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Corrik7 posted...

No shit he has to be innocent scanning if scum. He has been scanned inno lol.

I am just saying, your setup with Sultan as scum cant have a Mafia Goon in it then.
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Sultan did vote Damion at least
Great now I am doubting myself again.
I mean early day1 train means little, but still.
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I'd also say that its annoying that people arent going back to ISO me, but then I'd be a hypocrite since I took it easy on the sunday myself.
(also I keep forgetting some people might not know about the logsite)

Tho in my further defense, the logs are so damn slow and the first few topics are so bereft of useful posts.

I did find this post from red, but its not enough yet.

No sale on the Sultan lynch. Caught him last game because he was waffling on his conviction. Haven't read the whole game but when I've seen his posts they've been full of more confidence and teeth.

Bolt was the only one to really pursue Sultan anyway
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Well I say learning, but its more like 'reintegrating it into your previous setups'
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Also you dont have a reaction at all to learning that Sultan has to be inno-scanning too if he is scum?
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Geez way to make use of your time there corrik.

Dont be rude, I thought you wanted to the day right?
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Tomorrow I am sure
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we at least know abacus cannot have been redirected. He gets names with results.
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Then why are me and you fighting when we have litterally not confirmed ben?

Do you really think 2 godfathers is possible.. i honestly dont believe it thats why i was pushing ben.

Ben would have to be a role that Corrik cannot redirect is the problem there. He would have to be persistent or something like it.
I will grant you that Ben could also be a scumredirector. Though I feel Corrik would realize if his targets had been altered. I am not sure on that

And Its not that there are 2 godfathers. Its that scum could have a role that backed up the godfather power.
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Im not loring anyone i can prove myslef town i made a mistake not trusting plums i get that but i can prove myself town STILL and you cant? So you are tying to get me mislynched today isnt that right death.

There are more reasons to want to live than being scum.
If I didnt think scum could just noKill to avoid proving your power, I would be completely fine with letting you live another night. Even if everything points to the last scum being you, I know that does not make it 100 % certain.
But you should be able to see things from my perspective, from my town perspective. If you are town.
Also Admittedly, part of me wants to die today so I dont have to face the final setup.
But that would be a lame way to end it.
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btw updated

Corrik Possessed Death to Damion
Night Kill No One
Plum Saved Han
Abacus scans Death, is roleblocked
Chang predicts ???? (couldnt find this yet)
Sultan batons Han and Abacus
Puns tracks Death, no movement

Lynch Day 2 Scum Psychic
Night 2
Corrik possessed IGCD to Sceptile
Abacus scans IGCD, Townresult
Sultan batons Abacus and Han
Plum saves Abacus
Chang predicts Puns
No night kill
Puns tracks Mzero, no movement

Lynch Day 3 Town Puns
Night 3
Corrik possessed Sceptile to Lea
Abacus scans Damion, Scumresult
Chang predicts Sceptile
Chang roleblocks Sceptile
Sultan batons Han and Abacus
Night kill Mzero
Plum saves Han

Lynch Sceptile Scum Roleblocker
Night 4
Corrik possesses damion to Lea
Chang predicts Damion
Chang roleblocks Damion
Abacus scans Sultan, Townresult
Sultan batons Han and Abacus
No Night Kill
Plum saves Han

Lynch Damion Scum Persistent BombSetter
Night 5
Corrik possesses Abacus to Bolt - Roleblocked
Night kill Han
Plum saves Chang
Chang roleblocks Corrik
Chang predicts Death
Abacus scans Death, Townresult
Sultan batons Han and Abacus

Lynch town
Night 6
Corrik Possesses Ben to Lea
Night kill Plum
Chang predicts Ben
Sultan batons Chang and Abacus
Abacus scans Corrik, Townresult

Lynch Town
Night 7
Corrik possesses Chang to Ben
Night kill Chang
Abacus scans Chang, Townresult
Sultan batons Corrik and Abacus
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Oh wait no. Despite everything Ben still hasnt actually voted me.
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

Set you up?
Seriously?
You react like that to a truthful observation? I didnt even add to it the fact that your excuse for avoiding plum sounds empty (you still didnt trust plum after his doc claim and all)

From where I stand, I just see you as the most obvious scumspect.

