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I mean, yeah, if you want to grind out quests it's a pretty good tavern brawl for that.

Every once in a while a tavern brawl comes along that I actually want to play cause I actually enjoy the gameplay, though. Like the ones that mix together a new constructed format by combining a bunch of blocks that never existed at the same time, or by changing the rules of the game somehow. Or the ones where you pick 2 cards and try to make a deck where it gives you 15 copies of each. Some of those I've played 100+ games of. This isn't a brawl that I actually feel compelled to play because I find the gameplay enjoyable.

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Sometimes there's good ones. I'm not really interested in this one though (add a random spell--yeah no, not the kind of tavern brawl that interests me).

I just queued up wild mech paladin (a.k.a. wild deck with a bunch of minions), punched a Demon Hunter's face in, got my pack and left.

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Too late, I crafted it.

And beat a wild quest mage and a wild jade quest shaman with it.

I guess I am a Replicat-o-tron memer now.

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Someone on reddit asked for people to theorycraft what to do with replicat-o-tron. I theorycrafted a Wild Even Mech Paladin. And now I find myself wanting to craft 2x replicat-o-tron.

Send help

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Everyone else finished their entire best of 3 before Trump and Ddaihyoni finished game 1.

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LOLLL, Slyssa (who was locked on Paladin for the event) beat Firebat's OTK Demon Hunter in the Hearthstone innvitational.

(I don't know why Firebat queued OTK DH into Paladin, aggro DH has to be the better matchup against both Libram Paladin and Murloc Paladin...right?)

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I'm feeling skittish about dusting Frenzied Felwing. It's an adventure card, I've seen a few too many people sad on reddit about not being able to craft Frenzied Felwing (since you can't craft adventure cards).

Dusted Albatross and Waygate. Never actually owned Bloodbloom in the first place..

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Nerfs are out. Full dust refund available for these cards:

(initiate) Golden Altruis the Outcast
(initiate) Golden Battlefiend
Golden/Normal Bad Luck Albatross
Golden/Normal Frenzied Felwing
Golden/Normal Open the Waygate
Golden/Normal Bloodbloom

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

I think if you want some anti-aggro taunt that High Priestess Jeklik might be pretty good

Yeah, I'm running her (although I don't have Clutchmother Zavaas or Ebonlock). I cut her for a bit cause I saw a list pretty close to mind that only ran Loatheb, but I ended up discarding Loatheb before turn 5 anyway, so I cut Loatheb and went back to running Jeklik; I usually don't end up playing her in a lot of matchups, but she fills my hand with stuff I don't mind discarding, and often that's all I need.

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

I had replaced the Howlfiends with Kobold Librarians so between that and Flame Imp suddenly your 1 drops become Innervate. And with Ebonlocke they become pre-nerf Innervates

Yeah, I've thought about Kobold Librarians. Not sure if they're worth when I often go to fatigue on turn 7-8, but they would definitely help with turn 1 consistency. (I have Power Overwhelming in the flex spot right now, which...ehh, it's good for getting lethal against control opponents, but pretty meh against aggro).

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

The stock list looks something like this, although there's a lot of variations to make it more or less aggressive.
https://hearthstone-decks.net/discard-warlock-50-legend-%e9%9b%be%e9%83%bd%ef%bd%9c%e5%8f%af%e7%88%b1%e5%b0%8f%e8%80%81%e8%ae%b8/

Howlfiend huh? Hadn't even thought about that one, I should probably try it out, cause I wasn't really happy with Reckless Diretroll. I also played against (and lost to) someone running Darkglares, so that was interesting--not sure if it's right or wrong.

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Everyone knows about Skull of Gul'dan, but the centerpiece of this one is Hand of Gul'dan, which when you combine it with Expired Merchant becomes a 2 mana draw 3 (that then adds two more Hands to your hand). Seems good.

Fun fact, Expired Merchant+Hand of Guldan combo is available in standard--that might be a thing at some point when the meta slows down enough to make zoo a thing in standard.

