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Quina
Vincent

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No One Lives Forever

:(

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Vincent
Quina

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Rydia
Vincent

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Auron
Quina

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Rydia
Vincent

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Rydia
Auron

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Vincent
Quina

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Rydia
Auron

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bye mustard stadium

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Quina
Vincent

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Auron
Rydia

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Okami

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Rydia
Auron

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Vincent
Quina

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Auron
Rydia

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Rydia
Auron

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John Quincy Adams.

His abolitionism and his experience in foreign affairs pretty much speak for themselves; he's also the son of the best President we've yet had. The argument about his "noble upbringing" doesn't really hold water considering the Adamses were the only Presidential family so far that *weren't* landed elite Virginia planters.

His opponents are also not that great - particularly Jackson who is just awful. Hopefully we never see THAT asshole in the White House. /nervous laugh

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Tag

Sorry I didn't participate this time around, but by the time I remembered it was a thing I needed to do, it was too late. Still looking forward to seeing how it turns out!

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Alph

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Monkey Island

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I was already very strongly considering voting for Pinckney in the last couple of elections despite his "nothingness" as a candidate, as an alternative to the continuation of Virginia Democratic-Republican tomfuckery. But I voted for Madison (which I almost immediately regretted and considered amending), and all of his worst impulses seem to be in the process of being realized. DeWitt Clinton is a New Yorker, which means he doesn't own slaves, and his record as mayor of New York sounds pretty damn positive, so at this point I'm willing to take a chance on a relative unknown rather than staying the current, potentially disastrous course.

Dewitt Clinton

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Only one of these four owned slaves, so I voted for him

My real pick would be either Buchanan or Trump though

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Yeah you've convinced me.

Adams

The positives of his first term greatly outweigh the negatives, and I'll take the Alien and Sedition Acts over outright slavery any day.

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Moe
Willie
Burns
Abe


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So this is rather stupid:

My boyfriend was playing this morning while I was sleeping; I get up, want to build a pole vault as that's available now, but since he was playing first, all of the wood I could chop from the trees on the part of the island that's accessible without a pole vault is depleted. He figured out a way to transfer some of the wood he'd chopped over to me, but is this game really just set up in a way where you're more or less punished for playing on the same system? I like that we can share an island, but I don't like the resources being that scarce.

Also, logistical question: is there any way to separate stacks of stuff in your inventory without just having to do it one-by-one? Last night I kind of wanted to separate my stack of 99 weeds into two clumps so I could sell 50 or so and still have some left over for DIY-ing, but I ended up just selling them all because I didn't want to bother separating them all out one-by-one. Is there a button I'm missing?

Enjoying the game overall, but these are just a couple of minor complaints I have so far. (Well, okay, the first one is a bit more major, but we found a workaround for now. There were a whole bunch of NON-depleted trees on the other parts of the island, but they're inaccessible without a fuckin' pole vault so I don't know what the game wanted from me here >_>)

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Fucking hell. Tired and blind, apparently; I totally missed that Lea had even claimed her hide. Maybe Masons being scum really is the most likely scenario after all. Either that or Sbell's the godfather I didn't think was in the game.

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That said, if I end up being wrong about HB and the game's still going, I do begin to put some serious thought into Lea. She's kind of been all over the place for me this game, which is why she is still occupying some "this person might be scum" space in the back of my thoughts.

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Crescent-Moon posted...

If Lea and HB are both scum, then we have... No scanning whatsoever in the entire game. Just masons and my role.

...Not to mention I even pointed out in my next post that Lea would be the only scan without HB telling the truth. I am TIRED lol. Ignore that I even put Lea in the list; I have kind of been assuming two scum left (HB and Death) and I threw Lea onto the list upon trying to use a quick process of elimination to assume a third. Quite frankly, I don't know that I think there is one.

If there is, though, this is a very good point, and one I refuted myself. If there are three left, then it's almost certainly the Masons.

I think HB is likely scum in either case, though.

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VengefulKaelee posted...

I have definitely seen scum fakeclaiming do this kind of thing so that they can throw out vague suspicions of people they want to mislynch without having to give genuine reasons for it.

(This should read "scum fakeclaiming power" btw)

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Also I'm kind of with Sbell in that I'm not entirely sure there IS a godfather in the first place, considering that yeah, it seems like our only straightforward cop scan is Lea's single use.

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Hbthebattle posted...

I had an extremely good reason for the "inno, I guess" thing, but saying it outright gets me modkilled and I've dropped enough hints you guys should be able to guess the reason.

Hbthebattle posted...

Yeah. But there was a different issue with a scan long before insane cop came up.

