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This is exactly the type of shit he's been doing with reporters in his briefings all year.

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The Star Wars license increased prices, which opened up a new world of licensed stuff, which meant larger models as well.

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Whoa, wtf at the temperatures around Texas. We haven't gotten that bad in the NYC area in like 2 years, when all that Jussie Smollet stuff went down.

Our low is gonna be like 29 this whole week and I'm seeing 5 and shit in Houston.

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Schwab used to, but they stopped. I got hit when I opened years ago. It should just be a soft pull now.

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For real though, the DS5 is probably the shittiest quality controller I've ever used. Feels like a cheap knockoff.

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What if the Romulans had a couple of Daleks on board?

Those motherfuckers can take over entire planets alone.

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When Atlanta S3?

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ZMythos posted...

You're completely twisting the reading of the law. And you've changed your argument several times. You started with "AR only applies if you tried to retreat" and now you're at "it didn't happen at his home so it doesn't apply"

You also completely neglected your "Situations like robbery, conspiracy, or kidnapping only count as crimes" argument.

I have not twisted anything. It's you who is straight up reading it wrong and making things up.

I haven't changed my argument. As I said in my other posts to you, AR is about the duty to retreat. It's a protection you get if you satisfy AR 1 or AR 2. AR (b) takes away that protection.

In order for AR to apply, it HAS to meet one of those two conditions. If it's doesn't, that means the removal of those protections does not apply. Those two conditions ONLY deal with your property.

Like, dude, it literally says this in the law. You're taking (b) and applying it to 1. It just doesn't work like that.

And the criminal activity thing is, again, IRRELEVANT. It ONLY applies to the removal of AR as pointed out specifically in the fucking law.

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ZMythos posted...

(b) literally says "The presumption in (ar) does not apply if the actor was engaged in criminal activity"

So 1 and 2 aren't even called into question because (ar) isn't even taken into account. Property has nothing to do with it. Also there's no other place where it specifically addresses self-defense.

You're saying that Kyle was not at home when he shot those people so it was self defense. Nothing here implies that.

Lol, are you serious right now?

Do you not know how to read laws? AR lays out duty to retreat. It lays out AR 1 and 2 and the reason for the AR defense. It lays out b to take all those protections back. If AR is not activated, b is not.

You have to activate (b) to activate (ar) to negate 1. Otherwise 1 stands alone and it clearly says what self-defense is.

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ZMythos posted...

No, it says if retreat isn't an option, then it's assumed that the only option was self defense.

No, this isn't exclusive to private property or dwelling. There's an entirely separate subsection that specifies that.

read it again.

I think you're having trouble understanding how this works. 1 and 2 specifically deal with entering your dwealing and retreat. If you don't meet that, AR doesn't apply. Therefore, b can't be applied to something that doesn't apply.

This is how these laws work. You can also look up several videos with lawyers discussing this.

Again, implying what you are is something nobody wants because it's absolutely moronic.


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ZMythos posted...

This was your reply:

You realize (ar) reads as follows: "the court ... shall presume that the actor reasonably believed that the force was necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself if the actor makes such a claim under sub. (1)" This is the self-defense clause. You either chose to ignore it or did not read it the first time.

In laymen's terms "The court shall presume the person acted in self-defense."

Unless. (b) The presumption described in par. (ar) does not apply if any of the following applies: The actor was engaged in a criminal activity

Which, according to your second point, only applies to certain situations for some unexplained and unbacked reason. Whereas I not only cite the WI definition of a crime. I also cite that the mere act of having an illegal firearm while underaged is a Class A misdemeanor.

So what the fuck am I ignoring here?

AR specifically deals with duty to retreat. It's saying if you killed someone in self defense, they won't take retreat into consideration. It's automatically assumed.

Why? Because that subsection is specifically dealing with the castle doctrine. If you're at home or at your property and someone breaks in and they come at you, you don't have to run before you kill them if you were in fear of your life.

Now if you were committing a criminal activity while this happened, and you shot without retreating, you would be held liable. If you retreated, the criminal activity would not be held against you.

Kyle was outside and did run and then was cornered, so it doesn't even apply even if it was all his property.

Again, to even entertain what you're implying is moronic. People having weed in their pocket would lose their self defense claim if it was really like that.

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ZMythos posted...

And here that citation is again for your convenience.

https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/939/III/48

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Did you ignore the first time I explained why what you're pointing out is incorrect?

Or were just hoping to run it by again hoping people forgot?

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ZMythos posted...

That doesn't fucking change that he had an illegal firearm and doesn't change the fact that self-defense no longer applies.

Why are you doubling down on something I already proved was incorrect using your own link?

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Tmaster148 posted...

I guess everyone should own illegal weapions and kill people they don't like in other states in the name of self defense now.

