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Earlier in the year, I finished a franchise-wide watch of every Star Trek show and movie, and I took note of all my favorite episodes. I'm also in the middle of a Star Wars run of everything and did the same with the Clone Wars cartoon. Now I'd like to compile a master list with episodes ranked in order, and to do that I'm going to watch 2 random Trek episodes (or 1 movie) Mon-Thur, then 3-4 episodes of a random CW arc on Friday for roughly 8 weeks. Every episode/multi-episode/arc has been assigned a random number, and I'll point out which episodes have been randomly chosen next, in case anyone wants to follow along. There will be a couple wild cards, like the Futurama ST tribute episode, and spoilers for both franchises will happen, so watch yourself.

Tonight: DS9 5-13 For the Uniform and TAS 2-5 Sharper Than a Serpent's Tooth and TAS 1-12 The Time Trap (because TAS episodes are shorter, they're grouped in 2s)


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Uhh, sure.

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Foppe posted...

They used Trump to give Hillary a bigger victory.
But they forgot to carry the stupid when they were adding numbers.

And "They" would be......?

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Super Ted
Bananaman

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Dino Crisis
Vectorman (or, alternatively, any Sega franchise)

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I honestly forgot that "I'll be dating her in 10 years" line. The motherfucker still manages to surprise me.

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Alderaan
Raxus Prime
Tatooine
Dantooine
Naboo
Coruscant
Zonoma Sekot
Endor
Iridonia
Felucia
Kashyykk
Manaan
Korriban
Moriban
Byss
Ossus
Hapes
Dathomir
Serenno
Mandalore
Hoth
Mon Cala
Kamino
Dagobah
Mustafar
Iego
Rishi
Kessel


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Gosh, there's so much to learn.

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NinjaWarrior455 posted...

Lettuce be real, the American democratic process is a sham but there's still plenty of Dems telling themselves that Trump and the GOP can be resolved solely by electoral politics and compromise.

All jokes a salad, I tend to agree. A lot of folks are relying on a system that's already been broken.

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TheDarkCircle posted...

fuck gamefaqs

Basic truth.

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I wonder if Warner Bros is happy with her pissing their franchise away?

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If Celery Man says it, I'm doing it.

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Yeah, silence.

Here, ignore all this shit about the failed businessman. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_projects_of_Donald_Trump_in_Russia

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Domestic banks stopped loaning to Trump cuz he was so shitty, litigious and underhanded at business.

Who gave him loans after that? Does it matter to you at all?

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Thoughts and prayers for TERFs.

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Rogue One sucked.

I liked Solo way more than I expected.

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pixelsentry posted...

Look it's very simple. Trump and the Republicans are so bad these days, they need to literally create and believe in insane conspiracy theories like this to stay somewhat relevant. It's much easier for them to just believe this conspiracy theory and ignore reality than it is to admit that they support these insane lunatics who are leading humanity off a cliff.

There's nothing equivalent to Q on the left, jackass.

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Hexenherz posted...

Especially when all the claims and predictions that were made turned out to be complete BS.

Newsflash: Debunking has never stopped a conspiracy theorist from believing what they want, especially when they have a right wing media machine feeding them new nuggets of shit to keep old theories alive. They still think Clinton killed Seth Rich and screwed kids beneath a pizza parlor.

At the end of the day, the theory doesn't matter more than how much they dislike the people in the theory, and at that point they'll CONTINUE to believe ANY dumb shit.

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Not gonna happen, kids.

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My favorite horror movie.

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Leonard pt. 6 and Ghost Dad

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Bio1590 posted...

The President calling for someone to be put to death.

"I don't want to create a panic."

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BB mofo posted...

Back in the 80s, the sick fuck dressed up as a woman and spied on the young women in his apartment. The whole thing is on tape and Billy Joel participated.

Just imagine when this footage gets out! The internet is gonna explode!

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Let's be fair... until the expanded universe nobody would have ever argued that Luke was an upgrade to the Jedi. Yes he had a more balanced look at the role of the Jedi potentially, but nobody would have ever argued he was an upgrade from Yoda.

That's just not true. It's not an overt message, like a lot of things in Star Wars, but it's there regardless of the EU. It's already in the internal logic of the original trilogy. Ha, I shouldn't have even mentioned the EU cuz now it'll be a whipping post.

I disagree with your take, but it's cool. Glad you enjoyed the movie.

