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Broseph_Stalin posted...

How is directly responding to a list someone else posted deflecting lmao, like I'm talking about the examples they gave.

The US is by far the most benevolent power to ever exist. Posting a bunch of populist misinformation you got from some Kremlin-backed loser on the internet doesn't change that.

Talking about one example and ignoring all the others that absolutely happened and were horrific is deflecting. How many did we kill, poison, impoverish, displace, or rob of political choice in Southeast Asia in the 50s-70s alone? That's not populist misinformation, that's historical fact.

It doesn't matter if we're the most "benevolent power" by some arbitrary metric. All powers are and have been trash. Including China, the USSR, etc, this isn't about some defense of communism. Being at the top of that trash heap is not something to brag about, it just means you're getting high on your own supply.

The reality is that we've caused unfathomable suffering and changed the course of countless nations for the worse in pursuit of our economic and ideological interests. It's important to recognize that so we can stop doing it.

People like you would have us continue because you're so convinced of our benevolence and that our current ideological framework is the best one and that no one should even think that they can do something different.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

Your definition of imperialism is the US intervening in Yugoslavia to stop ethnic cleansing.

You can deflect all you want, but the reality is that this country has or violently attempted to strip sovereignty and democracy from the Philippines, Haiti, Cuba, the Dominican Republic multiple times, Vietnam, the Congo, Egypt,all of South and Central America several times, Iran, and Indonesia.

That's an immense amount of fuckery that can only be defended by the insistence that America knows best and should be able to enforce our will on others through violence and subterfuge.

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That was the guy who helped me realize that the right had taken a sharp turn since the days of Bush. Before they were just dumb, sometime around 2013-14, a lot turned actively malicious and fashy and seemed to get off equally on persecution and cruelty.

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Hypocrisy doesn't matter to them. All they want is to teach a white Christian nationalist version of history that produces far right Republicans. They don't really care what they have to do to get there.

Focusing on their lack of consistency between this and the confederate statue stuff might be a gotcha that makes us feel good, but again, it doesn't matter to them. They just want to produce more of themselves and shut down knowledge that might push someone to think things aren't perfect as is.

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Wow, that really really sucks for them. I'm sure many felt like they were just getting their lives back with the vaxx.

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It's weird that people are denying the effect of the embargo on Cuba. Exactly what we're seeing now there is the desired and intended effect of more than a half century of American policy. The whole point was to cause deprivation that led to political anger and possible regime change.

Now that it's happening, we're disclaiming responsibility, but also definitely still keeping up the embargo....but it's a looney leftist conspiracy to think it's contributing to problems there.

I don't support authoritarian police whether used by a "leftist" regime or a capitalist one, I don't support repression. But I'm seeing a lot of extremely disingenuous arguments from proud neoliberals on this topic.

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Sometime around 2015, the concept of parody died because humanity just started living in a zone far past it. I wonder how the Onion keeps the lights on at this point.

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Set up a situation where going to school is safe, supportive, worthwhile, and leads to a good life and kids will go. The problem is that's not the situation in Baltimore. Kids there have gotten the idea that it's not worth their time to go, that's why they're not going. And if you've ever gone to a school that's close to legitimately bad, where most people don't do so hot even they go, it starts to make sense why a kid would rather spend their time in other ways.

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Kloe_Rinz posted...

Australia media is an absolute shit show. Imagine if close to 100% of your country watched Fox News and nothing else.

you guys complain about Murdoch in the US? Murdoch sank his fangs into Australia first. Australia was his launchpad and hes coming for you next.

He already got us.

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Pure nonsense. You can't tell me that fans and fire extinguishers cost that much. And walking back something you called a life threatening issue is ghoulish.

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Again, don't let him deflect. Direct your anger at the Tennessee GOP not this random rightwing shitposter.

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Don't let Saban derail this topic about how the GOP are going to get children and other innocent people killed or permanently compromise their health because they are anti-vaxx or believe that pandering to anti-vaxx people is profitable politically.

