Lurker > Andel

she definitely has at least 2 off days working those hours at a burger king and that schedule leaves most of the day available...seems like trouble in paradise tbh

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S7R03N posted...

I think riots from the left are pretty much a given, no matter the verdict

that's a weird comment considering the right tried to stage a violent coup when their orange fascist god got crushed in an election

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mrgoatthief posted...

Hey andel, long time no see. How are you doing?

i can't complain @mrgoatthief just enjoying this ncaa tournament. how have you been?

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King_Hellebuyck posted...

Yeah? The people who have gender dysphoria and have their own trans board are sus for discussing this? So what does that make TC?

you aren't discussing anything, you are just flinging shit

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King_Hellebuyck posted...

Why are you using race and sexuality to gatekeep who can talk about gender?

anyone can talk about whatever they want but in this instance you and the perma banned troll account are acting like children and disregarding the opinion of people that actually have some kind of stake in the discussion is sus

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King_Hellebuyck posted...

Ah yes, the one trans person who speaks on behalf of all trans people

because the straight white dudes know better than that person eh? not a good look tbh

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typical straight white dudes being offended on behalf of other people itt

an actual transperson said it was no big deal but the wannabe twitter warriors are still shitting themselves to go after tc for dubious reasons. that's kinda pathetic tbh

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rod is probably the saddest and most pathetic of all cemen

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Lathissamus posted...

No he's a bumbling fool who can barely keep his train of thought. I give it a year before Kamala is president.

this qanon talking point is such a weird one considering biden is infinitely more coherent than trump was and utterly dominated him in the debates

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just try it a few times and eventually you will end up winning. strategically use the bonus thing that fills your opponents board

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so far he has been competent which is something we haven't had since early january '17


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proudclod is all over the place and doesn't even seem to understand what he is defending anymore

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pure_temper posted...

@andel
@CableZL

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/recode/2021/3/28/22354604/amazon-twitter-bernie-sanders-jeff-bezos-union-alabama-elizabeth-warren

too soon to raise an alarm???

again, we are talking about social media which amazon is not

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pure_temper posted...

@andel
@CableZL

https://twitter.com/amazonnews/status/1375509172549132289

what does amazon have to do with social media?

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pure_temper posted...

Do you think AOC is unhinged?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/27/tech/ocasio-cortez-facebook-unsustainable

Do you think Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders are unhinged?

they aren't the ones engaging me with points and then running away and making other wild claims they are unable to substantiate, that is what you are doing.

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pure_temper posted...

I'm always willing to defend "wild theories" of mine. Just not interested in convincing you specifically because you straight up admitted Dorsey and Bezos are motivated by self-interest, and yet somehow think these powers are 1) not within their control and 2) not of interest to nation-states.

So you're either unable to follow along with the arguments around the risks, or you don't care because you think you'll be one of them someday. Which is it?

uhh wut? of course they are self interested which makes them predictable. they haven't done any of the stuff you are whining about which is why you can only highlight absurd hypotheticals.

try to actually respond to the points being discussed tbh. doing whatever you are doing just makes you look unhinged and unable to substantiate your own claims

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i don't think you even understand what you are trying to argue at this point so it is probably a good thing you are unwilling to defend your wild theories anymore tbh

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while 'cancel culture' has just become a right wing buzzword it is not a great thing that unhinged people on twitter harass and send death threats to people

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pizzapatty is a joke account probably run by the same altrighter that runs the negimagician account tbh

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pure_temper posted...

Those are the accounts that they know about. And it's not like it's good optics that they barely are able to delete hundreds of thousands of accounts that late into an election cycle. It's still a problem, they will never stop making those accounts and posting garbage.

Google is definitely the biggest problem in this regard, but Facebook and Twitter are becoming more and more treated as sources even by mainstream media. Twitter threads and Facebook links get circulated to people who spread information that way.

Fox and CNN are news. No, I don't think they should be turned into utilities.

Do I have an inherent distrust of billionaires who could right now decide if they wanted to to stunt all mentions of a wealth tax or Marx or etc from their websites? To shadowban or throttle circulation of quality information that challenges the status quo? Yes I do.