I think the one I'm way more impressed by in wild is the interaction between The Soularium and Hand of Guldan, though.

It's like 1 mana draw 5, discard two of the cards you draw (but you can play them before the end of the turn instead of discarding them if you want). Fair and balanced interaction.

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Got a quest to play battlegrounds, so went back in for the first time since the 2 hero restriciton

got 3rd and 3rd.

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Started up the climb in wild again. Again with disco lock.

I've come to the conclusion that I don't understand this format right now. I lost to like...three murloc paladins in a row, and I was pretty confused. Like..I'm playing discard zoolock, I use minions and removal spells to clear their board right? Apparently not, they just have a killer lategame thanks to the new prime and prismatic lens for Anyfin. But like...I can't leave their board up can I? That can't be the right play against a murloc deck. (It's weird, the only new cards they're running are the new prime, and Hand of A'dal as their low cost spell to swap costs with Anyfin, but apparently this is enough to vault a deck from irrelevance to a deck I faced three times in a row).

I made some changes to my deck to make it more like some of the higher legend decklists I saw (reckless diretroll out, loatheb in, Jeklik out, Power overwhelming in).

I'm a little ho hum on the changes--loatheb just ended up getting discarded every time so in the end I just swapped him back for Jeklik; facing enough aggro mirrors anyway. Thinking of going back from power overwhleming to Reckless Diretroll; the problem with diretroll is that it tends to discard the wrong stuff--usually the high cost cards are the discard payoff cards, and the low cost cards are the ones I don't want to discard--the lists with diretroll tend to be running Clutchmother Zavass, which I have no intention of crafting. Also unsure about my 1 drops; I have Flame Imp in there, but it isn't feeling great--if I face an odd DH, they just kill it with their hero power; if I face a burn deck like secret mage, the 3 face damage is pretty bad. Some lists are cutting it. But when they cut Flame Imp they usually also cut power overwhelming (which makes sense--more board control less face damage) so I'd be looking for 4 replacements.

One list is also running 2x Cataclysm, which I had previously dismissed, but maybe I need to take that seriously. (Granted that was a Clutchmother Zavaas list).

Mmm...yeah IDK, deck is weird and I don't know how to build it. Meta is also weird.

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I didn't find Toki's quest hard to complete personally, took 3-4 tries I think. But there were people on the subreddit who took like 70+ tries. And also people who took 70+ tries to beat Tess.

(Toki taking lots of tries I can understand, because she does encourage you to take RNG cards, stuff can really go wrong and it's not your fault. But if Tess takes you lots of tries...you just need to play smarter. I died once or twice trying to beat Tess, got yelled at for being bad, and responded like "fine, coach me then if it's so easy"--immediately cleared it with coaching; almost every one of his suggested plays were different from the play I was going to make, too).

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UltimaterializerX posted...

What card should I cut for Warglaives of Azzinoth?

In highlander? Highlander doesn't run Warglaves of Azzinoth usually--Warglaives involve taking a ton of face damage.

You might want to cut something for Aldrachi Warblades though--Highlander values the healing fairly high, especially highlander running Inner Demon.

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Hmm...speculation time--what will aggro Demon Hunter look like after the nerfs? A few interesting data points here, first to Viper's twitter:

https://twitter.com/RYE_Viper/status/1251249873732751361

He's apparently been testing cutting Skull of Gul'dan for Priestess of Fury. Interesting choice right now--skull's drawn winrate is actually on the lower end of the deck lately. Even stronger choice after Sac Pact no longer hits Priestess. So ok, let's assume we're cutting Skull for Priestess.

Next up, if you cut skull, I think 4 mana Altruis starts looking sketchy. 4 mana Altruis should still be good when used after a skull, but if you're not running Skull then that isn't happening; so maybe cut Altruis as well.