This is getting embarrassing dude. Just take the L.

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Tmaster148 posted...

So if someone enters property without permission and the owners point a gun at them the person breaking and entering the property is now legally allowed to shoot the property owner's out of self defense.

Being somewhere you don't belong while committing a crime is not valid for self defense. Which is exactly what this fuckwad did.

Tmaster148 posted...

Not with his illegally owned firearm.

Why are you making up laws now? None of that is part of the actual law.

It's like some of you guys want these laws to be extremely fucked up, which is really weird.

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Tmaster148 posted...

At this point it's pretty obvious why you are defending the kid so much.

I'm not going to waste my time with someone who has your beliefs.

Lol, you're just gonna double down?

The law does NOT preclude what you said. Please go back and read it again. Calling me a white supremacist because you're not even reading is not gonna help your case.

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Bishop9800 posted...

This x1000

Tmaster148 posted...

You mean the same law that prohibits self defense claims while engaged in criminal activity such as bring an illegally owned firearm across state lines.

SMH, I literally already explained this. Go back and reread it. None of what you said is correct.

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Tmaster148 posted...

Carrying an illegally owned firearm across state lines isn't a self defense thing. He had no real reason to be there and should have never been there in the first place. You can't justify self defense.

The only people who think this is self defense are white supremacists, because they liked the fact he ended up killing certain people.

My dude, there's literally a link earlier in this topic clearly explaining in what cases it would be and this would be it.

To imply anybody reading the law correctly is a white supremacist is beyond moronic.

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Tmaster148 posted...

So you think it's okay to bring an illegally owned firearm across state lines just because he lives close to the border.

No, it's not ok. However, none of that precludes his self-defense claim. Just being there with the gun does in no way prove intent nor destroy his self defense claim as written in the law posted already. Especially when there's an entire interview of him minutes before the shooting talking about how why he's here and why he needs the gun.

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SPE posted...

this is a bad faith argument and you know it.

the guy literally travelled from a different state to arrive at a place that was already having violence and riots in order to confront said violent rioters and flaunt his weapon at them.

if someone began humping the air right in front of you, calling you names, screaming at your face and blocking your way would you just take it, or would you move the person out of your way? Congrats, according to your logic you would have just attacked the other person and would deserve to be murdered in cold blood.

but, Korok, Kyle wasnt humping the air!. No, he did something worse, he flaunted a fire weapon at a bunch of rioters protesting the fact that they get shot at.

This is not what happened, like at all. Again, he was off on his own and then attacked by Rosenbaum and his crew while putting out a trash can fire.

yusiko posted...

remember when a bunch of white men followed a black jogger in their truck, hit him with their truck, and then shot him and people on the internet claimed it was self defense?
yeah they were full of shit then and they are full of shit now

If Arbery shot those two dudes, he would have the same self-defense claim as Kyle. Both were apparoached and attacked, and both countered back by trying to get out of the situation, which involved violence against the perps.

ZMythos posted...

Gotta love people changing the definition of criminal activity to excuse illegal possession of a firearm with the intent to shoot it.

This is what I'm talking about being disingenuous. That is not how this shit even works. Guns are for both offense and defense. To imply just having a gun means your intent was to shot is asinine.

And no one is changing the definition. You interpreted the law completely incorrectly instead of just understanding it. The criminal activity part is not even really relevant as I explained.

You've also brought up the state lines thing several times. Like, the motherfucker lives on the state line. He can walk to WI. The distance between his place and Kenosha is less than traveling between the 5 boroughs of NYC or different from crossing state lines going from Manhattan to New Jersey.

Tmaster148 posted...

They are basically saying they agree with what he did therefore it can't be criminal.

What a dumb take.

It's scary how facts and stuff are only relevant when convenient nowadays. People just can't stay consistent.

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Damn, wtf. She's straight up changing reality on the fly like the Reality Stone.

Wonder what's up with Pietro. This episode just threw everything all over the place. Pietro knows way too much and he keeps failing her questions.

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Out now.

Let's go

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ZMythos posted...

You're being disingenuous if you didn't read the actual WI state law that I cited that literally says committing a crime nullifies the self-defense clause.

I did, and addressed it.

Reread the law. AR is being excluded. Not 1. All AR says is that they will ignore whether you retreated or not.

Also, as I said, the bar for criminal activity is much higher than any crime. It would be absolutely ridiculous to lose your claim self-defense because you broke one of the millions of laws. It applies to situations like robberies, conspiracies, kidnappings, etc.

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Kyle was minding his own business putting out a garbage can fire and was attacked by Rosenbaum, who had already threatened them earlier in the night.

