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kinetika_ posted...

Don't most vegan women end up eating meat when they're pregnant?

they're supposed. Not only for their own health but for the health of the baby.

Krojen posted...

Because you're some throwaway account that's cycling through meme arguments from the alt right youtube rabbit hole of nutrition.

alt right has nothing to do with being anti-vegan and no one has refuted one thing I've said.

pinky0926 posted...

@wittymillennial , do you not see the irony in starting an argument with, "the science isn't conclusive", and ending with "but go look at some vegan forums, people have health problems"?

That's a pretty tenuous source of information at best.

Not to mention implying rearing cows doesn't also include any of the same environmental impacts of growing plants. What do the cows eat?

Or to suggest they're remotely the same quantitively...

it's a place to start looking at any rate. and when the forums are all flooded with the same complaints, you can start to form a scientific argument for something. You can look else where too, like some countries have banned vegan diets for children because vegan children were coming to doctors extremely deficient in key nutrients. So it's not like you can't find the data, I just pointed you in a direction where you can start looking. I'm not doing your homework for you.

Krojen posted...

My vegan diet of beans and frozen bulk is pennies a day and I powerlift.

why do I doubt you power lift on frozen bulk and beans? I call BS

pinky0926 posted...

This is a pretty exclusive case man. He's right. Fish and steak is expensive.

shop sales, load up for a couple of weeks, wait for the next sale. But yes if you buy ribeye when it's not on sale you're going to pay a lot.

I also argue fruits and vegetables are expensive as fuck. Plus you have to cut that stuff up and prepare it, buy seasoning and sauces. Bread also isn't cheap, unless you want whatever passes for wal mart cheapo bread(i'm not convinced it's real bread, at my stomach hates me when I've had it). And some vegan foods aren't exactly cheap. I do want to reemphasize the amount of time vegans spend prepping food is is worth factoring in here. I don't have a hard number on it, but it's a lot more than just throwing some meat on the stove as meat by itself is quite tasty, often needing only just salt, the same is never true for a vegan meal.

Now yes, you can go cheapo vegan, peanut butter and jelly sandwiches are cheap as fuck, but that's not healthy to eat just that.

Meanhile I can throw a steak or liver or something on, with minimal prep, and all it really needs is salt. Of course you could go the cheap meat route and get ground beef, 3 lbs for under 10 bucks can be a staple in 3 meals or more easily.

Just saying, buying meat isn't as expensive as people are claiming.

Artemis86 posted...

My dad is vegan, but he also has extensive knowledge in nutrition, and only brings it up when people ask why he's in such great shape at his age (he's tried to convince me to adopt a bit of it, and I have, but even he admits it ain't a cheap lifestyle in the States). He was vegetarian for a while before that, although he still indulged in the occasional fish dish.

It's a whole lot more complicated to eat vegan and be healthy than simply "remove cow, insert carrot."

Question: Did the vegan guy bring up his diet as a part of the conversational flow, or did he just abruptly talk about how great eating vegan was? The former is insufferable, the latter is not. And it's where a lot of the hostility comes from in these convos. Itd be like me bringing up my political cynicism in a conversation about flying kites. No matter how good my argument may be, no one asked for it and it won't be welcomed.

Of course you choose to ignore everything I said and reduce it to a soundbite that makes no sense.

Said "carrot" was a simple way of explaining the overwhelming complex problem with the vegan diet. It is common to say "Carrots have Vitamin A" and fair enough they do. However you can't just eat the carrot and get vitamin A out of it, you can only get the vitamin A out of if you eat something with fat as well, which means you have to eat a carrot + "food with fat" to get "vitamin A". This is because plants, have natural defenses against predators to make them unappealing to eat because like everything else on this planet, it wants to live and reproduce, arguably the only driving force behind life in general.

On a vegan diet you have to do this with literally everything. That plant that has that vitamin you need? Better make sure you eat something eat something that lets you extract that nutrient you need, or worse, don't eat something that blocks your ability to extract that nutrient.