After that...this was news to me, but someone shared the list they got to legend and they were apparently already cutting Frenzied Felwing pre-nerf:

https://hsreplay.net/decks/VS7rHuhLyIiqmNc4FTW7R/

Right, so if it was occasionally cut before, it's a very likely cut after the nerf.

The other two nerfed cards...

Might run 2x Blazing Battlemage 1x Battlefiend now? I think these are pretty close in overall power level after the nerf; Battlefiend is a bit better against control decks, Battlemage is a bit better against aggro decks.

Glaivebound adept was often cut down to a 1-of already, but it's mostly about the battlecry, so probably stays a 1-of.

So...-2 Skull +2 Priestess, -1 Battlefiend +1 Blazing Battlemage, -1 Altruis -2 Frenzied Felwing, +3 other 3 drops like Frozen Shadowreaver/Questing Adventurer?

I dunno, just speculating here.

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Man, I don't feel the urge to play DH like...at all while they're everywhere on the ladder, but I do also feel like I should level them up to 60 at some point.... At least I gained some levels on the class before it came out (by playing it in single player).

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

A lot of other things are getting nerfed though, but not Reno Priest which is probably gonna be the best deck after this. Good old Razanduin.

I mean, maybe.

I've seen really divided opinions on Raza priest from the wild community ranging from "it's too good" to "it's not actually a good deck." But I haven't actually seen a ton of them on ladder, and I tend to feel Raza Priest is easier for a lot of decks to deal with than Big Priest (Raza Priest doesn't break the game as quickly as Big Priest, although granted, breaks the game even harder when it does break the game).

At the end of the day, Secret Mage will probably continue being the most popular deck (as it has been for 8 months now) and Raza Priest has like...a 50% matchup against secret mage and is a much harder deck to pilot. So like...down in the pleb ranks I don't expect to see that much Raza Priest.

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As far as Druid goes, I would like to see Overgrowth and maybe Breath of Dreams nerfed. (Overgrowth could be 5 mana, Breath of Dreams could be 3 mana).

Like...those really seem like the clear problem cards in Druid right now. (Just nerfing Kael doesn't really stop druid from being dumb, since there's still Exotic Mountseller combos and Big Druid and Embiggen Druid and those decks don't even run Kael).

None of that would affect wild, granted. (I'm willing to wait and see a bit on wild, cause like...I haven't actually lost to a single druid in wild so far this patch).

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MrSmartGuy posted...

I'm almost positive we'll be praising our Druid overlords as soon as that patch goes through. That nerf to KT means practically nothing to them, because they weren't using him before they had 7 mana anyway.

Yeah, the KT nerf (much like the Frenzied Felwing nerf) definitely feels like it hits DH much, much harder than other classes. (I hadn't even thought about Kayn not being able to be played with KT).

That said, looking at the matchup spread on spell Druid there's a bunch of stuff that can beat it.

It tends to ignore boards, so like totem shaman/murloc paladin/evolve shaman with Mogu Fleshshaper crush it. And then control/slower midrange decks with lots of board clears also beat it (res priest, big demon hunter, control shaman, spell mage).

That said, the aggro decks like Totem Shaman and Murloc Paladin that just hope nobody touches their board are just awful against aggro demon hunter, (and no amount of nerfing is going to change that; 1 mana hero power and playing 1 drops is good against totems and murlocs) so we might be headed for a rock-paper-scissors meta.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

There is a vanilla 2/2 Hunter likes to run that seems like dog s*** in comparison, and a vanilla 2/2 for 1 is insane value.

There's also a 3/2 for 2 that Warlock likes to run (Flame Imp). I thought during spoiler season Battlefiend would be about as good as Flame Imp (a.k.a. fine).

I think if they hall of famed Flame Imp and gave Warlock a 2/2 that got +1 attack at the start of their turn, it wouldn't be a big deal and wouldn't be noticeably better or worse than Flame Imp.