Jack Dorsey or Jeff Bezos could both do this if they wanted to.

Elected officials are a lot more accessible on Facebook and Twitter than traditional means these days. And that's becoming more and more the norm. What happens when it's the norm?

I think everyone knows that it's not an r/conservative talking point to say that billionaires should not have the keys to any of this.

If there's even a 1% chance that this paranoia is justified, it should be treated as 100%. You think Bezos and Zuckerberg and Dorsey give a damn about regular people? And that they wouldn't immediately start shutting down any serious conversations that put their immense power at risk? It's not in the nature of Power to give itself up willingly, that is why we've had to break out antitrust laws in the past.

And I'm sure you've heard Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders and etc talk a shit ton about how we should either break these things up or turn them into utilities.

You know that Elizabeth Warren straight up said we should classify them as "platform utilities" and that it's not actually different from what I'm saying? Is that still an r/conservative talking point?

so if you acknowledge that the social media sites are combating the issue what exactly do you think would change by seizing the sites? do you think bad actors would suddenly stop trying to post misinformation? what exactly would improve in that regard?

fox can hardly be called news and it has more reach in spreading disinformation to the average person than social media which at least tries to correctly label blatantly false pieces of propaganda now. the point is that traditional news companies have great control over what information gets shared as well so it is weird you would only demand social media be labeled a utility (which you still haven't defined)

dorsey or bezos could absolutely not do what you are suggesting. they are driven by self interest which would preclude them from doing something that would be immediately obvious and seized upon by the millions of people that use their services.

you seem indignant about an absurd hypothetical that you can't show has even one example of ever happening. at least the motivations of people like dorsey and zuckerberg are obvious, if someone like trump had control of social media over the last few years we would have been in a much worse position

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pure_temper posted...

Now I know that you're either straight up lying, or stuck in like 10 fucking years ago my friend. And it's time to wake up and smell some fucking coffee.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/apr/02/twitter-accounts-deleted-linked-saudi-arabia-serbia-egypt-governments

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/jun/12/twitter-deletes-170000-accounts-linked-to-china-influence-campaign

https://www.cnet.com/news/twitter-removes-thousands-of-fake-state-backed-operation-accounts/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-backed-facebook-accounts-organized-events-on-all-sides-of-polarizing-issues-1509355801

There's mountains of evidence that this happens and has results. Nation states funnel immense capital into troll farms and state actors this way. It's been known to the FBI for some time now.

To say that they don't control information is a straight up lie or naivette my friend. I want my kids to have a bright future on this planet and you're completely ignoring the reality of things.

If everyone is interfacing with the public officials and with each other in discourse, and if it's tied to day to day living, it should be a utility that is no longer susceptible to profit or astroturfing and gaslighting, because the keys remain in our hands and there's no risks from billionaires allowing the narrative to be whatever they want. The risks are two-pronged: nation-states abusing these platforms by paying them to do so, and the billionaires themselves turning to darkness.

Like I said, this has NOTHING to do with alt-right censorship or Trump being banned. It's literally been the same view as what @ultimate_reaver said (sorry for the tag, i need some fuckin backup in here because I feel like I'm losing my mind)

just to be clear, you are linking to pages showing social media sites doing the right thing by nuking propaganda accounts? in what way is that a negative again?

you claimed they are 'consolidating control over information' which is just complete and utter bullshit. sure people get information from social media sites, they also get information from private media companies and thousands of other places online. twitter and facebook have way less control over the flow of information than something like google which is also a private entity. do you think fox news and cnn should be labeled utilities? you have yet to even properly define how social media even fit the label of a utility.

also no one is interacting with public officials on social media in any significant capacity more than they would through consuming more traditional media. politicians and the like still give incredibly sanitized tweets and posts so i am confused as to how that has any significance at all here.

i am no fan of the social media ceo's at all but i have yet to hear any reasonable explanation as to how listening to r/conservative would be a positive step forward in any way

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pure_temper posted...

andel you're refusing to listen to basic reason. Why?