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These people do nothing but eat away at the foundations of a functioning society. Public health, education, law, science, equality, basic allegiance to truth. They just wanna get rid of it all.

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The people NEED early 2000s Amanda Bynes with the dancing lobsters as a final smash. They demand it.

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We had a relatively useful floor on what states could do to fuck with voting rights, at least since 1965. The Supreme Court gutted it during the Obama admin and that's why we're seeing all this trash now. States like Texas, Georgia, Florida etc wouldn't have even gotten off the ground with a lot of this stuff.

And it was all done based on the idea that racism barely exists anymore. That's not hyperbole, it's in the opinion that gutted the Voting Rights Act. That's why this colorblind, racism is fixed attitude is so dangerous. It's one of the most effective tools for horrible people to do horrible things.

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Yep, modern classic based off the dialogue quality alone.

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These people are all gonna be the racist villains in the future documentary about all of this and yet they'll still swear up and down that they're not racist and racism is dead/overblown.

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Just why? What did they think was going to happen when they posted this? What were they trying to accomplish?

Unfortunately, it was obvious what was going to happen as soon as those players missed those kicks. The worst elements of our society are just that predictable.

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This is some Manson family, helter skelter stuff. The American right has always been heading in this direction, but it's beyond parody at this point.

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It's really genuinely sad that someone who made insightful music for outcasts could turn into your typical 62 year old Brexit voter. That just shows the power of these right wing narratives and how being involved in artist culture doesn't necessarily mean you have non-trash politics.

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kage_53 posted...

Define doesnt work because pure capitalism (as in absolutely 0 forms of government regulation and involvement) has never been attempted. There is not a single country where everything is completely privatized.

We were certainly much closer in the past. We called it the gilded age and we've gotten to where we are now in large part because of near universal agreement that it sucked. We were certainly the closest we'll ever get at the very beginning of capitalism as well and that was full of exploitation.

People aren't going to try it because they rationally believe it's not good.

Communism has to wear what's actually been done under its label and so does capitalism, even though a stateless, classless, money less society has also never been tried.

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Questionmarktarius posted...

The trick is not let the capitalists make the regulations.

Has there ever been a form of capitalism where that didn't happen though? Concentrated wealth and economic power lets you have outsized influence and it always ends up there.

If communism gets dinged for how communism always seems to end up with a party elite controlling everything and running everything into the ground, capitalism should be dinged for its version of that and what it consistently leads to.

When you talk about having a government small enough to make regulatory capture irrelevant, you're very likely talking about a society in which no actor can challenge corporate action or interests. But when government is big enough to be a useful tool at the hands of capitalists, they inevitably capture it. Seems like the constant here is the capitalists sucking.

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So capitalism doesn't work when there's regulations because that kills competition. And capitalism doesn't work without regulation because then we get that Upton Sinclair, child labor situation. It's almost like it just doesn't work.

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The story of the Arctic Monkeys largely illustrates what happened. They were inspired by the last wave of indie, guitar based rock greatness from the Strokes in the early 2000s. They made garagey, punkey stuff and found a lot of success with it.

But ever since then, they've been transitioning away from that style of music because that's not where the exploration or fame is. They've experimented with hip-hop, pop, electronic, and moved further and further away from traditional rock n roll. Because that's the way the wave has been moving since before they even picked up guitars and everything that can be readily done with guitar based music has been done.

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Derwood posted...

Foo Fighters are more popular than Travis Scott over the last 15 years. WTF is this post?

I mean from the last 15 years. The Foo Fighters are a holdover from before the 2000s. And they have far less cultural relevance today than Travis Scott. Travis Scott has nicknames, catchphrases, was in Fortnite, has a McDonalds meal, married a Kardashian/Jenner etc.

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Atralis posted...

You think rock is dead because you are looking from a very shallow point of view.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptglu5MkcEk

Rock isn't getting a billion views on youtube but there are still great rock bands out there in every subgenre.