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Corrupt_Power posted...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Luke was never presented that way. If anyone ever was, it was Anakin, and he went through a pretty complete tragic fall and redemption arc as well.

Nah. The fact that Luke overcame the knowledge of his dad being the enemy and deciding to love him anyway is a contrast with the old order Jedi. That's not what they were doing in the prequels. Luke and Anakin defied the Jedi for mostly practical reasons, and Luke choosing love and being the last man standing in the end proves he was "right." The original EU moved forward on that premise and I'm pretty sure that's what Lucas was saying.

Edit - Just thinking back to Obi-Wan and Yoda keeping the truth from Luke, they wanted the boy to eventually fight Vader from a place of dispassion. They wanted to mold him into a warrior who would strike without thinking all that hard, as if he were just coming across Darth Maul. You don't talk to him, you just kill him. They were ashamed of Vader's fall and they were trying to protect Luke from possibly turning to the dark side over understanding his father. It was the Dagobah swamp that showed Luke a version of the truth, and it was Luke himself who chose to acknowledge the "good" in Vader that Yoda and Obi had given up on.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Anyone who thinks, "But Luke wouldn't have ever done that!" in regards to TLJ never really paid attention to the actions of the Jedi in general whenever they failed.

That's the contention, though. Luke was supposed to be better than the guys who preceded him. He was supposed to be a new Jedi (more akin to Qui-Gon) leading a new generation of Jedi that got rid of silly shit like no attachments and age restrictions. Luke becoming a hermit like Yoda and Obi shows that he isn't the upgrade on the Jedi that was presented in ROTJ.

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g0ldie posted...

I misread that, and I thought you were talking about the All State guy

That does raise a good question, though. We don't know much about this Dennis Haysbert person. Does he like pizza? Has he donated to the Clintons? Has he seen Cuties?

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Zikten posted...

I will never understand how fucking wanting to save the god damned planet got politicized

Stop wondering. Big business interests within the right wing push social issues on the Hannity and Limbaugh jerkoffs to move agendas in their favor. That means less environmental regulations and more stupid shit like Trump.

We know what the source of the poison is. Stop giving them the benefit of the doubt by not recognizing who has deliberately fucked up this country.

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I'll give it a shot just to see all these actors again.

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garan posted...

I enjoyed Diamonds Are Forever, but I mostly agree.

Same here, and I've rewatched it more than Thunderball.

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These gotcha books don't really interest me.

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You are a man now, my son.

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Reminder that if God were real, he'd be a massive fucking asshole.

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An_Actual_Chad posted...

She was the only one that Bond actually married.

I like how him saving her from suicide by drowning at the beginning of OHMSS is like an unintentional callback to Vesper's death in Casino Royale.

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Nacen posted...

He's mentally ill

Batman is fucking insane.

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I kinda want one of those shirts now.

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lordofmud posted...

My mom died 2 years ago.

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It was so bad, it made me question my love for the other two.

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Mrs. Contessa "Tracy" Teresa Vincenzo-Bond and Emma Peel

Rest in peace

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Quoting Huckabee. I almost feel sorry for the son of a bitch.

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J03can is right. This thread is a FAILURE.

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She's still an idiot.

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toyota posted...

honestly. i never understood the hate for the prequels. but then again i was like 12 when they came out and found them fun none the less.

i guess its a boomer/gen-x meme. im guessing its like how children today watching the sequels wouldnt think much of it and will enjoy it regardless.

that said. why yall trying to think too deeply into what is essentially a childrens franchise lmao

Sure, Lucas understands that children are his audience. Like Willow, and Howard the Duck, and Indiana Jones. He's trying to slip in messages, and he's only half successful. Whenever it comes to western religion and philosophy, he gets resistance. The Tuskeegee airmen movie? No recognition. When he challenges the social structure, he gets prequel freakouts. When he makes basic appeals to religion, he makes the OT a classic for all time.

Introspection is the hardest thing for human beings. Artists like Lucas ask us to do it, and we fail every time.

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LikeImmolation posted...

I'm laughing so hard seeing posters come in here and try to get all deep about the Prequels. "Oh, you just have to realize George Lucas wanted to take the Original Trilogy and flip it upside down. It's post-modern"

No, it's crap with Jar Jar Binx lmao

Same. Old. Shit. Ignore everything that was said, cling to dumb shit. Try to be serious? Or act like this is Hillary versus Trump lmao

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Darmik posted...

