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Won't amount to anything because Trump has literally never done anything immoral or wrong in his entire life.

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I'm pretty sure that's all either fake news, he was joking, tongue-in-cheek, or "you can't fix stupid". Also Benghazi, email, birth certificate

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Gotta love the gang spies like U.S., the one where Charlie and Frank find out about Dennis and Mac's "Asian Creampie Research"

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One of the few times I'm glad to be in NJ, at least my state actually took it seriously from the gate. Granted we have our share of anti-mask low-IQ morons trying to fuck everything up, but they're pretty outnumbered by people who actually give a shit about others.

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Because they think they're badass and edgy when in reality everyone thinks they're a bunch of morons.

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

because republicans dont want disenfranchised people to vote

Well besides the obvious, I'm just curious what kind of imaginary voter fraud can come from a week long voting period.

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Why can't the voting period be 7 days? That way everyone can find the time to get out to vote and the lines wont be nearly as bad. Or is that open to voter fraud as well?

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I dont think its gonna be a big win, I'm expecting voter suppression like Georgia had today, I'm also expecting voter intimidation at the polls as well by the meatheads

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

When you got wound up that people would bring up how the problem is more universal than just to black people, highlighting how widespread the issue is.

It doesn't, note how nobody is against police reform. However if the police read the issue as exclusively black, then they may just bandaid it and reduce police in black areas to reduce incidents with black people instead of dealing with the propensity to resort to violence prematurely. You insisting it's a black problem is what pushes the police away from reform and toward a shitty stat gaming excersion. It makes the problem look localised (say specific departments), when we know it's systemic.

There's no need to tie them together and limit the scope. Overt brutality in principle is wrong, not just to black people, and you're giving them the opportunity to undercut their work.

What step can be taken that wouldn't help every other race too? And because it effects everybody, why do you want to emphasise the effect on black people? Do you want them to specifically target inner city neighbourhoods with more black people, or do you want to target all inner city neighbourhoods but hype up your victimhood?

Or people who have a problem with their methods. Violence and racism doesn't win hearts and minds. If you cry about the woes of racism while simulataneously saying "no white people", nobody's going to take you seriously.

Okay.

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

No, just to engage violent criminals without any force if they're black or just let them go if they resist.

People commit crimes for a lot of reasons, do you assume all black criminals are morally righteous drug dealers supporting a starving family? But regardless, as you said, it doesn't excuse their actions.

Not to say white lives matter every time a pedophile is arrested lol

Until you can prove it, we have to assume everything is kosher. When you have proof then people have a reason to support you outside blind faith and have something to present to validate the movement.

Because they want to keep their wages down they're going to favour illegal immigrants who are more willing to take pay under the table and can't complain when they're underpaid. It directly effects the poor. It's not an easy thing to deal with and there's definitely more effective ways to alleviate the problem, but it is an actual identifiable explanation for why they can't get jobs. It's one step above the dumpster fire of "EVERYTHING IN MY LIFE IS SHIT BECAUSE I'M BLACK".

Prove how any aspect of my life has been improved by my being white. I live in a predominantly black area, I've had 2 black foster moms, I have a blue collar job, my housing is basic. What privilege have I recieved from my skin colour that I've not recognised?

Exactly. You don't care about the problem itself, you care about how it effects black people. You are a racist, you explicitly want the solution to not help other races, you care less about the problem when it effects someone who isn't black.

When did I say I dont want the solution to help other people? How does the solutions carry ANY DETRIMENT to non-POC? Holding police accountable for racism and overt brutality to black people helps EVERYONE. Taking real steps to improve inner city black neighborhoods help EVERYONE. The only people who should have a problem with BLM and actually focusing on the black problems are the ones who BENEFIT from the boot on the neck of POC.

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Then there's nothing to protest. If you accept that it does not excuse the crime, then it is appropriate that they would be arrested for the crime at their higher rate. It would be racist to then say that black people should be arrested less despite not having an excuse for the crimes commited.