Demon Hunter just had a few too many tempo tools like their 1 mana hero power and Eye Beam making it really easy to keep a growing minion alive, whereas Warlock doesn't have those kind of tools. Zoo warlock controls the board with their minions and just plays more minions after they trade away their flame imp, whereas Demon Hunter controls the board with spells and weapons, keeping their minions alive.

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Something interesting that was pointed out to me: It's now not possible to play Kael'thas and Altrius on the same turn, which actually sounds pretty significant for the combo deck.

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Frenzied Felwing nerf is a stealth nerf to Demon Hunter aggro, I think. It was the one minion that survived 2 damage breath of the infinite/consecration/holy nova. So while Felwing is used in multiple decks, that nerf is going to hit DH aggro harder than it's going to hit, say, Hunter aggro.

VeryInsane posted...

maybe albatross is kinda slow now too

It is, but also the hope is just that Albatross drops in popularity generally, so that people can play their pure paladin, spell mages, and highlander decks without facing decks that just run 2-of Albatross just because.

VeryInsane posted...

everything else feels like a slap in the wrist

Battlefiend nerf is pretty noticeable. Let's say you're a control deck and can't kill it until turn 4 (when you have consecrate/holy nova). Now it deals 2+3+4 damage, average of 3 per turn. So same as a 1 mana 3/2 Flame Imp. Before it dealt 3+4+5, effectively a 1 mana 4/2. Control decks are used to dealing with flame imps, not used to dealing with 1 mana 4/2s.

Against aggro decks...if your opponent goes first and plays a 1 mana 2/2 (Blazing Battlemage, Treeinforcements), it's going to be hard to play a 1 mana 1/2 into that. Demon Hunter might like...lose board control on turn 1 if they choose to play a growing minion. Weird thought, I know.

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Balance patch notes:

https://old.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/g36qsd/1702_balance_patch/

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Depending on how hard they hit Kael'thas, biggest winner might be control decks. Specifically control warlock seems to have its worst matchup against OTK demon hunter and spell druid right now, both of which rely on Kael'thas.

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Hmm...so I've been thinking about Glaivebound Adept being on the nerf list.

...While obviously a solid card (better than fire elemental) it's not actually that high power relative to other Demon Hunter cards. (It's often on the lower end of winrates, often cut down to a 1-of). Seemed like an odd choice for a nerf.

There's a few things that could be going on here.

One could be that it's a basic card, and maybe they don't want to deal with the balance implications of having this really good 5 drop around forever. Kind of an Azure Drake scenario.

The other would be just a class identity/weakness thing. I was watching a streamer who thought he was alive with Ice Barrier and 4 minions in play, thought the DH would be forced to attack face (Altrius was already used, metamorphosis was already used). Died to Glaivebound Adept. Glaivebound Adept can also be kind-of rude when you draw a couple of them off of skull; surprise 8 damage. Maybe it will be nerfed to only target minions? That would make Demon Hunter as a class a bit easier to play around.

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GANON1025 posted...

Ohhh yeah Libram buffs!! Pure Paladin somehow just got better

My best guess is that they will turn the weapon Libram of Justice gives you into Candleshot.

Cause like...I think the idea of that weapon is that you're supposed to use it to kill stuff you equality, but in practice your health is just too low so you need to pair it with something else.

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Well, finally did a little bit of climbing in wild (still in like silver, should get back to Diamond 5 at some point since I have a 10x mult).

Had played a few games of Even Shaman before but wasn't happy with it; lost them all. I know mech pally can make the climb but god I'm just kind-of bored of that deck.

So...tried out some of the new hotness, specifically Wild Discard Warlock. LOL this deck is nutty now. Beat a Druid after they played Kael'thas and got a free Ultimate Infestation. The deck only gets two new cards, Nightshade Matron, and Hand of Gul'dan, but there was a lot of existing power for disco warlock in wild (like Malchezar's Imp.

