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The Speed +2 from mastering Myrmidon is probably better than Weight-3 because it works even if your strength offsets the weight of the weapon. It will still give you a boon, whereas weight-3 won't do anything if you aren't weighted down by weapons and equipment, and it only requires mastering a minor class you possibly aren't even going out of your way to get, as opposed to dedicating class or combat exp to a pretty bad higher tier of classes.

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Oh that sounds fun, allow me to join you.



Toko's weird to balance cause she's kind of meh or bad in DR1, but she's basically S tier in UDG.

Also I didn't think of Mukuro cause she wasn't in disguise mode in the icon list, but she'd probably be A tier.

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Kinda confused about the number of free time events each character has in DR1. I'd have assumed it was based on how long they're alive or available for free time progression, but in this playthrough I'm currently doing I wanna get the character I don't like out of the way so only happy times await in the future. In the first chapter I wanted to do Leon. But despite Sayaka having more free time slots available (the first of the 3 slots in chapter 1 can only be done with them), they only have 2 free time events total, and after spending my two other ones of chapter 1 on them, Leon still isn't maxed out and has at least 3 (don't tell me how many the characters have, it's kind of interesting to me to experience on my own). Curious choice. So you actually can't max Leon out in a single playthrough of the main game, but you can Sayaka and have leftover to spare in chapter 1. In chapter 2 I worked on Celeste, and despite being in the game for 2 less chapters (well 3, but there's no free time in chapter 6), they have the same amount of events as Asahina, who survives. Very bizarre.

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A lot of characters in Blue Lions have... wrong viewpoints on life. But their development does a great job laying out why they came to have those wrong views and it makes for, probably the strongest characters in all the Houses.

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Dedue's character is basically tied into the backstory of everyone in the Blue Lions House (well, most of them) and it will greatly expand over time. He's one of the best characters in the game. You will not speak ill of Supreme Chef Deddie-pie.

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At the part with the motive videos in DR1 and I find it hilarious now that I know that Toko is reacting so violently to a stink beetle.

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Don't forget that some maps are mock battles and losing units there aren't permanent.

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I've always felt Felix is better as a brawler than a swordser. His crest synergizes extremely well with the natural double hit of brawling. Though I've also known people who class him as the dancer solely for the sword Avo+20 skill Dancers get and forego using a dancer all together.

Note: Not an expert opinion

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Compsognathus posted...

watch him Kill every last one of them

He'll see them in the eternal flames.

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Never played Maddening, but a lot of discussion I've seen on the board suggests that Sniper is superior to Bow Knight on maddening due to Hunter's Volley and Bow Knight's poor speed modifiers.

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Wish I had more to say about the franchise, but the release of Monster Hunter Rise has put my replay plans on ice for a while. Only made it to the free time period of DR1 chapter 1.

But again, I'd like to thank everyone for their interest, while I still can.

I will say, after thinking about the games for a while after finishing them, I think my ranking of them would be V3 > 2 > 1. Back after just finishing I had 1 in a heavy lead, and I do think it has the best atmosphere and 2 has the absolute worst, but overall 2 and V3 just have much better character interaction with the situation at hand. The stories are more interesting, the trial gameplay has more depth. I think 1 sort of resonates with me more, and most of my favourite characters are from that one, but overall they did a very good job improving on the fundamentals in future installments.

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DepreceV2 posted...

Claude is the only sane Lord in this game.

Hey, Judith exists.

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All the church staff members either join automatically, or can join from certain chapters if asked when Byleth's level is sufficient, which I think is always lvl 15, except for Cyril whose requirement is level 10.

Also some characters can't join on certain routes.

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I wouldn't say it's the equivalence of "it's just a dream", because that's, as I understand it, intended as an asspull.

Literally when you start DR2 it basically tells you you're in a Matrix environment and it has hints at it throughout the game, but largely hopes that you forget as the game takes its course.

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Depends what you want out of the talent development plan. Like, it's not a fun board game for its own sake. But it has uses for creating characters to take into the dungeon later and it has some pretty cool character interactions.

