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TopicSupreme Court rules 6-3 that it is illegal to fire someone for being gay/lesbian
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 11:34:29 PM
#127
Bullet_Wing posted...
The fact that 3 justices voted that it was OK is everything wrong with America


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TopicTrumps right. if we stop testing, cases will drop to 0! problem solved!
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 11:24:32 PM
#4
Lol Squall is melting down

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TopicWhy hasn't the theory been floated that the royal family killed Epstein?
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 11:18:35 PM
#2
TopicI like how 2 of the cops forgot to smile.
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 9:41:56 PM
#4
Vicious_Dios posted...
What if they don't feel like smiling and are still very happy with themselves while the rest are smiling hypocritically hating life?
Then they still look miserable.

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Topic*Huge Monday Night RAW Spoilers* Someone is BAAAAACK
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 9:41:20 PM
#2
I thought he had to retire due to concussion because any simple head bump could cause brain damage?

I don't see WWE risking that after Benoit.

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TopicTrump is talking about zero testing means no cases again
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 9:39:35 PM
#19
ThunderTrain posted...
Remember when he said the 15 cases would be 0 soon?
Like a miracle, it'll be gone someday

And then he denied saying it when asked.

Even his OWN propaganda videos had to skip like 3 weeks when covering his corona response.

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TopicI like how 2 of the cops forgot to smile.
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 9:37:44 PM
#1
TopicAtlanta police shooting: Rayshard Brooks death declared homicide
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 9:34:03 PM
#52
And at the same time, Candace Owens is saying she's going to fund the cop

https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1272222306945941505

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TopicOfficer who shot suspect that tazed police has been fired.
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 9:33:00 PM
#128
TopicThe president on not falling over.
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 9:30:20 PM
#35
ShaunAttwood posted...
Sometimes I wonder if Biden even knows what position hes running for.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGymiFlyl0E

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Topicwho would win a race war in america?
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 9:25:35 PM
#31
There was an episode of Star Trek Voyager where it turned our Dinosaurs built spaceships and flew to the other side of the universe.

They bump into humans and are super pissed by the notion that they evolved on the same planet.

It was all a big metaphor for Galileo and the opposition to evolution.

But my takeaway I wanted to learn more about was Dinosuars 800 million yeas ago building spaceships.

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TopicIts kinda crazy how people have just stopped caring about coronavirus
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 9:21:45 PM
#28
Sadly people didn't care from the offset.

Trump lied about it repeatedly.

Then most people ignored lockdowns.

Now people are all hyped up protesting.

Yeh the second wave is going to be awful. America just seems to have decided that old people and at risk people are just going to have to die for the sake of haircuts

Remember when Obama was accused of death pannels?

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TopicWhat is with Candace Owens anyway?
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 9:19:02 PM
#2
Michael Caine was once asked "Have you seen Jaws 4?"

And he replied:

"Nope, but I saw the house that it paid for and it's lovely, thank you for asking."

A job is a job.

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TopicFox News rekt by Monty python joke
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 9:11:03 PM
#11
Southernfatman posted...
You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just cause some watery tart threw a sword at you. I mean if I went round saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me they'd put me away!

COME SEE THE VIOLENCE INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM!

Be quiet!

'ELP! 'ELP! I'M BEING OPPRESSED!

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TopicHuh, I always thought the 'Too smart to be a police officer' thing was a joke.
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 9:06:52 PM
#12
What's also interesting is that Jordan provided a bunch of evidence that there is actually no quantifiable evidence that turnover is higher for intelligent people. Statistically it seems the same.

But the court concluded that it doesn't matter. Because the reasoning of the police was for a 'rational reason', therefore it's not discrimination even if the reason ends up not being correct.

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TopicEnough Is Enough: Star Wars Director Is Donating $10 Mil To Help Fight Racism
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 9:00:32 PM
#2
The director doesn't write the script dude.

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TopicRacism knows no color. It exists to hate.
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 9:00:01 PM
#2
Omasitor Hain posted...
Or just blame an easy target; anyone who doesn't look like you.
Racists can be self hating

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Topic$700,000 but your genitals become a random color.
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 8:59:16 PM
#22
Is this the first CE poll ever to have every vote be yes?

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TopicOfficer who shot suspect that tazed police has been fired.
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 8:56:15 PM
#126
Atlanta has ruled that the killing was unlawful and the cop looks likely to be facing murder charges.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53047282
Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard told CNN that three charges could apply against sacked police officer Garrett Rolfe: murder, felony murder and aggravated assault.
"But I believe in this instance, what we have to choose between, if there's a choice to be made, is between murder and felony murder," Mr Howard said.

This is way outside the norm for police shootings and could be a sign of the future. Actual accountability?