So yes, it is more complicated than "remove cow, insert carrot." but that just means the diet is nigh impossible to get right because every meal becomes some psychotic math problem. And then on top of that you have to supplement.

what this means is if you eat a random salad, you will feel full, but you may not get anything from it or at least very little from it nutrient wise. The old phrase rice and beans to make a complete protein. Meanwhile I Can eat a ribeye and get most of what I need. Eat a liver and get nearly everything and I don't have to do some crazy math to make sure I haven't starved myself.

And this is all just for a shot in the dark at making the diet work, which fun fact, no one ever seems to do that. With 84% of vegans quitting year 1.

But no instead you went to anecdotal evidence, your dad, claiming he's healthy on a vegan diet, simplified what I said ignoring it and providing no counter point to it at all, and then went on to talk about whatever else, but you did stop and make sure the world knew I had no idea what I am talking about. But it's you who is wrong. As I said, want to see vegan health problems?

Go look at vegan forums, many are suffering from severe health problems. Bloating and gas is a big one. hair loss isn't too uncommon. Many men are low in sperm count and women going without periods(and no it's not because they are on the pill). Vitamin D is another big deficiency you see. low iron and bone density problems often arise. If you want to see what long term vegans look like, a youtube channel vegan deterioration is pretty damn good. There are plenty of other vitamins vegans tend to lack

and of course the famous B12 issue.

BignutzisBack posted...

Vitamin B deficiency has already been stated ITT

and not just vitamin B12, vegans are deficient in a lot of other nutrients as well. Sure they supplement, but supplements aren't always absorbed very well, and supplements themselves aren't always labeled well either.

And this assumes that vegans are even supplementing correctly which is a very bold assumption given that we don't every last single nutrient we need in our diets and dietary health hasn't hit perfection yet.

Furthermore it makes the assumption that we can live a healthy life without meat, which given the history of our species is another bold claim with 0 basis in historical fact.

Go look at vegan forums, many are suffering from severe health problems. Bloating and gas is a big one. hair loss isn't too uncommon. Many men are low in sperm count and women going without periods(and no it's not because they are on the pill). Vitamin D is another big deficiency you see. low iron and bone density problems often arise. If you want to see what long term vegans look like, a youtube channel vegan deterioration is pretty damn good. There are plenty of other vitamins vegans tend to lack

However there is a big problem that gets overlooked, you will feel better for a little while at the beginning of a vegan diet, because that can be a GREAT detox, but the problem is this detox gets misunderstood to mean vegan diet is great longterm, when no, it's just your body cleaning out junk. At some point you need to put meat back into the system.

A great example of why the vegan diet fails is this common food. Carrots. In order to get the vitamin A out of carrots you need to eat a fat with it. In essence eating and getting the proper nutrients because this game of science mix and match to make sure you can get everything out of it. When in reality the food just isn't very bio-available when compared to eating a nice ribeye. Food just isn't meant to overly calculated like that and so it's really really hard to constantly do that.

this isn't to say we can't eat any plants at all, though compared to how many plants exist on this planet, we can eat a very very small percentage of them and if you were hypothetically tossed into the wild and had to gamble on eating a random dead animal or random plant, the animal would be the safer bet 10/10 times, but it is to say that we are more of a meat eating species than anything else. Our big brains attest to that fact. and it's worth noting that all human babies are born pure carnivores.

Fam_Fam posted...

and this one doesn't kill animals/is better for the environment. sounds fine to me.

this isn't true though. Farm lands to grow all those plants in the large quantities needed kill tons of little animals, like insects, rodents, etc. Comparing to say raising cows and killing only cows. Vegans act like their way of life does no damage to the environment which is outright false.

R1masher posted...

Weve all gone over to MySpace

Wouldn't surprise me

Error1355 posted...

The site's putting out them dank memes on tiktok now

leading the way I assume?

They have a facebook page???

More proof vegan diets don't work.

ThyCorndog posted...

A 5 month old baby was supposed to be fed meat? I thought babies needed milk

milk is meat. Meat being loosely defined as an animal product. Babies are as such natural born carnivores.

Evening_Dragon posted...

idk I'd eat string if the alternative was being your cat

holy shit, that's a burn

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