There wasn't much he could have done and the jury will see this and he will get off. This isn't Naruto where you jump onto the roof and escape. He tried running and was corned. Anybody bringing up the state line stuff or curfew stuff is being disingenuous at this point because it's irrelevant. Self-defense doesn't just go out the window just because you comitted any crime. It's serious level felonies.

The fucked up thing here is that both the left and right see this guy as something that he's not. One thinks he's a murderer and the other, a hero.

Dude was attacked by a crazy dude and got out. End of story.

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He's also one of the guys that tried to hijack the Enterprise in TNG.

And also part of Enterprise B's crew in Generations.

And also a Kilngon in DS9.


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Where and how?

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@MacadamianNut3

Lol, my dude. You're overthinking this. I said I got what you were saying. All I was saying is that it was a fake tease. When I walked out the theater, I wasn't like "shit, can't wait to see more multiverse stuff because this movie opened the doors". It was more like "fuck, I think we just got played lol".


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@KogaSteelfang

Yeah, that's why I mentioned the 7 months gap. I was thinking more along the lines of Mysterio hearing about that from someone or something happening in that 7 months for him to bring it up. And now when you put the timelines together, it's super strange that would come up right when real shit is happening.

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Nah, I get what you're saying. I was saying that was just a "sike! There's really no multiverse" moment. There was a whole plot that revolved around that. A tease would have been an after credits scene showing that maybe he wasn't lying or some real multiverse thing happening.

dave_is_slick posted...

Because unlike your ridiculous Godzilla example, a multiverse exists in Marvel. Any time certain terms are used would be a tease.

Godzilla also existed in Marvel and the only reason he currently doesn't is because of rights.

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MacadamianNut3 posted...

Yeah I know Mysterio made it up in the movie, I'm talking about the general progression of the movies and now TV series for the next phase of the MCU. I said it was a "tease" because he was lying about it, if he was telling the truth that wouldn't be a tease it would be an established thing in the MCU at that point. The fact that it was mentioned at all is what I'm talking about

How was someone lying about something a tease? It had no relation to whatever we're gonna get. What if some character says he saw Godzilla by the old Avengers tower but was just bullshitting. Is that a tease for Godzilla? Lol.

i think the real tease was "Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness" title.

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Lokison posted...

Been a minutes since I saw the movie but I could have sworn it was implied that she was Wanda but because she was still so young (prepubescent) she didnt have powers and no one could have know about it.

Medussa posted...

i think it was the rogue cut that established the second sister. so, i think the original version might have been written for the younger girl to be Wanda, but at some point they remembered that they were supposed to be twins, so they wrote in a fix.

I don't think the little girl was ever supposed to be Wanda. Wanda was not allowed to be mentioned in the Fox movies per the AoU/DoFP deal.

They just expanded it on in the Rogue Cut. When Wolverine, Professor X and Beast enter their home, the little girl goes up to Wolverine and says she's a princess and he's like "I'm the Wolverine" and then asks her where her brother is and she tells him.

Then the mom tells her to go bug her sister upstairs, so she responds by saying her sister is the one that bugs her.

MacadamianNut3 posted...

So Spider Man Far From Home teased the multiverse thing, and WandaVision pretty much confirms it now with X-Men Quicksilver, and then of course Loki coming up which will go all in on that

p cool

I think you missed the ending of Far From Home. Everything Mysterio said about the multiverse was made up bullshit. The JJJ at the end was just the JJJ from the MCU.

Interestingly, Far From Home takes place 8 months after the Blip. This takes place about 3 weeks after. A lot of stuff probably happens in that 7 months including the reason for the Fury swap and Fury on some Skrull ship.

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Shablagoo posted...

So wait why do people keep calling Quicksilver xmen pietro? is that part of the comics wandas brother is an xman?

They both were at some point. They are Magneto's children and mutants in the comics. Not created from the Mind Stone.

Evan Peters plays the same character of Quicksilver in the X-Men movies. You never see Wanda, but she's supposed to be there too.

Disney and Fox struck a deal where they would use the same character with two different actors in their seperate universes. Now Disney owns it all.

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Bye Bye Power Rangers!

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g0ldie posted...

like, her abilities are OP enough to punk Thanos without his gauntlet, and she might even get more powerful.

Yeah, Kevin Feige said that she is currently the most powerful character in the MCU.

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MrMallard posted...

That's where I disagree.

I'll admit that this isn't the best era of modern Doctor Who. I at least appreciate what it's trying to return to, but for every Demons of the Punjab or Nikola Tesla's Night of Terror, there's an Arachnids in the UK or an Orphan 55. I also thought that the TARDIS was overstaffed, and the scripts didn't know how to write four characters without at least one of them being neglected every time. Despite enjoying the show a degree more than when Moffat's DNA was blasted all over it, I can ultimately accept that the last two seasons - while ambitious imo - are flawed.