What about the second game's ending ruined it for you?

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The Blood of the Eagle and Lion is really stupid no matter how you look at it. I have some comments regarding it, but it contains miniscule spoilers regarding the Blue Lion route, so if you don't wanna know anything at all, don't read.

You play The Blood of the Eagle and Lion on both the golden deer and blue lion routes. Marginally it makes more sense in the golden deer route, after you have played blue lions, why Dimitri would act like he does. Marginally. In the blue lions route there is literally no logic as to why the golden deer house takes on the antagonistic role that blue lions have in the golden deer route. The game's pretend reasoning in both cases is that Edelgard is using her shamans to create so much chaos and confusion on the map that they cant tell friend from foe, but that makes no sense when characters exchange dialogue before engaging in battle, and if that was the intended logic, there is no indication of it on the battlefield. I don't like fog of war gameplay, but at least it would make sense in the narrative to have some presence of that at play, but they don't, and there's no visual indicator of such a situation. It's by far the low point of any route the chapter appears in.

They kind of didn't know how to make the 3-way POV thing work. The narrative would probably have suffered less if it had been Fire Emblem: Two Houses.

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Compsognathus posted...

It's one of the Maddening HBD is one hardest maps in the franchise. It isn't a good difficulty, but it is difficult.

Maddening HBD?

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It's considered the hardest chapter on Maddening, I'm pretty sure.

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The White Clouds section does Leonie a giant disservice by locking her Byleth B support until right after chapter 9, even though the actual contents of it has no reference to chapter 9, and Leonie seems like a fucking turdmeister because of the comments she makes, right after the events of chapter 9. It's honestly baffling as a choice.

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A couple of classes have a combat art that can only be used in that class as their mastery ability. Off the top of my head, Grappler, Warmaster, Swordmaster, Assassin and Sniper. Though Grappler, Warmaster and Assasin also get abilities in addition to their class-specific combat art.

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You don't get anything from Sniper you can carry with you to other classes.

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Thoughts?

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I don't think they should build on Three Houses' class system. I think they should burn it to the ground. Which is not to say I dislike it, I don't. It's really good. For this game. For one game in the franchise. It shouldn't be the norm. In general my feeling towards many of Three Houses' systems is that they work well as a one-off thing apart from the franchise's standards. Sorta like a Gaiden game really. The monastary can be obnoxious, but contained to this one entry I've never minded it. If that sort of between chapters busy-work is going to be standard moving forward, I will absolutely detest it.

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Mberer posted...

What?

When Keebo was in the hydraulic press

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If you're in a riding/flying/armoured class you get exp for those, um, skills? when you do actions in combat that gain exp.

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You'd still want to fish on NG+ because the money obtained can be used to gain a fuckbucket of reputation for future NG+ cycles, or just the one you're currently in.

But yes, it's incredibly fucking boring and every playthrough I do grinds to a halt when the special fishing day arrives. Though I use Fistful of Fish days rather than golden fish days.

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Dedue and Ferdinand are also best bois.

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ArmieBuff posted...

Did you get the U-rank cards for them all?

Yeah. Supposedly the Masterful Development trophy isn't associated with ranks of characters. And it seems that's right cause I got it tonight. I had run all 53 characters and after it didn't pop I ran Shuichi again to see if that would work, but it didn't. But just now I decided to try once more and I ran Gonta through on his U rank, since I have a couple of characters that I've only run on their N or S rank card. And I got it after running Gonta. It must have been a trophy glitch, and a really annoying one. Probably reset after I closed the game down since running Shuichi was in the same session. Glad it finally popped, because I was not gonna do that again just for trophies. I like trophies, but I have my limits. But yeah, that's the third glitch I've had associated with trophies in DRV3. I dunno if I'm the only one experiencing issues, but I definitely am.

Bass_X0 posted...

Just completed the third class trial of v3.

U liking the game?

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I really would like a difficulty between Hard and Maddening where it becomes important to use the game's mechanic, but it isn't over the top hard with every enemy having pass or weapon breakers.