(Also what is up with people queueing the completely unmodified starter demon hunter deck in wild? Like...I'm being matched based on MMR right, with a 10x mult? I understand facing whatever in casual, but it's a bit eyebrow raising to see someone casting Coordinated Strike on turn 3 in ranked wild at high MMR).

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I just made a full on used-to-be-meta Wild Murloc Shaman (for a quest), and then lost to the starter DH deck (the one with Feast of souls and Coordinated Strike and Wrathscale Naga).

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Huh, apparently one of Res Priest's worst matchups is Totem Shaman (according to the data). I guess because they don't play any minions before turn 5, so they don't get any free attacks into 0/2 totems?

I'm still a little unclear about how Totem Shaman closes those games out, though.....

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azuarc posted...

I thought Bad Luck Albatross was a strong card from the day it was revealed. It just took until now for people to start playing it as such.

I mean...it got played in wild cubelock within days of release as a way to lock people out of the game. Usually getting played in wild is a sign that you have a strong card.

MoogleKupo141 posted...

Ive been playing that deck and had the eight 0 mana libram situation work out in my favor well. I had like three silver hand guys and was able to just build one up, trade with a minion, then build the next one up and trade, and repeat

im enjoying the deck, but im only at like platinum 7 or something

I've been doing ok with it at legend.

You definitely want to keep minions on board so that you can do the trading thing. If you can't keep minions on board, though, your hero power basically becomes summon a 9/9 every turn, which can still get there against some decks (not all decks, unfortunately).

It definitely doesn't win the lategame against every deck, though. But it does beat different lategames compared to other control decks. (Like it doesn't out lategame control warlock, but it rarely loses to OTK DH because it has so much healing).

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Yep, they've been hinting for months that the new mode is going to use wild cards somehow.

(The best guess anyone has is a rotating set structure, but maybe they're doing something more creative than that).

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skullbone posted...

I mean 4 mana 1/1 suggestion is only because I absolutely hate that card. Even when I'm playing a normal deck drawing the 1/1 albatross is basically "don't draw a card this turn"

Yeah, for sure.

But like...in a typical game you'll draw about half your deck, skip one draw from Albatross, which makes it similar to Loot Hoarder in that situation.

So like a 2 mana 2/1 would be similar. But instead its stats are more in line with a 2 mana 3/2 which is pretty o_O

(Although granted, getting a draw right now is stronger than making your opponent skip a draw 6 turns from now).

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UltimaterializerX posted...

What did Albatross ever do wrong?

Same thing as 3 mana BGH and 2 mana Ironbeak Owl. It's a tech card whose stats are so good that you don't get punished for playing it against a deck it doesn't counter.

skullbone posted...

It needs to be a 3 mana 1/1 or maybe even a 4 mana 1/1

Ehhh...it still needs to counter the stuff it's supposed to counter (Pure Paladin, Highlander, Spell mage). 4 mana 1/1 is so bad that even if you know what deck you're going to face, and know that it's spell mage (or pure pally) I'm not sure that card is good enough to put in your deck. Like...ok sure, it turns their Apexis Blasts into 5 mana deal 5 damage, but as much as 5 mana deal 5 damage is a bad card, 4 mana 1/1 is a worse card, so you'd probably lose anyway even if you drew and played that on turn 4.

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VeryInsane posted...

Like two games of playing it, both of them I was able to get a totemic reflection off of a mana tide totem and that basically won me the game.

Turns out 3 mana to add 4/7 worth of stats additional to the board that also draws a card is pretty good.

Who knew?

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davidponte posted...

I haven't played in a few days but I was scrolling through the end of the last topic with my headphones on very loud listening to music and for some reason the Twitch clip posted in post #975 started autoplaying and it scared the s*** out of me.

Yeah, IDK what I did wrong there.

When I post a youtube video it doesn't even embed, but somehow when I post a twitch clip it autoplays every time you refresh the page.

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Kael'thas fix is simple. "The third spell you play this turn is free." That way you get one big free spell, but there's no spamming of 0-cost spells just to crank out three pyroblasts or inner demons or ultimate infestations.