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TopicAtlanta police shooting: Rayshard Brooks death declared homicide
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 8:50:31 PM
#51
jeffhardyb0yz posted...
Not trying to stir the pot, I believe it to be a homicide as well, but I wonder how many of these new charges are coming in result of fear from protesters As opposed to legitimate inquiries of police brutality.

I guess what Im trying to say is, are these legitimate efforts to recognize whats going on, or are these tip toed charges Because they are afraid of the backlash
Either way it's a good thing. This should be the new norm

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TopicNASCAR unveils both BlackLivesMatter and BlueLivesMatter cars
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 8:44:09 PM
#38
I would expect "Bubba" to be a Blue lives guy

And "Kyle" to be a Black Lives guy

Don't get many liberals called Bubba.

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TopicHuh, I always thought the 'Too smart to be a police officer' thing was a joke.
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 8:40:29 PM
#5
lilORANG posted...
Walmart too. I failed that pre-test for being too driven to succeed lol.
Same reason probably

They say intelligent people tend to get better jobs so the high turnover makes them not worth hiring

While the dumb-dumbs have no where else to go

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TopicHuh, I always thought the 'Too smart to be a police officer' thing was a joke.
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 8:35:37 PM
#1
https://www.aele.org/apa/jordan-newlondon.html
Robert Jordan was a 46-year-old Caucasian who applied for a position as a police officer in New London, Connecticut. As part of the application process, Jordan completed a battery of tests that included the Wonderlic Personnel Test, a test of general cognitive ability. When Jordan later inquired about the status of his application, he was told that he had been eliminated from the applicant pool because of his score on the intelligence test - he had scored too high and was judged to be unacceptable for a job as a police patrol officer.

Jordan filed a lawsuit against the city, claiming that its employment decision violated his constitutional right to equal protection under the law. City officials were then faced with preparing a defense to attempt to justify their hiring practice.

But no, it's a real thing.

Talk about a way for the government to insult everyone on the force.

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TopicDid we ever find out what Obamagate was?
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 7:43:36 PM
#40
Bluebomber182 posted...
obamagate is the friends we made along the way
lol

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TopicHow will you feel when Trump gets re-elected, despite the protests and COVID
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 6:42:35 PM
#33
Disappointed but not surprised

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TopicThe country needs a galvanizing force. Usually wars are used as such forces
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 4:27:46 AM
#8
He's pushing for one with Iran

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TopicAndrew Cuomo tells protesters "you won, please stop protesting"
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 2:34:55 AM
#12
voldothegr8 posted...
Are we back to hating Cuomo now?
We stopped?

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TopicWatching Disaster Artist on Netflix
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 2:04:59 AM
#22
UnholyMudcrab posted...
The movie glosses over several things to portray Wiseau more sympathetically.
Fun fact about this

There is actually another movie which is a documentary called "Room Full of Spoons" which is a about The Room and it's cult fanbase.

It was supposed to release at the same time as Diaster Astist for obvious marketing reasons. But Tommy Wiseau sued them with a SLAPP lawsuit that he intentionally held up in court for years to prevent it from airing because it was critical of him

Just recently Wiseau has lost a countersuit and will be forced to pay millions in damages for lost revenue by preventing the releast of the movie

so if you're interested in a less friendly look at the Room, check that out when it finally releases

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TopicAbout to play Subnautica. Any advice?
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 1:59:24 AM
#30
Nurse! The fish are talking to me again.

I don't really gets what's going on but I made a bunch of telekentic fish that possibly killed a bunch of aliens happy?

And I guess that's a win.

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TopicDONT RESISt
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 1:37:42 AM
#15
Well as long as you decide all the people police kill and brutalize who weren't resisting are not relevant, then I guess everything is okay.

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TopicOfficer who shot suspect that tazed police has been fired.
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 1:35:53 AM
#68
zinezinzadan posted...


Im not ignoring; thats just where we disagree...
"It's okay for cops to be incompetent and brutalize or kill people if they commited a crime" is not something you can just "disagree" on

Decades of this is why people are protesting right now

zinezinzadan posted...
The officer doesnt know if the suspect will come back running for him... When the police see violent behavior, they feel that an individual is a threat to the community. Theyre probably scared that the suspect will come back and gang up on the cops. Technically they take a risk by letting the suspect go.

  1. that's after the cops have already screwed up
  2. "Well he might be a risk potentially in the future so therefore we have to shoot him in the back now" is not acceptable. Hell by that logic we need to kill the cop who got fired because he shoots people in the back and as such might be a risk in the future.
It's not even coherant.

It's not reasonable for police to kill people unless they have no choice. This is redoubled for situations they created due to incompetence

You're arguing in favor of a complete authortatian police state with no accountability, restraint or skills. That's not a good idea or anything most people are going to accept.