Okay, this whole thing feels really, really sleazy to me. Like, I have definitely seen scum fakeclaiming do this kind of thing so that they can throw out vague suspicions of people they want to mislynch without having to give genuine reasons for it. It even happened in a game I hosted way back in the day (I believe it was KOTOR mafia), where basically the entire scumteam narrative to the town was that I was a clueless host who had fucked up the game and therefore that was the reason for any discrepancies in their stories. If you're telling the truth, this makes no sense to me at all and whatever it is is probably not the kind of thing you even want to bring up, but this makes me really, really suspicious that you've been subtly trying to push the idea of my lynch without actually having any justification to do so. I don't like it at all.

Crescent-Moon posted...

And as much as I still don't really want to trust the mason claims, the game gets significantly more solvable if I do. And frankly, I think I'm like, the only one who doesn't trust them, so...

No, I'm on the same page as you here. I have been skeptical of Han in particular since the beginning, not to mention pretty much unable to get a read on IGCD, but Occam's razor at the moment really does lead me to believe that they're telling the truth.

Crescent-Moon posted...

So anyway. It's Han/IGCD/Death or it's Lea/Death/???

It's basically impossible for Death to not be scum, but lynching him today just gets Hb killed and we're right back to square one.

Right now I'm thinking it's Lea/Death/HB. For a setup of 16 it's borderline whether it'd be 4 or 5 scum so I don't know whether we should be expecting 2 or 3 scum left, but seeing as we're mostly assuming 3, those are the three I land on, mostly by by PoE.

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I do have one structural question: how common a role exactly IS Godfather these days? Is it a role that's almost always in the game (this is about where I remember it being), or usually, or has it gotten a bit rarer over time?

I am having serious doubts over HB myself, but if we do assume for a second that he is legit a cop, I'd like to know how worried I should be about his innocent scan of Sbell. Not that Death couldn't be godfather either, as IGCD pointed out, but I basically just want to know how strongly we should assume that there is a GF in this game at all, given that it's a subject that keeps popping up.

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(had to split that into two posts because too many quote blocks lol, but you can see where I was coming from here at least)

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VengefulKaelee posted...

At this point, Corrik.

Corrik7 posted...

Reasoning?

VengefulKaelee posted...

A - your arrogance feels completely unwarranted and at least somewhat phony
B - overzealously fishing for claims and flavor (admittedly I also wanted HB to claim and the way that played out was at least partially his fault, but you've essentially maintained your course and your volume since then, just redirected - i.e. "scare claim or die")
C - your flavor claims (both hard and soft) are all over the map, and you've apparently straightforwardly lied at least once with the Maggie thing
D - basically all of your interactions with Crescent

Point C was the most salient thing here regarding the reasons I was actually suspicious of him (i.e. him soft-claiming my flavor, as referenced above). I didn't want to tip my hand that that was specifically WHY I was suspicious (as I said, probably being a little overzealous in my caution since I'm only a vanilla, but at the same time, I wanted to make absolutely sure I was reading this right) - I hoped that he would fakeclaim and I would counterclaim (which had already happened with him once with Maggie). You have to admit it was odd behavior for town to indulge in, Corrik or no.

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Crescent-Moon posted...

I want to hear something specific from Kaelee though. She mentioned about Corrik hinting Apu and her reacting or something. I want to see her detail that more.

Okay, here's what I was referring to (this is Topic 4, from Day 1):

Corrik7 posted...

I got work to do. Forward any questions to my secretary. I'll surely get back to you at my earliest CONVENIENCE.

VengefulKaelee posted...

...are you saying what I think you're saying here

Corrik7 posted...

Probably not. I am just having fun with a flavor I actually know for once in a mafia game.

Which was a response that appears to have been true (though we have no concrete evidence; I'm still pretty sure he didn't have my exact flavor). And then, almost immediately afterward, there was this exchange:

Corrik7 posted...

Thank you. Come again.

Obellisk posted...

We caught it already, thanks.

Corrik7 posted...

Caught what?

At that point, DYL asked me directly who my next choice would be to lynch after him (specifically, after he flipped town). My suspicions on Corrik had been growing before this point, but my scumdar really got pinged when I thought he was going to fakeclaim my flavor, so my response became this exchange:

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Fuck it, my gut says it's the best play and he has not once done something that makes me feel actually good about him. There've been things that make me doubt that he is scum, but he himself has not been the contributing factor to any of them, and that makes me feel like this is the right move.

##Vote: Mzero

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And yes I'm sure it's not

Crescent-Moon posted...

politically correct town syntax

for me to just want to be able to more or less wash my hands of the eventual decision, but all that clarity I felt had come through this morning with Tange's has gotten all muddied up again. I just keep second-guessing my own reads. It's a crapshoot.

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Okay, now that I'm done running the unexpected errands that I had to run today thanks to coronavirus cancellations.

Doesn't like we have come anywhere nearer to a consensus on what the actual lynch plan is either... a little over an hour away from the lynch deadline, and we've got MZero with two votes and three other people with 1.