I don't think anyone is claiming that good rock isn't still being made. It's just that its cultural relevance isn't 1/100th of what it was even in the 90s. It's not what young people listen to, it's not on the radio, it's not in commercials, it's not rebellious, it's just an underground phenom or a nostalgia act at this point, with very few exceptions. And there is not a single rock group or individual as popular as Drake, Travis Scott, or Kendrick Lamar over the past decade or even decade and a half.

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Watching local news or imbibing right wing media would have you believing we live in the middle of a Mad Max movie right now. It's not surprising.

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bobbaaay posted...

and I guess I'm conservative because I support rehabilitation, education, trying to better other people, and understanding mental health and drug abuse.

We already went over this. If you want, I'll revise my statement to say that you share a core misconception about the main thing wrong with the world with conservatives. That actually is much better than sharing all of them.

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Questionmarktarius posted...

The left and right paradigm has no sense of vertical.

I fully admit to being an absurd libertarian loon. I just don't know if that's "up" or "down", or what the other direction even is.

There's a reason that I didn't include you in the list. You know and admit what you are. These others seem to genuinely think they're "centrists" despite absolutely despising the left and having little to say about 4 years of Trumpist fuckery.

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bobbaaay posted...

No - I said it was the worst thing to happen to culture and discourse. I could've omitted the society part - because some of your examples do rival it in those regards. I do think that constant surveillance of others and living in constant fear over every single thing you say or do within sight of another human is as bad as the anti-science rhetoric.
I just think you're ridiculous to assign a right wing lean to being anti-digital vigilantism -- or suggest that conservatives are the ones pushing the narrative. As I said - it has to do with a strong belief in rehabilitation, education, empathy, etc. and is more a liberal belief than conservative. Conservatives mostly just care about digital vigilantism when it's affecting their famous ideologues. I care about it in all contexts.
I've seen videos of people being recorded without consent who had clear signs of drug abuse, mental health issues, homelessness, etc. It's one step up from Bum Fights. It's Bum Fights with a self important desire to prove you're morally superior - which is honestly kind of worse in a way.

"And you're the one with a warped view if you honestly don't think that digital vigilantism isn't the most fucked thing to happen in decades."

That's what you said and that's fundamentally absurd. Again, it's not simply being against digital vigilantism and pointless, destructive, holier than thou behavior. I'm pretty sure the Chapo Traphouse guys hate that stuff and they are certainly left wing. It's calling it the worst thing to happen to society that is right wing framing.

Saying that implies that we need to focus on getting people to stop calling out other people on Twitter rather than focusing on things that "rival" digital vigilantism. They don't rival it, they are real world problems and digital vigilantism does not affect what the vast majority of people do irl, while everything I listed controls our lives. Saying that's the worst thing happening leads to exactly the type of narrow grievance politics that drives the right today where people are brought in by obsession with cancel culture and then vote for a party that turns around and strips their healthcare. They love that shit.

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Heavy_D_Forever posted...

I love how he labeled us as right wing simply because we don't 100% agree with everything he believes. Apparently having independent thoughts makes you right wing?

I call you conservative because you post conservative stuff and have for years. You aren't a borderline case. Lots of people disagree with me all the time and I don't call them conservative. I call you one because that's how you present yourself here.

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bobbaaay posted...

I love when the right wing supported rehabilitation all those years! Such a strong, essential pillar of their ideologies. -_-

Yes, they've always supported shitty people being able to say whatever harmful things they want with no consequences and to have everyone shut up about it. That is in fact a pillar of their ideology.

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bobbaaay posted...

How the fuck is an attitude of empathy, forgiveness, and education a "narrative pushed by the right"? Seriously fuck off accusing that belief as being inherently right wing.
It's what should actually be considered left, in a just world. You're a huge part of the problem if you don't realize that.

You're replacing what I actually said AND what you actually said with something that's easier to defend. Your claim was that digital vigilantism is the worst thing to happen in the last few decades. I said that that specific claim is a right wing one. I didn't say anything about empathy or even that digital vigilantism is good. Just that the claim you made is a core pillar of the right wing worldview and placing that much importance on it is as well.