I never said dont arrest people that commit crimes.

You haven't proven shit. All I see is white people commiting less crime, and that you refuse to address it.

Do you think black people commit crimes because it's fun? Or could there MAYBE be a deeper reason for it that I've tried to explain that you conveniently ignore?

Once again, what their crime is is irrelevant, but I'd like to note that there is more violent crime by black people on average, so inherently there should be a more violent response on average.

And theres more sexual assault and child endangerment and pedophilia among the white community, what should the response to that be?

Prove this happening, also protesting that might be more productive if you have any proof that exists.

Yup you're right, that NEVER happens.

At least blaming illegal immigration directly targets them, the poor, by highlighting the actually present issue of illegal hiring that allows tax to be saved and wages to be below minimum for those who act criminally. It doesn't solve a whole lot but it does have some standing and isn't trying to give a reason to act criminally.

Yep, it's illegal immigration keeping wages down, not huge corporations hoarding trillions while paying workers shit. Keep spewing the fox news bullshit

Easy to say the deck is stacked against you when times are tough than get on your feet and try to make your life better. If you choose to cry that things aren't in your favour, you're going to get approximately zero respect from those around you.

Easy to say from a position of white privilege

And how does that specifically have anything to do with being black? If you improve communities and small businesses then all people are helped because ALL LIVES MATTER. Do you get it now?

Because the issue is with the BLACK COMMUNITY! Stop trying to make every single thing about white people


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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Well it ain't anything inherent to being black, bud. Being poor isn't an excuse.

Never said it was an excuse, it's the reason.

See above.

Then I guess we should have Methhead Lives Matter also?

Meth is predominantly a hillbilly white drug, cops dont mess with white people as much as black people, as has been proven

you don't get to say "I wasn't happy so just let me go smoke up and attack people", there's no excuse.

Didnt say they were attacking people, was citing the reason for the demand of drug dealers in black communities. And once again, not an excuse, the reason.

Move, help eachother get jobs, start businesses, graft. Again, hicks aren't crying that their lives matter yet their areas are just as fucky.

Move where? To the decent communities where they'll be exiled and pushed out by the racist police force? And the hicks aren't crying because they've been given the distraction of people to blame their problems on by the media.

I expect you to either act within in the law and accept that you don't get a better place in life by just wishing for it, or keep acting like a criminal but remember that you've only got yourself to blame if you get caught. Take responsibility for your life however you choose to play it.

Easy to say when the deck isnt stacked against you from birth.

It'll only go down if you try to reduce it, not by demanding the police not enforce the law to make convenient stats look better.

Nobody said not to enforce the law, taking away the REASON for crime by investing in community schooling and small business so people dont have to break the law to feed themselves.


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Kyuubi4269 posted...

It's simply not highlighted as nobody cares if a white guy is profiled. More black people get targeted, but that's because more black people are commiting crimes. If a ginger guy robs a bank and the police start stopping gingers to find the perp you wouldn't get the same shit, but it's the same thing.

Ever stop and think WHY black people commit more crimes?

Commit less crimes, get arrested less, that simple. If you want a community movement to reduce arrests against black people, root out your criminals so you don't get suspicion in your community.

Less crimes would be committed if more state and federal funding hit these inner city communities. Drug use is linked heavily with hopelessness and depression. Drug dealing is prevalent in these communities because theres no decent job opportunities in their neighborhoods. Robberies go hand in hand with poverty. It might sound nice on paper if these inner city "thugs" would just stop breaking the law but do you REALLY expect people to just sit back and starve while they watch the nice neighborhoods a few blocks away flourish with good schools and better oppritunities? Inner city crime and by extension black crime will not go down overnight, it's a generational change that the governments refused to invest in.

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Just everything that effects caucasians, because we also dislike being brutalised by the police. Being white doesn't mean I should suck it up.