Twitter and Reddit and Facebook are no longer just social media tools. They are a summary or a description of the sum total of human will, to quote Elon Musk. They are the front-page of what we think as a country, more and more.

And if we can solidify them so they are less susceptible to foreign astroturfing and gaslighting, they'll be even more of this.

They have public and social utility this way. Either we create a public alternative that we KNOW and can audit for efficacy against astroturfing and gaslighting, or we have to stunt these platforms so they can't be abused to fuck our election integrity anymore. We all know that they drive elections.

You can be thrown out of a public library, but I'm not making a point about turning them into utilities because of hate-speech or anything like that. My entire point in this thread is about their power as companies. They wield more capital than entire countries do at this point.

You don't see a problem with that? You think that just because they're privately funded and have a terms of service that somehow absolves them from their influence on elections and daily events? When do you think we should raise the alarm? When Bezos or Dorsey decide to start censoring any mention of a wealth tax or of Karl Marx?

Or when they start reshaping history so we no longer know the full extent of what MLK and Malcom X actually were advocating for?

Surely you realize the direction we're headed - techno-fascism is its name. You're okay with that? You don't see any risk of that from giant behemoth corporations that are consolidating control over information and access to it?

your presmise is absurd and absurdly flawed. none of these social media sites have anywhere near even a fraction of control over information online and the talk about 'reshaping history' is just inane as there is no example of this on any social media site.

arguing that because a lot of people visit certain sites makes it a utility is just disingenuous to the extreme. more people visit walmart, are they a utility?

none of these things you are feigning concern over are actually an issue. nothing is being censored on facebook or twitter and your entire argument stems from alt right types mad that they aren't given the freedom to spout threats of violence and hate speech on private platforms just as they wouldn't be allowed to in my small business or the local walmart

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pure_temper posted...

it's not a right-wing talking point

it's simply the case that companies that become too powerful do get broken up eventually, or should.

and once these things get to enough scale, they absolutely should be turned into utilities OR they should be taxed more so we can fund public alternatives that have parity.

you don't think there's a future where these things no longer get run for profit, and instead are just about being tools we use to approximate the entirety of the public will?

one day even Starlink will be turned into a utility, for all people to have free internet wherever they find themselves

By utility I mean something which operates at almost $0 marginal cost and therefore can be funded via taxation with access guaranteed to all, the way we run libraries and roads

there is no argument that social media sites in any way resemble public utilities. there is absolutely no parallel there at all and that entire talking point is straight from the bowels of the alt righters who are pissed that they get banned for saying awful things and threatening violence on these private platforms.

also, you can absolutely be thrown out of a public library for threatening or instigating violence or peddling hate speech so even if that parallel were accurate it wouldn't somehow make the point you are going for.

private sites that people agree to a terms of service for are absolutely well within their rights of banning people that violate those rules, particularly the kind of people we actually see get banned on them.

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pure_temper posted...

No, it ceases to be a private platform when it starts shaping the discourse or course of events in general. That is why we break up companies that become too powerful.

And that is why we've turned some things into utilities in the past.

this is completely fallacious. we don't break up companies that 'become too powerful' and private businesses will never be public utilities no matter how much right wing whinging there is about it.

twitter is no different than a store or other private business. a back room of a cafe in washington dc can be the site of policy being discussed and agreed upon but there is no better argument that that place is a public utility that there is for twitter

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

I'm leaning more toward restricting a social media site's ability to ban people from the platform based on existing free speech laws. Not exactly government control, but maybe something more in line with how utility companies like water, electric, and gas aren't allowed to discriminate who can buy and use the service.

When you can control the flow of information on a platform with 330 million active users, you might be a bit too powerful to be left unchecked.

you can want to restrict the free market all you want but your opinion is irrelevant and that won't be happening. twitter banning trump for inciting an insurrection is no different than being kicked out of a store. their site their rules and fat traitor donald will just have to take the consequences

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...wut

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tag and thanks for the tag @mrgoatthief

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free duckbeard

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i own two tudor black bay 58's which are mid level luxury watches that include in house movements and are basically rolex submariners that look slightly better (imo).

a $100 seiko 5 will give you accuracy that isn't much worse than the tudor and there are hundreds of different styles with the seiko 5. i would always recommend an automatic movement as well tbh

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seiko for sure. you have every range of watch you can imagine from seiko from under $100 to over $25k with grand seiko.

seiko probably makes the best general value for your dollar of any watchmaker

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Kajagogo posted...