I don't think they'll do that, basically kills the card. (There's literally two dragons in hearthstone right now that let you cast one spell for free; casting one spell for free just isn't worth that much).

They implied that they wanted to keep the potential of Kael'thas, but tone it down a bit.

Might be every 4th spell, might just be a mana cost increase on Kael, but from the way they were talking about the card, I don't think they're going to take it outside and butcher it.

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https://old.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/g0okne/hearthstone_team_ama_april_14/fnel6p8/?context=3

There will be additional changes coming shortly that is focused on Demon Hunter, Standard, Wild, and Arena.
For Demon Hunter, we are still monitoring the data as it comes in but expect 1 or 2 cards to see a change. We are thrilled by how players have responded to Demon Hunter, but we want the class to be in a healthy state for years to come. Will be adjusting as we see fit in order to get it into a great spot.
For other standard cards, we are looking at a number of cards including Sacrificial Pact, Bad Luck Albatross, Frenzied Felwing, and Kael'Thas. Some of these cards present some raw power that is just a little too high (Bad Luck Albatross, Frenzied Felwing), while a card like Kael'Thas can create some crazy swing turns but that's usually only fun for one player. Kael'Thas is a super interesting card though so we don't want to kill off his combo potential entirely.
When it comes to Sac Pac, we don't believe it is fun if it plays such a large role in the metagame. That says a lot about where the meta is and your ability to play certain cards. Also, it would be awesome to see more Jaraxxus!
For Wild, we know there has been a lot of very strong reactions to Quest Mage and Darkest Hour Warlock. These decks play in a one-player fashion similar to other decks we've nerfed in the past. There's going to be crazy combos in Wild, but we don't think these two decks in particular are healthy. Expect to see changes to Open the Waygate and Bloodbloom.

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MrSmartGuy posted...

RegisKillbin just did a video showcasing Totem Shaman, and it really does seem pretty strong. He shows that top tier in the first 10 seconds of it. Time to put Mass Dispel back in my Highlander Priest, I guess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TADdoIpwQPU&t=0s

I mean, I played some totem shaman in wild, where you can pair Totemic Reflection with Primal Fusion and Totem Golem.

So...here's the thing, Totemic Reflection is the best card in the deck by fucking miles (in both standard and wild). Like...look at the drawn winrate stats on this deck: https://hsreplay.net/decks/4eXc1WxNTDTDIWhhQd82ob/ -- that's some Keleseth/Zephrys level winrate on Totemic Reflection. If you don't draw Totemic Reflection, though, you........just have a bad deck. At least that was my experience in wild.

I'll note that in Regis' video, he edits the video (his rank goes down sometimes between games that he won). He draws Totemic Reflection in every game he actually included in the youtube video. (In the video he...also talks about how he got legend off-stream by playing demon hunter).

I want to like this deck, I usually like making totem synergy decks for some reason, but god, decks that are all about drawing one card tend not to be that fun to me.

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MrSmartGuy posted...

is this the f***ing twilight zone

am I dreaming

I don't see either of those on the free meta report.

But...aggro decks always seem to overperform winrate a bit on HSReplay meta reports, and Totem Shaman and Murloc Paladin are both pretty aggro.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

Octosari was a mistake.

I kind of love Octosari.

It's like...simultaneously bad sometimes, while sometimes really good, and there have been times when Octosari was good enough to run in wild.

It's kind of exactly what I want to see out of high rarity cards--something with potentially a lot of power that's really hard to use, and that you don't need to craft in order to compete.

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This is pretty amazing:

https://clips.twitch.tv/PricklyAdorableStinkbugAllenHuhu

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Man, I have had some weird conversations with people about balance with regards to Demon Hunter.

First it was reddit being super mad that Priestess of Fury wasn't nerfed. (A few days later and legend players aren't even including that card in decks anymore).