Are you sure you're not talking about The Last Jedi

Nah. The Last Jedi attempted to present a point that Lucas had already made in the prequels. Johnson spelled out what was subtext for the prequels. He made it basic while Lucas was trying to present it artfully. Johnson, Disney, and the general audience had underestimated the point that Lucas already made with the prequels. He didn't point explicit fingers like Johnson did; he wanted us to connect the dots for ourselves. Johnson took an elusive point and made it explicit. Lucas tried to be submersive and failed, Jonhson piggybacks on it and gets credit from fairweather fans.

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I know this is probably a dead thread, but I'd like to point out that the prequel trilogy is clearly a post-modern sequel to the original. It examines and criticizes the elements of the base product. That's difficult for general audiences, who expect more of the same akin to the original. Lucas took the opportunity to flip the original product on its head, show that there are holes in democracy and religion, and present a challenge to the old school fans of Star Wars. They bristled at a layered product at the same way they embrace Dwayne Johnson movies. Lucas asked the audience to evolve, and they declined.

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Yoda still sucked and was an idiot.

I love Star Wars, so I've been thinking about it.

In the original trilogy, Palpatine underestimated Vader's attachment to Luke.

In the prequel trilogy, Yoda underestimated Anakin's attachment to Padme.

That might be on a level that you can't process, but try.

IShall_Run_Amok posted...

It's still a contradiction for the Jedi to be portrayed and recalled as the enlightened monk defenders of peace in the galaxy in one film, only to be revealed to have been decidedly not that in the prequels

How the hell were the Jedi knights indebted to the Republic, to a degree that is DESTRUCTIVE TO THEMSELVES, not a direct riff off of "enlightened monk defenders of peace in the galaxy"? I don't see the contradiction. The monk defenders fucked up. The Crusade knights were blind to certain shit. That's the story.

As for the Vader stuff, Obi-Wan is a liar. He tells half-truths. Period. It's not either/or, saint or sinner. Palpatine told Anakin half-truths as well, and he's a fuckface. There are parallels at work here, and they seem to be beyond you. Try to think back to the PT movies that you wrote off along with Youtube. In AOTC, the Jedi denied that Count Dooku could possibly be in league with the Sith. Their loyalty to the man blinded them to the basic truth. The Jedi are religious zealots that cannot imagine their students and "brothers" could ever join the other side. The truth is damn-near unthinkable, like a Christian joining the Taliban. Again, Obi-Wan is protecting Anakin's reputation, just like the Jedi were eager to protect Dooku in the beginning of AOTC.

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

I'd say the major ones are Anakin and Obi Wan's non-friendship, the Jedi Knights being portrayed as a bunch of lame, dysfunctional aristocratic cops, and Yoda being a dumbass. I can't imagine that anybody who watched the original trilogy as kids wanted to see those things, either.

Sure. Anakin spent about a minute with Obi in TPM, then during his awkward teenage years when he's at odds with all of the Jedi, he clashes with Obi in AOTC. Obi-Wan is an adult, and recognizes that Anakin is an adolescent, so it doesn't contradict with.... Anakin and Obi being friends in ROTS. A lot of criticism seems to be about Obi and Ani being friends in Episode 3 when they were at odds in the previous film. Those people don't understand what's happening in these movies, and those people don't recognize that Obi-Wan is trying to protect Luke from the truth about Anakin as well as give the guy more credit than he may have deserved.

Buddy, the Jedi were stale white guys and a muppet in the OT. Your expectations of what you thought they were in their heyday is not the fault of the story. Most fans expected the Jedi to be perfect superheroes in the prequels when that isn't at all the story being told. The Jedi being failures is an inverse of the Empire in the OT; the dominating power structure is always flawed in Star Wars.

"Yoda being a dumbass" is too vacuous to even tackle. I know you won't take any of this shit to heart, but there is more than one (Red Letter Media) way to read Star Wars.

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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

They at least needed some sort of main story beats from the producers, what in the hell were they thinking that they could literally just wing it for 3 movies?

I don't know, but that was a huge red flag for me in the beginning, regardless of how I felt about Abrams or Disney. It just wasn't a good plan to begin with and most folks just assumed there would be a through line.

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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/how-billionaire-island-satirizes-capitalisms-endgame-1281458

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