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TopicDONT RESISt
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 1:17:45 AM
#6
1:

QueenCarly posted...
Police brutality occurs even if the person isn't resisting.


2:

Resisting doesn't justify brutality and killing.

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TopicOfficer who shot suspect that tazed police has been fired.
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 1:01:30 AM
#63
No one is denying that the suspect was in the wrong.

Being "in the wrong" shouldn't result in a death sentence and the cops fucked up repeatedly for reasons you keep intentionally ignoring.

That's why he was fired and that's why people are upset.

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TopicOfficer who shot suspect that tazed police has been fired.
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 12:42:29 AM
#61
Solid Snake07 posted...


No, it's not. But if you want act like an immature a****** about it I'm just gonna let it rest, I've said my piece.

Your piece is poorly thought out and has no logic or reason behind it. It also encourages bad policing and death



It sucks that something trivial had to turn out this way. But there was no gross misconduct here.

Actually there was plenty. but sad to see you don't think shooting people in the back and not knowing how to do your job is misconduct.

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TopicOfficer who shot suspect that tazed police has been fired.
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 12:37:59 AM
#59
Solid Snake07 posted...
This isn't about him "deserving to be shot". It's about him 100% being at fault for the series of events that transpired in a matter of seconds that lead to him being shot.

That's poor logic though.

The police didn't have to shoot him and screwed up repeatedly.

Yeah he was a criminal, no one is denying that but going "Well he caused the series of events for police to screw up over and over and over and over an then not know how to handle themselves. Therefore it's not the cops' fault they are incompotent" is insane.

Yes in almost every case of police fuck ups the perp caused the situation in which the police messed up.


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TopicOfficer who shot suspect that tazed police has been fired.
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 12:31:09 AM
#56
Solid Snake07 posted...


You are critisizing a life and death split second decision from behind a keyboard after pondering what happened in retrospection for atleast, I would assume, a few minutes of thought before coming to a conclusion.

You can make an arguement that he made the wrong decision. Im not saying you're wrong. Hell, he might even think he made the wrong decision. You're not taking into account the perspective of having to make that call on the spot so fast that it's more instinct than judgement.

They got to that point because this escalated WAAAY further than it should have. And while I don't want to speak ill of a dead man, this guy 100% was the one who escalated it to that point. These cops were pretty professional and polite to him the entire half hour leading up to placing him under arrest and the incident that followed. He instantly flipped the swich that lead to what happened when they tried to cuff him. That doesn't mean he deserved to die, but it does mean he held a majority of the blame for how events transpired.

This is flat out false, there a number of screw ups the cops made along the way that resulted in this. Saying the perp 100% escalated it just encourages more bad cops.

Basic descalation concepts were ignored.

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TopicOfficer who shot suspect that tazed police has been fired.
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 12:29:35 AM
#55
zinezinzadan posted...
I dont understand why the officer was fired. In their employee contract it clearly states that you are allowed to neutralize a threat at all costs if you are being attacked. The officers were being attacked, on camera, with video evidence.... This is the grey area where I, a BLM supporter, start to lose respect for some individuals when I read the comments on social media.

A couple of posts from the other topic:

Guns_of_Verdun posted...
A good comparison:

I remember when people were mocking that 15 second clip of the UK polie backing away from a dude with a knife and everyone laughed at them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmTNZfR4dNw

Hell look at the comments, people are still angry and laughing that the police didn't shoot him.

Note that the footage cuts at 15 seconds because moments later the police then arrested him and no one was hurt. That man is still alive in prison.

The idea of "The man is potentially dangerous therefore it's okay to kill him" is following the letter rather than the spirit of the law.

Police have the authority to kill people if they need too. It's not supposed to be a blanket statement of "Oh boy, now you get to get away with doing it if you want too!" it's not a privliege, it's a protection.

That's why people are upset. You're going "But the letter of the law says the police are allowed to kill him. Therefore it's okay that they killed him. They would have looked silly if they didn't kill him and then just arrested him or something." and that upsets people because you've lost the point of what any of this is supposed to be.


Guns_of_Verdun posted...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_by_country

Specifically we'll be looking at deaths per 10 million people, so we can get a feel for the company that the US shares

As a baseline, in the US, cops kill 46.6 per 10 million (2019). How do the countries with similar numbers compare?

Democratic Republic of the Congo: 47.8 (2018)
Iraq: 45.1 (2019)
Nigeria: 44.0 (2018)
Kenya: 43.5 (2018)

Well that's weird, those aren't typically the countries you see associated with America. Let's check in on our brothers and sisters in Europe

Germany: 1.3 (2018)
France: 3.8 (2018)
U.K.: 0.5 (2018)

Hmm.