But today I had a real head scratcher--someone who thought Aldrachi Warblades should have its nerf reversed (it shouldn't--was run in every DH deck pre nerf and pretty much the highest winrate card in every deck) that Twin Slice is just a bad card that enables some good cards (ehh...I guess this one is possible? I think it would still be solid without synergies) and that Furious Felfin should be nerfed (what? High legend decks mostly aren't even running it...)

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I saw a dragon hunter list on running that new 5/4 dormant for 2 mana, and the new secret and thought, yeah, that seems like a good fit in the deck, I'll try that out.

Tried it out in legend. Got destroyed, like 0-6.

The 5/4 dormant itself never really felt particularly impactful.

Also, demon hunters have all switched over to that new aggro list where they don't run any 7 drops or much healing and also run Warglaves of Azzinoth and it's a lot harder to deal with (at least for dragon hunter). They kind of do the thing that dragon hunters do, where they have a high durability 3 attack weapon, and can just keep clearing the board with it. Except they can clear 4 minions in one turn, instead of 4 minions over 4 turns. Well, RIP farming DH with hunter, they were farmable before, when they were running the 7 mana 6/7 Priestess of Fury for Rotnest Drake to dunk on, but I guess they finally realized that card was bad.

Also playing the 1 mana 2/2 into a turn 1 Crimson Sigil Runner that already drew a card feels awful; same mana spent, just down a card. I tried not doing that, coining out the 5/4 dormant--that was a mistake (allowed them to get a free 3/3 and I didn't live to see turn 5).

So anyway I switched back to Pure Paladin and gained back a bunch of ranks.

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I just got wrecked by Al'ar in wild. AMA.

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skullbone posted...

Hmm Highlander Libram Paladin sounds interesting now that you mention it...

Highlander Libram just sounds skethcy.

Often in Libram paladin I draw my Librams without drawing my cost reducers, or draw my cost reducers without drawing my Librams.

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LiquidOshawott posted...

Buckled down and crafted Zixor and made it to Diamond 4 with Highlander Hunter, its just a pretty strong curve deck and Im pretty surprised with how well I did vs Demon Hunter.

I think hunter beats demon hunter in general right now. I tried Dragon Hunter, and beat two legend demon hunters in a row. Rotnest Drake killing their 6/7 is usually game-ending.

And then I played against a highlander hunter who played Dragonmaw Poacher and Oozed my weapon, and understood why nobody is playing Dragon Hunter right now.

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Fun animation posted on the Hearthstone youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxIBOM0-dlo&feature=emb_logo

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UltimaterializerX posted...

Kayn Sunfury HAS to get nerfed, right? Like there is no planet where this garbage is fair.

Ehh...it's not being run in every demon hunter deck (it's like the third best legendary beind Altrius and Metamorphosis).

Ok, technically fourth best legendary if you count the fact that there's more Demon Hunter decks running Zephrys than Kayn according to HSReplay.

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skullbone posted...

Would Hearthstone be better with some sort of MMR system that also factored in number of turns or something? I think something that always made me upset in the past was spending 30 minutes in a game to get 1 win and then losing on turn 5 the next game and feeling like it was all pointless.

If an aggro deck and a control deck have the same winrate on ladder then most people are going to play aggro just because it's faster to climb. I think that's part of why we always see so much aggro

I mean, that only works if you also lose more points for losing a long game. Otherwise control decks would just be guaranteed to climb even with a negative winrate.

And if you do lose 2 stars for losing a long game, you could still game the system by playing a grindy control deck that wins at fatigue, and conceding early if you don't think you're going to win the long game (matched against a combo deck). Also purposefully delaying your win for the extra star. But then people would also not want to lose the extra star, and would concede early against you too.

I don't know--I agree that there's an issue, but I can't actually think of any solutions that really make it better.

The one place that does incentivize control decks a little more is when they have the brawlsoleums, where you get more rewards the better your winrate.

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