I am still leaning towards MZero at this point, but I could also easily see either Lea or Sbell (who are currently voting each other) as scum. In fact, everyone who currently has a vote down is voting for the person who is voting them, with the exception of our probable cop voting for MZero. So current votals are a nulltell, certainly. I can even see the narrative that Tange is scum trying to get MZero mislynched to win the game being the truth.

Hnggg I am not good at these do-or-die potential mylo decisions which is why I was hoping more of a consensus would be reached by now. This is a really really hard one.

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htaeD posted...

Did Tange in fact give his 2 actions yet?

....Right, that's what we were waiting for. Derp

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(And by fruitless, I mean unenlightening, just for clarity's sake)

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Well reading Topic 8 turned out to be more or less fruitless, mostly because Tange's claim basically changes everything.

Assuming HB is telling the truth about his role (which I am still willing to believe he is for now - although his NL vote is... questionable at best), it seems to me the best course of action is for him to scan Crescent so that we can have a confirmable sanity check, and for Lea to hide behind one of the claimed Masons. I don't like "directing" town power but that seems like the best way for us to get the most information without getting too too fancy about it.

Am I good to put my vote on MZero yet?

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Does anybody have the final votals from Day 2, btw? Just for reference.

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Crescent-Moon posted...

I see it more as clueless than fake. This would've been a pretty badly prepared fakeclaim.

Yeah no this is a really good point and the final nail in the "we definitely need to lynch MZero today" coffin.

Only not putting a vote down because conversation is still going and there's more things we can achieve (like, yeah, hoping Tange can get previous actions from Sultan and whatnot)

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Leanansidhe posted...

There's no world where scum fake claims DOCTOR to get mzero lynched. Especially not a slot regarded so positively regarded. Also, doctor + multi use bus driver? Even I will give that a lol

This could easily be wifommed but I do agree in any event.

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Still rereading/catching up on Topic 8, but also keeping tabs and I'll just say this - I can definitely remember at least one time when I replaced in as town power and was given all of my player slot's previous actions. The logic being that, of course, it's supposed to be as seamless a transition as possible when someone replaces in, and that person should know what they were meant to have done previously.

That said, this is definitely not a "standard game" and I'm not willing to use THAT as a reason to damn Tange for his claim. At first blush, it seems to me as if there's some rather immediate conflict between Tange's and MZero's claims, and my gut instinct is that one of the two is likely scum. If I continue to go by what my gut tells me (and is continuing to tell me), that brings me yet again back to thinking the MZero lynch might be our best option.

But, of course, I am still catching back up in the last topic. Not putting a vote down just yet, but assuming Tange is telling the truth, plus the fact that Suprak seemed pretty towny all the while he was in the game, Tange's claim feels like it's going to lend a sense of clarity that was sorely lacking in this game day for me thus far.

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Okay, I'm awake and feeling a hell of a lot more clear-headed than I was yesterday. Let me catch up on this topic and then I can gather my thoughts properly.

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VengefulKaelee posted...

quite the role

quite the roll*, egad, my brain is just everywhere and nowhere today

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Obellisk posted...

Which is why I think Corrik was claiming it, to fake a vig and eat a bullet himself at night.

He certainly was on quite the role of faking flavor, considering he immediately started breadcrumbing my own flavor after you countered him on Maggie.

Why he did that, I still have no idea.

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Crescent-Moon posted...

And the three people to go most quiet after my claim were Han, SBell, and Kaelee.

If you don't count Tange and MZero, who have barely been here all day. How dare I go do other things when I find myself not having the spoons to process all of this all at once.

I was there WHEN you claimed, remember? (You also mentioned me having gone quiet once and then immediately took it back, but are now saying it again) I'm sorry I haven't been around constantly all day, like I said, I've been depressed by unrelated, badly-timed things, and this game is just continuing to frazzle me. I have a huge headache and am unsure who to trust here outside of you. The neighbors were apparently lying, unless they weren't, unless they have been all along, and I really don't know how to untangle that mess at this point. We're now also apparently doubting the sanity of the cop - either he's a sane cop or he's lying about his role.

You have said a whole lot today, some of which is directly contradictory. Mind laying out in one post exactly what you think it is we should do today? It's pretty lame, but at this point I'm just looking for someone trustworthy to follow, and you're the only one who it's possible for me to see as townish anymore.

I'm sorry if I seem annoyed and if I'm kind of taking it out on you, but I'm asking you to give me just a bit of a break today, if you would. I realize a mafia game isn't really the venue for that, but I need to process some things.

That being the case, I'm going to
##Unvote
for the time being until I can get my own head back on straight. But I'll keep checking in on what's going on in here and see if I can't find some clarity. I'll keep you posted.

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