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R. Kelly - I believe I can fly

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Yes

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Mastodon - Colony of Birchman

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MetalmindStats posted...

A Flock of Seagulls - I Ran (So Far Away)

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Paratroopa1 posted...

Smash Mouth - Walkin' on the Sun

Tegan and Sara - Walking with a Ghost

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Cheese whiz faces winner

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Earth Wind and Fire - Let's Groove

Earth Wind and Fire - September

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Where's nacho

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Rango posted...

Smashmouth - Allstar

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Nah

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Sam Cooke - Chain Gang

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The moon is the brightest star in the solar system

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Nirvana - Tourette's

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mcflubbin posted...

Blondie - Heart of Glass

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StartTheMachine posted...

I just realized

I wonder if Aquatic Ambience qualifies

If it does, I change my second vote to this

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Vanilla Ice - Ice Ice Baby

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Beach Boys - Surfing U.S.A.

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RyoCaliente posted...

Pixies - Wave of Mutilation

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Prodigy - Breathe

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Sharp White Cheddar

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azuarc posted...

Meat Puppets / Nirvana - Lake of Fire

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Snake5555555555 posted...

Dragonforce - Through the Fire and Flames

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StartTheMachine posted...

Also the Ian Watkins court transcript is probably the most viscerally gut-wrenching thing I've ever read.

Why would you read this

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He's fine but no

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I can't believe I successfully solved intolerance and overnight I've been nothing but attacked. This must be how King felt.

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PerfectChaosZ posted...

MarkS222222222222222 posted...

Except for my insistence that we should not use "they". That parts good.

So no hate and nothing about refusing to use it

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PerfectChaosZ posted...

and how he hates they/them pronouns and won't use them.

Where's this?

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Nanis23 posted...

Don't you already have xe and ze?

No, quit it. They is better than xe or ze. You're going to make it worse. See my new path forward on page 2

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Grimlyn posted...

like your defense is that you were given a thought experiment to come up with anything (or nothing) you want and you choose sex? why?

Dels seems to get it

CasanovaZelos posted...

Simply put, you don't know someone's sex by sight (even if you think you do)

Yeah, but you don't know someone's gender by sight either, so we're not losing anything there under my plan.

CasanovaZelos posted...

I think that's where it comes from, at least for me (this is an issue where transgender and genderqueer people likely diverge) - I wouldn't need to identify as genderqueer if a human male was allowed to behave and present the way I do. But because society has decided a man can't do these things, I have never been able to think of myself as masculine. I have to insist on my queerness because certain people will otherwise insist I must drop those behaviors to appear more masculine, because gender is treated as a way of life that must be enforced. By announcing myself as genderqueer, I am rejecting this notion when applied to myself because I can't stand appeals to my nonexistent sense of masculinity.

I really appreciate this.

I don't have personal experience clearly, but I've suspected this to be the crux of the issue for many. I've really only had one open conversation about this with someone who identified as another gender, and I probably didn't know them well enough to have it, but I asked something like "does it feel wrong to identify as just [in this case] a masculine woman who is into masculine things?" and their response was something along the lines of "I would love to be just that, but society doesn't let me".

Now, my first thought is to say "well **** em, be you", but I understand I'm saying that from a privileged standpoint (and that many other individuals feel a stronger dysmorphia to which this would not be applicable).

I think gender norms form naturally in society, just like any other kind of social norms. But believing other people need to be held to those norms for the sake of the norms alone is garbage society.

Except for my insistence that we should not use "they". That parts good.

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Dels posted...

I think that world would only be possible if we completely abolished gender norms, so that people wouldn't feel the pronoun "he" or "she" was making any sort of judgment about who they are, or their gender.

Which would be even more ideal.

See guys? This is why I need to be looped when these kinds of decisions are made

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CasanovaZelos posted...

At least you're outright admitting you just want to misgender people so we can stop this "but what about English" nonsense

No that was part of a judgement free thought experiment requested by Dels.

Is it misgendering people if we use the word to refer to one's perceived sex and not their gender?

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CasanovaZelos posted...

Part of the reason I'm hesitant to mention my pronouns while meeting new people is it feels like playing Russian Roulette but where the bullet is this exact conversation for the nth time. I swear, every time there's a major news story on transgender issues, I encounter this same argument in multiple places and it's just so exhausting.

I apologise if any of this is offensive

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MarkS222222222222222 posted...

Let's say we just use pronouns to refer to ones sex and not their gender

Problem solved. Study what I've done here

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Dels posted...

i mean. it's a thought exercise. i'm genuinely curious if you have any.

Let's say we just use pronouns to refer to ones sex and not their gender

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foolm0r0n posted...

you use singular they all the time as an English speaker. The question is just whether you'll admit it

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Dels posted...

do you have any ideas for a better modern-day solution?

If you can get me an hour with whoever is in charge we'll come up with something

Paratroopa1 posted...

But that doesn't mean you can't be a "they."

That was probably too harsh of a way to put it

MoogleKupo141 posted...

if I say look at the fish over there you dont know how many fish to prepare yourself to see because its both singular and plural

I unironically agree. It should be fishes

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Grimlyn posted...

again it's so incredibly weird that you're insistent on being wrong

I don't even get your first line - the end person understands singular they perfectly fine because shockingly, someone's gender is rarely relevant information in most sentences and that information is always derived by knowing who you're talking about anyways

if someone says "I haven't seen Brett in a while, I wonder what they're up to", literally no sane person thinks "huh??? what group of people are you talking about???"

I don't think I've been very insistent on being wrong. I'm willing to have my mind changed.

You've provided an example where "they" would not create any confusion. I don't know what this does other than show it does not always create confusion.

I'm sure you've also seen how in non-intimate, in-person settings (eg. work, school, etc.) the preference of "they" as a personal pronoun can trip people up and takes some getting used to even in the most accepting environments.

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Paratroopa1 posted...

I understand that you're communicating to me that you're an obstinate pedant who doesn't accept nonbinary people

That's not true at all though

Dels posted...

not anymore!

Yeah, we messed up. Somebody ask me first next time

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Grimlyn posted...

people being unnecessary sticklers for grammar when they don't even know the reality of it is incredibly weird

even if there wasn't already historical usage of singular they it wouldn't even matter because language evolves if society deems it, hence "you"

Right, what matters is that the end person understands what you're communicating. This is not being a stickler for grammar.

"They" singular is used when you can't be any more specific

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Yeah I guess, but that's like "somebody forgot their hat" where you don't know who you're talking about

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DeepsPraw posted...

Nope. I think they tried to sue because Ellie looked so much like them

Nah, you can't be a they. That's plural


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Tim Heidecker - Cain Skiffle


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@XIII_rocks undo it

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MysticBrohan posted...

take job 2 they can find someone else to take showers for $9

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Snake5555555555 posted...

Metallica - Master of Puppets

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StifledSilence posted...

Queens of the Stone Age - Feel Good Hit of the Summer

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Johnbobb posted...

Green Day - Longview

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Yeah

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Volbeat - Pool Of Booze, Booze, Booze

Weezer - Say it ain't so

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What happened this time?

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Cant believe Im the only nom for Peaches

Scroll up you drunk

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