And I REALLY dont like you trying to lure Abacus into a hammering vote here.
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

Oh I stand corrected.
Sceptile was roleblocked by Changmas night3, so thats likely why neither Lea nor Abacus got rbed.
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Btw Ben in case it wasnt clear. I disliked Plums plan because I didnt think you were scum. I thought it had to be either Changmas or Lea.
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And yet you didnt choose doctor the one night it mattered.
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Corrik7 posted...

It's literally impossible to get around proving his ability tomorrow without a no kill. In which Ben is scanned town then.

Well when I say 'manipulate who dies' I also mean the ability to stop the killing.
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Oh cool. So scum probably didnt block abacus and instead shot him thinking the doctor would save Han again and the doc saved Abacus.

Thats hilarious

Lol Plum was so not even trying to hide being doc
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Honestly the way Sultans power is worded I'd half expect that he would have made Abacus into a nilla and Han into a dead cop.

Either way, there you see the reason why scumsultan would claim not vanilla and instead claim this odd power.
...
So town desires to see proof. Except town will never get it as long as he can manipulate who dies.
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Corrik7 posted...

Too powerful then.

But wast Sultan scanned innocent? Or did I get that wrong this entire time?
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

Whats a Mafia Goon again?
And why wouldnt he just be a backup too?
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Corrik7 posted...

Death does provide a good point. Scum will probably no kill tonight if the last scum isn't Ben. They can't if Ben is scum. Thanks for giving us more reason to not consider Ben, death!

You're welcome.
It will be important if you lynch me.
Or doom me if you dont lynch me and Sultan is not scum I guess.
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Also what? Corrik?
I think this discussion should be between all five of us, shouldnt it?

Though regardless, if you think Sultan can be scum because scum might get a doubled up role, Ben could easily be scum too for that same reason.
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also Sultan you forget the simple fact that scum can Nokill indefinitely.
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I still disagree with being called atrocious
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PunishedBen posted...

Eh, me asking that question is kinda pointless because I feel I've already decided Sultan is town for it. But I am curious for your own explanation!

I'd say it never hurts to ask questions if you expect the answer to help the one you think is town.
...At the very least it makes you look more like town.
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I thought that was obvious from my points this page alone.
Sultan.
If not him, then you as some form of Persistent role.
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I think I have been about as quiet as I have ever been since the sceptile/damion lynches.
Plum didnt change anything, and I cant really argue with something that I feel is inherently untrue.

And it was a technically disingenenuous vote. I made no secret of it. I was just having fun. But dont pretend that I didnt know what was going on at the time. Again, I just didnt have enough to make a sound decision between Red and Lea.

PoE is fair, but I cant say much to that either.
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PunishedBen posted...

Well personally im confident Sultan is town. Besides just his behavior, I don't see why he has to claim that role yesterday if scum. He could have just claimed vanilla

A vanilla claim would not save him from the inevitable chopping block.
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And fine, I didnt realize Damions persistence counted for nightkills as well.

Still, I feel like a backup would be a better choice to make the kill.

Ben, what are your arguments against me? Just that I have been quiet-ish?
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PunishedBen posted...

I've been calling Death scum SINCE his post day 1 voting Corrik. Maybe we should listen to me for once.

Actually Corrik was calling him scum before that so im just a sheep again ;0;

You have been wrong since day1, so definitely you should not listen to yourself apparently.
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I noticed that, so I figure its best to leave level at max just for the first encounter.
Too bad I didnt get a chance to do that with Dunban
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I also wonder where their RB went night2. Your redirect explains the lack of blocking on Night3, which I am also counting as a townpoint for your already abundant credit.
Maybe they figured they were gonna get away with killing the cop directly? Lol.
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Corrik7 posted...

Did Han claim before flipping

I dont think he did. I feel like scum was panickshooting to try and find the doc.
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Corrik7 posted...

Every Lynch was set besides day 1 basically.

Well Scare's lynch came right out of nowhere. But most of the voters on it were town. I cant see scum would try to bus Scare to save their RB for one more night.
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Actually it was the sceptile day2 train that was probably my best non obvious vote all game.

Instead I was absent from the Lea/Red train alltogether. But I also explained that already. I didnt know which one of Lea or Red was worse. And I jokingly voted Corrik purely to see how he would respond in that moment (and afterwards) and I figured the red lynch was unavoidable and I didnt see a need to save Red either.
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Narancia Ghirga, TOWN Tracker.
Stand: Aerosmith

My scans are as I claimed. Death N1 MZero N2. No movement detected.

