not like Bernie has the highest number of endorsements this cycle from unions and labor moveme....oh, wait

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bernie_Sanders_2020_presidential_campaign_endorsements#Labor_organizations

National
NNU National Nurses United, representing 150,000
NUHW National Union of Healthcare Workers, representing 15,000(co-endorsement with Elizabeth Warren)
UE United Electrical, Radio and Machine Workers of America, representing 35,900

State, regional, and local divisions
APWU American Postal Workers Union: New Hampshire (NH)[230][231]; Local 44 (IA)
BIDG The Boston Independent Drivers Guild (MA)
CCEA Clark County Educational Association, representing 19,000 (NV)
IBEW International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers: Local 1634 (IA)
IBT International Brotherhood of Teamsters: Pennsylvania Federation Brotherhood of Maintenance of Way Employes Division (PA)
SEIU Service Employees International Union: Local 1984, representing 10,000 (NH)
UFCW United Food and Commercial Workers International Union: Local 230 (IA)
UTLA United Teachers Los Angeles, representing 35,000 (CA)
UURWAW United Union of Roofers, Waterproofers and Allied Workers: Local 36 (CA)

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tremain07 posted...

Man, they are scared to death of Bernie Sanders, establishment democrats and republicans alike are teaming up to tear him down again oh well maybe this time they'll finally get their wish and the progressive wing of the democrats will die out once Bernie loses again and if Biden fails against Trump they can blame the progressives for it again,too all this to protect rich people's money and the corporate gravy train.

I really don't think any of them actually get what makes people support politicians like Sanders or even a Trump. Trust in the media, trust in the establishment parties, trust in Hollywood, all of these things are at an all time low in this country. And with social media putting everyone in contact with another with a few clicks we're at a time where it's not just one person saying "Hey I think this is bullshit", it's mass swaths of people thinking such. Now, both Sanders and Trump absolutely are not the same type of person or anywhere near it, nor do they advocate for the same things, and Trump absolutely preyed on the fears of people while "otherizing" individuals and groups, but the reason why both of these people have such huge followings that will fight for them is because they, to their followers, actually feel like "real" people. Now, I think Trump is a 2 bit conman grifter who doesn't believe 90% of the bullshit he spews, but that doesn't matter, as long as it feels real to his followers they will go to the grave with him.

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Nothing like some good old fashioned antisemitism on MSNBC and Joy Reid.

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The full video is out there for those who want to watch it, but it's also an infowars video so I'll post the tweet, but may want to open in Incognito mode to protect your YouTube algorithm. Stuff with cop starts at about 10 minutes until roughly the end

https://twitter.com/vibesbian/status/1217664233825062912

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Bio1590 posted...

Yeah I've always found it insane that health care doesn't cover dental or vision so you either have to rely on your work's plan (the quality of which of course varies from place to place) or pay for a third-party plan, which again can vary depending on who you go with.

Bad/poor oral health can literally kill you.

I'm lucky enough to have dental through my employer, which is Delta Dental, which has usually been good but the fact that they deemed this unneeded pissed me off extremely about a month ago when I got the bill a few days before Christmas. The fucking root wasn't completely cleared due to the shape of my jaw and I needed to go to a specialist to get the thing cracked back open and cleared because an infection had sprung up through no fault of my own(according to both my dentist and the specialist these things sometimes happen with the shape of human teeth and fuck, maybe so, the hell do I know different?) and they had the audacity to basically claim it was my fault for not being able to clean up under a crowned root canal.

Another reason why ANY future POTUS's medical plan needs to have dental and vision included(such as M4A)

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I really feel for people who have bad dental situations, especially due to how fucking expensive even standard dental care of going to a dentist for cleanings or stuff like birth issues or accidents. I had a handful of cavities while young and when my parents had no dental, but thankfully almost all of them I was able to get filled and they were able to afford the cost and I never lost any of them. Right now I just had to get a root canal I had done on a back molar retreated due to an infection still coming in the remains of the other root and my dentist is in the process of negotiating down the price of the treatment of getting it cleared after I just received a bill of $1700 when the insurance company claimed the treatment wasn't "medically necessary" due to already having a root canal in that tooth. So far they got it down to about $800 and are still fighting with them to get it down to the $200 that the insurance company initially said the claim would be estimated at. Still waiting to get a permanent crown put in too, which likely will cost me a few more hundred bucks unless the company plays hardball again, then I'm looking at $1000 at least. All of this makes me wish I just had them pull the damn thing, its the top back second molar anyway and you can't see it.

Anyway good luck to all you peeps who have it far worse than me, I can't imagine how awful it must be

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And her fake ass whiny trying to be sweet voice was amazing

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Oh my God this is absolutely amazing.

"Do you want us to investigate?"
"Yeah but you told us you'd need to take our camera"
"Yes as evidence, that's how investigations work"

Dumb fucks wanted to desperately wanted to show a select footage after the initial confrontation and use it as "evidence" and the cop was not putting up with their bullshit. Good for him

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