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Most of Flayn's supports are comedic and hilarious.
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I completed the Ultimate Talent Development Plan with all 53 characters, but didn't get the trophy ._.
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spikethedevil posted...

STFU you annoying edge lord douche bag. So glad Felix has gotten fed up with him and is now getting pissed off as well.

See you in the eternal flames!
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Lol, Kazuichi doesn't have any friend square events with Sonia in the Talent Development Plan.

Fucking rejected.
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Well Byleth is overpowered and you're playing on normal. Byleth would probably be fine just in their starting class in that mode. And probably hard mode too. Anything works there.

Mortal Savant offers nothing for units approaching it from a sword user standpoint other than an extra movement (depending on other sword class) and the ability to use healing magic, which Byleth already has in Enlightened One, and everyone else in Trickster, though at the cost of Swordfaire. For magic damage, it's much better for a sword unit to just rely on the Levin Sword which when upgraded has 1-3 range. Mortal Savant hugely reduces their speed stat and growth, which tends to be the strong point of units you would train in sword usage. For magic users the speed penalty is not so severe since they already tend to be low on that stat, but there is almost never anything to be gained from gaining swordfaire. Only one I can think of right now that could possibly see potential in it is Manuela, but she has a reason bane and a terrible dark magic spelllist and is much more suited for either trickster, a healing and support focused role, or a sword role that foregoes magic entirely. While Tomefaire is nice for magic users, the class offers no other benefits they'd prefer. Gremory has double spell casts and a high magic modifier that nearly makes up for the loss of tomefaire. Warlock has both double dark casts and tomefaire, though less movement than Gremory even. However, that is easier to make up than mortal savant's lack of utility. And of course, mounted magic units like dark knight, valkyrie and dark flier outperforms mortal savant in various ways related to movement, utility, damage or range.

Like, I'm not saying you can't do anything if you use mortal savant, except you can't see cause the ugliness of male mortal savant has blinded you. Comparatively to other classes in the game, by the game's own mechanics that heavily makes dual physical and magical attacking a fairly pointless endeavor, Mortal Savant is one of the worst things.
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Mortal Savant is a joke class. Probably the third worst endgame (advanced+master+special) class in the game after Fortress Knight and Holy Knight.
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Also female Byleth gets access to early game Darting Blow through pegasus knight, which means they have a much better early/mid game than male Byleth, whose unique strengths don't appear until getting access to Grappler and Warmaster in the late game.

Though even then, I generally don't think warmaster Byleth is considered particularly good and that generally the consensus is that you'd want to make them a wyvern lord. Which you have an easier time with if you had them be a pegasus knight earlier.
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Agreed. Shinguji was one of my favourite characters just because their conversations were so information-intensive rather than mostly being about themselves like most coversation with the characters in the games. It was really neat.

Then they ruined it with that bullshit.

I too think the DR2 case 3 was much better.
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Case 4 is... I dunno. It feels emotionally right, but something about the process is just off. I like it, but it does make me scratch me head a bit. It has the tragedy angle like case 4 in DR1, but it feels much less complete in its thought pattern.

Case 5 is really good.

And yeah, Case 3 is just... the worst. Literally.
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You hadn't played V3 before, right Azardea?

How are you finding it?
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Completed the Monokuma dungeon and the Magical Girl Monomi minigames. So all that's left now is the School Mode/Island Mode/Salmon Team games, but I will save those for the very last, as well as getting all 53 students through the Ultimate Talent Development plan. Other than that, my remaining trophies and FTEs I'll get through replaying the games a couple of times, which is fun. I'll probably do the Talent Development Plan sporadically, like take 3 characters through every time I start playing before I do other things. I could just do it as quick as possible (assuming you don't need to pass their exams, just get through year three and graduate), but I think I will at least do year 1 for each student on the friendship course and spam the friendship tiles to see all their events. I find them quite endearing.