White people arent brutalized or profiled like black people, not even close, not even the same league let alone ballpark

Or, because black people are people, injustices on black communities are injustices on people in general, and thus are highlighted. If you think people care more about white people and less about black people, why would you not want to have your problems associated with white people? Surely in your world, if people said "white people are getting brutalised by the police, change your policies!" then change would occur to help white people and indirectly help black people because they can't write explicitly racist policies.

Yes because the police have been following non-racist policies for years, not like black people are incarcerated 5x more than whites or anything.

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Zeus posted...

It's you who either REALLLLLLLY doesn't get BLM or you're trying to troll.

Ok so what I've gleaned is you want everyone included in the BLM movement and the movement to have a more inclusive name? You really don't see how the black community would be shortchanged AGAIN if that was the case? Kinda like how they're shortchanged in nearly every possible way in the world? Why does EVERYTHING need to include caucasians? Once you include caucasians who have had a MUCH easier time in society you remove the focus of the injustices committed on the black community. And nobody is saying other lives dont matter and black lives matter more, it's just right now BLACK people are trying to stand up and be heard.

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Wow, you either REALLLLLLLY dont get BLM or you're being intentionally dense.

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Zareth posted...

Right now, at this very moment, pretty much EVERYONE needs to worry about police brutality. Tear gas and rubber bullets don't discriminate.

Yeah right now, a month ago that was not the case.

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Imagine a white guy, a white woman, a black man and an asian woman were all getting mugged and somebody saying on facebook "Why are they attacking that white woman and black man?! Somebody should help them! #BLM #Feminism". Isn't it at least a little bit dodgy that they specifically picked out some of the group in the same situation to defend?

The current issue isnt about picking out certain groups to defend, it's about raising awareness to the groups who are outnumbered/cant defend themselves. #BLM isnt about diminishing rights and protections of other people, it's about bringing the black community on the same level as the white community. By and large the white community doesnt have to worry about police harassment and brutality NEARLY as much as a PoC.

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A good example of why "All Lives Matter" is pissing people off

Say you support 2A and a group of people start attacking it. Say that same group actively tries to overturn 2A. You and the rest of the 2A supporters start protesting to protect 2A. Then people start trying to push the narrative of "All Amendments Matter". Do you see how that diminishes your movement to protect 2A?

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Jen0125 posted...

Tear gassing, pepper spraying and shooting protestors with rubber bullets for a photo op in front of a church using a Bible as a prop to threaten military action against protestors.

Bishop of DC church outraged by Trump visit: 'I just can't believe what my eyes have seen'
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/politics/cnntv-bishop-trump-photo-op/index.html

How can anyone keep defending him? It boggles the mind.

When he won the presidency I actually gave him the benefit of the doubt and waited to see if all the divisive bullshit he spewed during his campaign was overblown to get votes and maybe he would actually step up. He has not. He has been an unstoppable moron the ENTIRE TIME. On the bright side hes handing the election to Biden on a silver platter.

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They have to use less than lethal weapons, if they unload live ammo on unarmed citizens they will lose. The odds are NOT in the police/military's favor if they decide to go lethal.

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Like others have said, he feels remorse because he got caught, that's it.

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I dont get how so many people can follow such a weak person.

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Zareth posted...

Pretty sure Lincoln being elected helped cause the South to secede, so you're wrong there.

His presidency isn't over yet, still PLENTY of time for another civil war once a certain side boogaloos or whatever stupid term they have for it is

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Muscles posted...

You act like we haven't had a bunch of presidents that left the country more divided than when they took over, it could be argued the last president that actually gave a shit about America was JFK, and he got assassinated for it

So by that logic we should just accept that presidents will become shittier and shittier and not try and do anything about it? Will the next one just outwardly use racial slurs? You can dredge up past presidents all you want but Trump has been the single most divisive president in US history.

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Smarkil posted...

Yes. Clearly he's the only one at fault. Only the don. No one else does this.

He's the president, he should be held to a higher standard than everyone else. All the praise none of the blame.

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From what I hear, if you're currently working during the pandemic you get nothing, so that's cool

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Treat them as the terrorists they truly are

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