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Slayer_22 posted...

I am 100% not on the right.

In regards to the 'right' views you've probably seen me have: I don't support BLM as a movement, but support the individual people who want change. I support that police need reform but hate the idea that all cops are bastards(I know some cops, they are wonderful people on and off the job). And that's about all I remember talking about regarding more right leaning stuff?

Left leaning: Hate Trump with a passion, think everyone involved in the capitol situation needs to be arrested, and I think Bernie is awesome(sometimes he has moments that make me ???). And I hate most Republicans unless it's how they look. That solid snake fellow and his hilariously bad takes make me laugh.

I mostly focus on stuff that revolves around me specifically. BLM stuff scared the shit out of me because there was a Riot near my workplace, for example.

So I think you might be misremembering. I'm definitely not right.

I never said that you were a Republican or a Nazi or something. I said you proceeded from culturally conservative assumptions, which is borne out by this post. You approach things in a very individual focused, non-systemic way and are focused on things that directly affect you. That's what I meant by culturally conservative.

It still wasn't right to put you in the same category as someone like gator or heavy d or now Payzmaykr. Now those guys are right wing. So I still apologize.

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bobbaaay posted...

I don't even know what the fuck CRT is? And you're the one with a warped view if you honestly don't think that digital vigilantism isn't the most fucked thing to happen in decades.
That other stuff is bad, too - but you want 1984? Because we fucking have it from other civilians.

I don't have any conservative beliefs. I don't have any beliefs that are even remotely conservative. I just recognize that digital vigilantism is a self important, fucked up form of justice.
Edit: and I'm definitely not anti-vax, anti-mask, anti-global warming discourse, etc. or anything else you'd mentioned. Just because I disapprove of one thing doesn't mean I automatically approve of another.

I'm only comparing the relative damage the different things have done, not accusing you of believing those things. That said, most people still say what they want, do what they want, vote for who they want, with or without this digital vigilantism. It affects and is carried about by a tiny subset of very online people. It is absolutely not the most fucked up thing to happen in decades. It's not in the top one trillion things.

Forever wars, growing economic inequality, environmental degradation, the death of investigative journalism, the decline of unions, a pandemic, economic collapses, genocides, regulatory capture, hypermobile capital, the atomization of society and culture, online echo chambers, etc are all each a thousand times worse than digital vigilantism. To call that the worst thing that's happened in decades is straight up bonkers and it's a narrative that's been pushed on you by the right, whether you've adopted other right wing attitudes or not.

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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Lol apparently you dont, so

No worries, apology accepted.

You post in every single political topic and take the most obvious right wing view with absolute predictability. YOU of all people trying to deny that proves my point. If you're not right wing, who the fuck is? Does the right wing start at Hitler for you?

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bobbaaay posted...

I'm not on the right at all, but okay.

You definitely parroted one of the central pillars of modern conservative thought and considered it one of the worst thing happening. I'd call the assassination of truth, science, and neutral factual information by right wing media and thinktanks to be a far worse thing that happened to the discourse over the last 20 years. That's warped the existence of climate change into a culture war issue which has potential to kill the planet (for humans at least) and has helped bolster the current anti-vax, anti-mask, anti-science movement that's killing people in the midst of a global pandemic right now.

Considering people on Twitter going after people who they think did bad things worth mentioning compared to that is a pretty warped view of the world in a specifically 2021 conservative way. That and CRT is basically all conservatives care about at this point.

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Slayer_22 posted...

I'm sorry, what the fuck are you on, bro? I'm not right or left, I'm not centrist. I stay away from politics entirely, unless it's to shitpost on Biden being senile or Trump being a massive PoS.

Unless I'm confusing you with someone else, I've seen you post about politics fairly often and it hasn't been in support of anything leftist or even liberal and proceeds on pretty culturally conservative assumptions. If I'm wrong, then I apologize. But I usually keep pretty good track of these things.

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Almost every single person in this topic who is urging you to reject the binary or saying the left is as bad as the right is identifiably on the right. That's not a coincidence.