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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

I was already thinking of that. But what about my observation?

Also hang on...
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Actually, that speaks in my favor too.
If I was a Backup-like role.
Why wouldnt I have sent in the nightkill night1?
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I think that speaks much in Bens favor. Sultan on the other hand was not around to do anything.
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

Okay that is a good point in Bens favor. I dont think he would be the critical vote on the red lynch if he was scum.
Though I wish I could put 100 % of my faith in that. It could be that scum didnt think Red could be saved.
Even so that could easily have been fixed from scums side if they got red to make a damn vote on Lea already.

Red - 6 - Lea, Han, Bolt, (Ben), Chang, Plum, Ben
Lea - 4 - (Scare), (Plum), IGCD, (Bolt), Abacus, (puns), Scare, Puns
Bolt - 2 - (Han), (Puns), (Lea), Red, (Scare), (Plum), (Sultan), (Sceptile), (IGCD), (puns)
Puns - 1 - (IGCD), Sceptile, (Ben)
Damion - 1 - (IGCD), (Death), (Han), (Bolt), (Lea), Sultan
Death - 1 - Corrik, (Bolt), (IGCD)
IGCD - 1 - Damion
Corrik - 0 - (Plum), (Scare), (Chang), (Scare), (Scare)
Sceptile - 0 - (Han), (Puns), (Ben), (Lea), (Bolt), (Scare), (Chang), (Han), (Puns)
Sultan - 0 - (Bolt), (Bolt)
Han - 0 - (IGCD)
Chang - 0 - (Damion)
Plum - 0 - (IGCD), (Death), (Puns), (Abacus)
Ben - 0 - (Lea), (Sultan), (Damion), (Bolt)
Abacus - 0 - (Damion)

Still, this is the only interesting lynch in the whole game really. Day2 was between scum, scum and scum.

And Just look at how scattered scum was night1, only Scare made an attempt.
Sceptile apparently talked himself into a corner and couldnt vote Lea without looking bad for changing his mind. Damion was not even online.
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Looking at that it was probably Scare who sent in the nightkill at night1 (I wish Corriks redirect on me did anything in my favor, alas)
And the missing 5th scum member sent in the nightkills since, probably.

Someone find me deaths claim also. He also did some fishing day 1 also and I think there may be a post that doesn't jive with his claim from off memory.

I think I already went over this. Whatever people thought they found, was me deliberately trying to sound like I was not just a nilla.
(Why would I hint at being a nilla anyway?)
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At this point I am almost wanting more cases to happen to tell people how stupid they are being.

But that'd just hurt the wrong people too.
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Cmon Corrik, you really think I would be so obvious as to kill Chang just because he predicted my lynch next? (and where did he say this?)
Plus if Chang survived, odds were good that he would be lynched before me anyway.

scum wouldnt need to fear Chang once they reached 4 living players anyway.
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And if people want to lynch me, I can see the argument for its usefulness.
But I would much rather play it as safe as possible. So dont expect me to not fight every accusation still
Heck, all scum has to do is not kill anymore and it already renders Corriks power useless. At best it will show that Ben might scan innocent or guilty.
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Ben, the only reason I have fallen into the background is because every lynch seemed to be set in stone for so long. Like there was no way we could lose.
That clearly does not seem to be the case anymore.

I can only assume scum killed Changmas because Corriks action would have proved him innocent.
Which means scum knows that we know that there is only 1 scum left. And that Corrik is town.

Heck The only way Corrik can be scum now is if he is a persistent role too now that still somehow knows when he would have been roleblocked.

For Ben to be scum, he has to be unredictable.
For Sultan to be scum, he has to scan innocent.
For Abacus to be scum, he has to have played off a master of a long con game and somehow also deliberately skipped a nightkill.

It still seems easy to me to just lynch Sultan and Ben in that order. Sultans role just seems superfluous and also way too conveniently unproven.
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

This is a weird game alright.

##Vote: Lea
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Lea and then Chang.
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The one thing that gives me pause about Chang is the fact that his roleblock could explain one of the failed nightkills.

But I would much rather trust the numbers game than lynch Ben.
Besides we still have Corrik to potentially mess scum up.
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I feel like Chang could just be scum trying to get Ben mislynched still so he can save the Lea mislynch for later.
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