I'll probably start with Ultra Despair Girls just to get it out of the way. I like it a lot, but I'd like to replay the main games in continuation. I've been listening to the English dub of V3 in a let's play and I don't think I'm gonna play that. Kaito sounds like he's 40 and Shuichi is almost emotionless in his dialogue delivery with no hint of the insecurity of his character. Also, I know it's the same voice actress and that V3 came first, but I just can't listen to Tsumugi without just hearing Mercedes from Three Houses. It's ridiculous. Other than that it isn't too bad, and some of the voices are really good, especially Iruma. I just don't feel an appeal to it over the Japanese. So DR2 is the only one I intend to play in English, because I have to experience Gundham, mostly. It's hilarious. The others I feel no need to associate with that dub.
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Question about V3: Does Kaede have a full 5 conversations with everyone like Shuichi, or is it capped at like 2 or 3?
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Beat level 50 of the dungeon and now there's 50 more. Oh joy. >_>

For realsies, though, I don't actually hate it. It's a fun thing, I just wish it was unlocked before I finished the main game rather than having it after that rather than interspersed.
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Flying units can't equip non-flying battalions.
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Spidey5 posted...

Theres also that story in Despair Girls about him where he acts like a complete douche to that girl with shit taste.

...Not really? The girl was chasing after him for like 9 years and he kept saying no until finally he said, you do this near impossible thing and I'll pork your booty.

I'm not sure how he was the douche in the situation.

Also I still think that the Sayaka murder was pretty reasonable self-defense considering the situation they were in. In the real world, no, it wouldn't be, but in the real world there are police and legal systems to protect you. In the situation Leon was in, there was a literal killing game going on with all the participants trapped in close proximity to each other and no ability to punish Sayaka beyond pretending she isn't in the room or refusing to eat lunch at the same table as her. What they gonna do? Tie her up and and never let her loose for the rest of their lives, someone spoon feeding her at every meal? You can say logically thinking about it, Sayaka probably wouldn't try to kill someone again, and especially not Leon, for fear of obvious discovery, but that's rationalization after the fact. I really don't have any issue with him over it.
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Cyril is underrated. Bow brave art on wyvern lord is amazeballs, even if it's locked to 1 range, cause canto exists.
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I hear Leon's FTEs make him a douche, but I haven't seen any of them and I've found him sympathetic enough, albeit rather abrasive, which was kind of fair given his situation, in both DR1 and Ultra Despair Hagakure.
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I have not done any FTEs outside of the first playthrough in any of the games, aside from Shuichi's Kaede and Amami FTEs in V3, cause... you know.

I think I got one or two with Yasuhiro in that first playthrough. On a second one, I'mma max him out cause I wanna max out the characters I don't like first and be left with the good ones for when I finish playing the games.
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Finished Ultra Despair Hagakure, and... I hate the character even more than I already did. What a fucking achievement.

Is... is he supposed to be funny? Quirky funny? Who thinks this characterization is endearing? Trying to steal from and a teenage girl and press her family for money in a fucking war zone. Even when he knows she's literally in the same position as his beloved mommy.

I... I hate him so much.
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Trying to read the Ultra Despair Hagakure comic on UDG and I'm just... having a hard time giving half of a tiny teeny shit. Who thought the worst character needed a short story?
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Monolith Whatever is absolutely terrible. I spent an hour or two "figuring it out" on the day I completed the game, and then I've spent about 45 min to 1 hour each day since till I got it. And it's so luck based, it could easily have been a lot longer. Still, the more time you spend on it, the easier it does get to understand the patterns. The rest of the minigames are fairly easy. I think I had the trophies for salmon fishing and the slot machines before finishing the game and only needed the car one and the excavation one, and the car came fairly easy. I think I needed 30-45 minutes to full grasp and get a good run of it.

Yeah, I like getting trophies and I plan to get platinum for all the games. I've had two trophy bugs with V3 that makes me weary, though. There's a trophy for completing the prologue I didnt get and one for doing the love hotel for the first time that I didn't get either. So I'm keeping multiple saves in case I get fucked on something that can't be replicated without starting a new save.

V3's talent development and dungeon trophies seems very time consuming, though.
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