Their "luck" seems to be paying off. It seems like Every first world country except America is "lucky" and countries facing unrest, civil wars, terrorism and an unstable governments are "unlucky."

Unlucky England has a knife crime problem and yet almost 1% of the amount of police killings the US has.

Also says it all that you can't justify why. Just saying "They are dumb"

Hell you didn't respond to anything else I said either

The question becomes what do you WANT?

Do you want the police to uphold the law at all costs no matter what. Regardless of the what the law is or the circumstances or the consequences.

Or do you want the police to try to make society a better and safer place by protecting and serving the people.

Because you are right. Legally the cops are allowed to kill any perp who has a weapon no matter the circumstances. The law has to be written that way to protect cops. But it's not in the interests of society for police to use that protection as a priviledge to just kill anyone they are allowed too. They should have some skill and training to handle situations with least amount of bloodshed and death as possible.


Whether or not the actions are legal are not always the point. A cop can kill anyone who has a weapon, that doesn't mean that they SHOULD. That's a law for desperation, not an excuse.

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TopicAbraham Lincoln statues are next on the list
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 12:07:53 AM
#13
Omasitor Hain posted...
Every country should destroy itself, since no country's hands are completely clean. If you want to point fingers, I hope you have enough to point at the entire world. Lol.
This isn't fair

We're talking about literal statues in public places.

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Topicquestion about castlevania season 3 last episode scene (SPOILER)
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 12:06:26 AM
#2
A saint wouldn't marry dracula.

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TopicYammy Llargo
Guns_of_Verdun
06/15/20 12:06:03 AM
#3
That looks like one of those perspective photos where the guy is actually really far away

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TopicThere's nothing more annoying in a video game than limited inventory
Guns_of_Verdun
06/14/20 11:59:57 PM
#12
Depends on the game

It works in things like Resident Evil where resource management is part of the game.

In things like The Witcher and Fallout it's just a nusiance.

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TopicBlack man found hanging from a tree in Manhattan park
Guns_of_Verdun
06/14/20 11:57:15 PM
#98
Wow @ people claiming all of these are suicides.

Do you know anything about American history? A black dude is not going to hang himself from a tree, let alone 3 of them.

WTF "message" do you even think they would be trying to send? Because the message is a direct threat to black people.

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TopicKaren calls cop on man for walking on the sidewalk
Guns_of_Verdun
06/14/20 9:07:48 PM
#37
TopKekBro posted...
Is it me or the Karens are doing this more and more often and they are getting more and more theatrical, ever since the Amy Cooper thing?

why do karens hate black guys so much? Theyre literally trying to get them killed left and right. It is freaky
I don't think they are doing it more often I think the videos of it are just getting more traction.

People have been talking about this for decades

Even guys in the 40s talk about women clutching their purses tightly and crossing the street when they see a black guy

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TopicProtests perhaps riots going on in Atlanta now over the newest shooting.
Guns_of_Verdun
06/14/20 8:12:30 PM
#429
And again ignored every point I made.

And then you wonder why there's so much anti-cop sentiment right now.

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Topic9 of 11 statues of Confederate leaders Pelosi wants removed from Capitol were
Guns_of_Verdun
06/14/20 8:11:55 PM
#23
It's almost like Democrats and Republicans famously flipped idealogies...

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TopicProtests perhaps riots going on in Atlanta now over the newest shooting.
Guns_of_Verdun
06/14/20 8:08:48 PM
#426
ThisGuyAreSick posted...


And if that is indeed true, that makes it justified?

Language is clumsly here
Justified in the legal sense? Yes

Justified in the ethical, moral, pragmatic sense? No.



Lmfao f*** outta here. Bulls*** southern ass law if that's true.

It's not just a Southern Law it's true of pretty much every police force on Earth. If your life is in danger you're allowed to kill the perp.

The law can't be specific because obviously there will be complex scenarios going on and the police need to act on the spot. So it has to be a blanket protection and police need to use their judgement

The question is "just because you're allowed, does that mean you SHOULD?"

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TopicProtests perhaps riots going on in Atlanta now over the newest shooting.
Guns_of_Verdun
06/14/20 8:02:26 PM
#424
ThisGuyAreSick posted...
He wasn't even charged as a felon yet, let alone convicted. If he was a threat to the safety of officers and others, the law would say a taser is a lethal weapon. It's not.
HE didn't say he was a convited felon. He said lethal force was justified under the fleeing felon rule. Which means cops are allowed to treat people suspected of commiting a felony as felons.

And he's right. The cop who shot the guy did not break the law by shooting him.

There are other parts of the story which might be misconduct but the actual killing is protected by letter of the law. He's not wrong when he says that.

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