But Jodie Whittaker's performance as The Doctor is the show's biggest saving grace. After edgy manchild (who ended up being okay in the end) and the inconsistent mess that Capaldi's Doctor was (which was unfortunate, because I wanted to like him more than Matt Smith), Jodie has been a return to the bouncy, adventurous sort of Doctor of the Russell T. Davies run.

My biggest gripe is that she doesn't have the best material to work with, like in Arachnids in the UK where she staunches the Donald Trump expy for going to shoot a giant spider to death, despite the spider suffocating under its own weight otherwise. And it's not just her being mistaken, the show takes her side as the more morally righteous choice. I think the inflated TARDIS cast is a factor in how stretched some of these episodes felt, but a lot of the material is just kind of mediocre with Jodie Whittaker trying to hold everything together through sheer force of personality.

I think she's an excellent Doctor. The show has just been hamstrung by a series of creative decisions that writers and directors have trouble actualising, resulting in episodes where at least one of the core characters are underbaked every time. If those scripts aren't just SyFy TV Movie of the Day-tier scripts in the first place, looking at you Orphan 55. Jodie Whittaker is a consistent delight imo, trying her best to work with what's given to her.

Bad writing has little to do with her acting presence. Both can be bad. She tries too hard to be a mix between Tennant and Smith. Season 13 is only 8 episodes and she's gone after that. I'll still miss her, but she was a bad Doctor.

The Fugitive Doctor felt way more like the Doctor. When the twist was revealed and she started introducing herself, I just knew it was an actual incarnation of the Doctor.

Whoopi Goldberg said she is dying to be the next Doctor after finding out Jodie is leaving and she's already hitting up BBC. I would be totally down for that, but I doubt it would happen, especially since she's American. I could definitely see her show up as one of the billions of regenerations.

Anyway, this was basically a failed experiment. There was no real need for a female Doctor when non-white males exist and the show already had a huge female fanbase that watches more to crush on the Doctor than anything else.

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Lmao, season 11 and 12 were garbage as fuck. Jodie feels nothing like the Doctor.

And what happened to the music? It's non-existent. Read someone describe it as elevator music and I couldn't stop laughing.

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https://imgur.com/8eX14OO

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Hugh Jackman already confirmed he is only down for minor cameos but otherwise he's not returning as Wolverine. He was actually approached by Marvel to be Wolverine again for Phase 5, but he declined and said only minor cameos.

Would have been cool, but I'm betting we'll definitely get some type of cameo eventually.

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Seriously, who was it?

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He was the only one that did that extra $300 UI boost back in August/September, so it's not that surprising.

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Bane is a thousand years before. End of the High Republic is about a century.

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I hope we see Liam Neeson as Qui Gon Jinn again. With the way things are going with the shows, I expect him to show up in either Obi Wan or Ahsoka.

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OMG. I was screaming when everything started happening. I couldn't believe it. Kept cycling all these names of Jedi and other people that might show up and kept saying "it's motherfucking LUKE. Wait, nah, that's not gonna be Luke. They're fucking with us"

And then he took the hood off.

littlebro07 posted...

Also

https://twitter.com/Santosh_cool/status/1340031080842186752?s=20

That had to be intentional

Definitely intentional. It was basically Luke's version of Vader's scene.

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Nice, shock is about to have a melty.

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Goku

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Bilbo and Gandalf make it worth watching.

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Arms weak
Knees are heavy
There's a sweater on my vomit already
Spaghetti mom
Oops reality snap
Gravity gone


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pokedude900 posted...

How? I've got solid upload and download speeds and rarely have any issues. And when something does come up, they get someone over to fix the problem in a timely manner. Meanwhile I've heard tons of horror stories about Verizon.

They have massive issues with overselling their nodes causing huge saturation. There are areas where you get 1 Mbps after 3 PM to like 1 AM because of the load. You're just somewhere where the node hasn't faced this yet.

I had to file complaints up the asshole for them to come and split the node in my neighborhood. I know several people in LI, NYC and NJ whose internet is damn near unusable and this can be confirmed on dslreports.

FiOS beats them in almost every way because of the fiber nature. The only bad thing about them is their forced Quantum router if you have TV, which you can just have with your own router. Plus since Altice, FiOS has been cheaper. There's $26 in just fees with Optimum nowadays.

I can go more into it if you'd like since I've had and worked with both those and Spectrum over 2 decades now.

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pokedude900 posted...

I really wish everyone had it as good as do when it comes to internet. My ISP is a smaller company called Optimum that actually has to compete with Verizon in some areas. So they go out of their way to be better than Verizon by pretty much every metric.

Optimum is absolute trash. Especially after Altice bought them.

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Kevin Feige confirmed it's Wanda.

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