Slayer_22 , Heavy_D_Forever, Hop103, gatorsPENSbucs, bobbaaay and now Samurontai apparently.

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China's history has calamities that are almost unimaginable in scale and impact and they were never so much as mentioned in the west and we have no concept of how it may have affected their society and culture.

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First, walk to the closest jail/prison. Second, punch the first cop you see. That should get you started.

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g980 posted...

People have had to work to survive since they werent hunter gathering in caves. Thats not a new thing and it isnt coercion

And yea the lack of protection for unions is awful, but irrelevant

Those were all bad as well. When people had to pay the king in crops or be jailed, that was bad. Just like having to enrich a capitalist to survive is bad. No one said it's new. Having to work to sustain yourself is one thing, having to work to enrich someone else and still not be fully sustained is another.

The lack of union protection is very relevant to everything we're discussing. That's the context in which Bezos accumulated this wealth. If his workers had unions, they would have made more, whether he still somehow had the same amount or less. And those workers didn't have them because of people like him and businesses like his stopped it from happening with those very same resources they got from underpaying disconnected workers.

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g980 posted...

Id call it a good argument for stronger social safety nets to offset the declining value of low skill labor

But it is still an exchange of payment for labor

A forced exchange in which the other option is homelessness. Where one side of the "exchange" has chambers of commerce, right wing/libertarian think tanks, and an entire political party, plus half of the other one on their side. And when workers even dream about joining together to get better terms for that exchange, the company just packs up, fires everyone, and leaves.

It is not by any means an equal exchange and it's barely a free one.


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g980 posted...

a perceived asymmetry does not make it a one way street. it is not purely an extraction of value.

It's not perceived, it's real. And it's not purely extraction of value, but it is overwhelmingly so. When someone who works at Walmart is making $7.85 an hour, can't afford basic necessities, but gives the company the majority of their waking hours and generates several times that in value for them, what would you call that?


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g980 posted...

Its terrifying how little regard you must have for individual freedoms and private property to think this way

It's terrifying how little recognition you have for the dangers of allowing individuals to direct public health around the world or decide what anti-poverty measures are tried because they hoarded wealth like a dragon and decided to give some of it away for tax and reputation laundering purposes.

It conflicts with individual freedom to have individuals with such disproportionate resources and economic power.

It doesn't conflict with individual freedom to tax people more so that they don't have such power or to organize our economy so that more wealth goes to more people rather than a few at the top soaking up everything.

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People having that much wealth is absolutely toxic for our society. You don't get that much without exploiting the hell out of workers, breaking anti-trust law, manipulating the tax system etc. It breeds hero worship. It lets specific individuals exercise immense control over the lives of others, politically and economically. It encourages those people to act like they're not bound by the rule of law or like they're fundamentally above other human beings. It creates people who are loyal only to wealth, not country, society, or even humanity. It pretends that hoarding of resources while human beings on this planet starve, get sick, or freeze/burn to death from a lack of resources is not a ghoulish thing to do. Then when they start foundations to give that away, even that reinforces the idea that wealth should remain in their hands and all societal progress should be directed by them and proceed on their wishes.

You can criticize all of that without jealousy entering the picture at all. We recognized in the gilded age that excessive wealth is terrible and yet we've forgotten.

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It's pretty bad that Fenris, a person who has been operating as a potentially paid China shill on this website for years, acknowledges Chinese human rights abuses more than you, Shablagoo. I really don't get it. Acknowledging what China is doing doesn't mean you have to cape for America either. It's possible to acknowledge the good each does while fully condemning the bad and to let that take you as far as it leads with each.

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I'm hear to kill chaos/speak ill of the dead.

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I can't support arson that could harm innocent third parties. But it's not even edgy to say that the Catholic Church hasn't received 1/10000th of the blowback they deserve for their conduct as an institution. Their crimes around the world are innumerable. Just the stuff the Church has done in Ireland and Canada would make literally any other organization synonymous with evil.

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