NYC and New Orleans are two cities I never want to go to.

new orleans is an amazing city. it is in the deep south but way different than anywhere else in the deep south and the city has amazing and unique food and culture.

nyc is possibly the greatest city in the world

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hell yeah deadwood is the shit

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ssjevot posted...

Progressives think socialism is a boogeyman? Shit most of the people in the US I met thought socialism meant welfare state capitalism as seen in most non-US first world countries and identified as that. Of course that isn't what socialism is, but I have a lot of trouble believing somehow who considers themselves progressive in the US considers socialism a boogeyman.

Also for the record although tankies support Tiananmen Square, the origin is actually from a different case of the USSR sending in tanks to crush a labor uprising. These happened fairly often in the USSR and its satellite states, because of a lack of worker rights, no ability to unionize, striking being illegal, etc. They were often met violently by tanks, machine guns etc. I got to see some of the memorials to worker uprisings in East Germany and Poland myself.

that was from the pm that weird trumper dude sent me

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pure_temper posted...

Yup. You're one of the CE vets I described who new accounts can lean on. At one point I even called you a communist because I was conflating tankies with leftists or social democrats in general lol.

i posted the pm from the guy whose mantra has basically been "if you vote against trump you suck, same thing both sides!"

it's funny because i am an actual verifiable progressive who has many years of posts archived on 261 while that guy is clearly a trumper using the "same thing both sides" bullshit that actual progressives mock mercilessly. anytime you run into a new user that conceals their identity it is always because they are a troll who is ashamed of admitting who they are

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pure_temper posted...

yikes

just mark and move on, he will be warned or suspended shortly

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now the unhinged trump cultist is sending me unhinged pm's...big yikes

this is what the trump slurping alt sent me:

i've been one of CE's most vocal progressive posters for the past few years and most of the board knows that, even going as far to claim i'm a socialist or some other boogeyman

you are so far up your own ass with your block list and bubble that you can't stand to think that joe biden is a neoliberal conservative and the only separation of garbage between him and trump is that he probably won't spark an insurrection

people like you are the very reason why politicians like bernie sanders and AOC keep getting taken advantage of. the DNC preys on your loyalty and dunning kruger stupidity to keep the rich white elites in power

does kinda sound like a kanjo or rod alt but regardless they are all the same person basically anyway


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some random loser nobody is only representative of himself and whoever is dumb enough to employ him

any absurd or dumb opinions can be found on the internet, it is only a problem when the dumb opinions start being parroted by huge groups of people like anything to do with shit like qanon or the gop

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pure_temper posted...

these types of trash posts and a general lack of...coherent or elaborate arguments at all, suggest that you're just a troll dude

and if you're NOT a troll, realize that you come across as a troll and therefore should change your approach

hint: change your approach to actually refuting specific positions people make, otherwise why bother posting except to troll? and in that case let us know so we can tag you lmao

anyone hiding behind a no karma alt is doing it because whatever main account they use is already mocked and disregarded as trash. when it comes to obvious trump humpers that is the formula they always fall back on because they have nothing else

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GranolaPanic posted...

I dont know what a Kanjo is either.

idk if that rookie user is kanjo but he is an obvious trumper

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GranolaPanic posted...

I dont know who they are.

I just have no problem with this statement. Its a sensible way to address what happened and I dont understand why people have a problem with it.

it's best not to seriously respond to rookie user's, especially obvious alts of trump supporters like that dude

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thankfully trump was terrible for the gop and managed to lose the whitehouse/house/senate because he was such a dumb bitch lol

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fan357 posted...

You mean hes waiting to get actual information instead of just assuming what happened?

this. anyone seeking to criticize that is just a stupid individual tbh

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