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Doom_Art posted...

I'm just in awe that an adult spent an entire afternoon/evening sticking with this dumb argument lol

It's not dumb.

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Doom_Art posted...

Lol no it's not

It is.

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Darmik posted...

What's the question again?

Im questioning why they got rid of her boobs with the logic of trying to make her less sexual, as if having boobs at all is automatically sexual.

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R_Jackal posted...

I mean, caring about a cartoon rabbits bust size is different than caring about a statement made in, say, a political fiction book or something. So... bit of a stretch.

People are allowed to question things, both big & small. The logic being used to say why I shouldnt question this particular thing is flawed.

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BabyRoxann posted...

Its saying that caring about a cartoon rabbits breasts is not a normal thing adults would be concerned over.

And again, thats like saying nobody should care about fiction in general. All Im doing is questioning the over-correction.

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BabyRoxann posted...

Nobody with normal adult sensibilities would care about this

Thats like saying nobody with adult sensibilities would care about anything unfavorable in fiction.

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DaTwistedGuns posted...

Who cares, its a kids show.

Irrelevant.

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The Wheelman1 posted...

People these days are terrified of sexy women. We used to embrace it back in the day. Not anymore i guess. Now every csrtoon female has to look as bland as possible because some kid might get a hard on. Ridiculous.

I just dont think there was anything wrong with Lolas design. She was shapely, but nothing overboard. Changing her outfit and not having any seductive moments would have been enough.

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Conflict posted...

I mean what did you really think was gonna happen when you made this topic

You couldn't have thought it was worth putting energy into. I don't care if anthropomorphic animals have boobs btw

I expected people to read my reasoning and provide input. But apparently, bunny boobs is all people can process.

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BabyRoxann posted...

Yikes calling a user mentally ill isnt the best look bruh.

I didn't call you mentally ill.

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Conflict posted...

I know I'm definitely on CE when I see someone complaining about a rabbit not having boobs.

This type of response is painfully predictable.

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BabyRoxann posted...

It seems like if you want someone to stop responding to you, you should prob stop quoting them.
Also maybe you should preface your topics by saying you only want users to agree with you as youll get incredibly mad if they show how sad this topic is.

I hope you become less miserable one day. You're clearly not in a good place mentally.


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BabyRoxann posted...

Lmao^ getting so mad made you quote your alt

I accidentally quoted FortuneCookie when I meant to respond to you. But FortuneCookie seems to be right about your behavior.

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BabyRoxann posted...

How sad is your life dude?

Not very. I'm in good health, make decent money, and partake in hobbies that make me happy while generally surrounded by supportive people.

Now, please cease communication with me. You're unpleasant.

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BabyRoxann posted...

Lmao theres the anger

How old are you?

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FortuneCookie posted...

Ignore him. He's done that before.

Anytime someone brings up sexy characters, he talks about how it's fake outrage or whatever.

Why are there so many cantankerous, antagonistic users here?

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MrMallard posted...

Is she overcorrected though? Her design has changed over the years, including the recent boom of clips from The Looney Tunes Show that show more of a ditzy bizarre-brained side of her, which similarly has a design that isn't overly sexual. Lola Bunny hasn't been over the top fanservice for years.

If anything, her Space Jam appearance is the outlier in her depiction within the Looney Tunes franchise.

The director is on record as saying that the characters will look the same as they did in the first Space Jam.


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BabyRoxann posted...

Eh 0/10. Not very original. You should keep pretending to be unreasonably angry and people might keep falling for it. Good luck

You are not funny, clever, witty, or any of the things you think you are with your pointless posts that clearly prove you haven't been paying attention. You're obviously just posting in a way that you think fits in with most of the replies here

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BabyRoxann posted...

I mean I know youre just trolling but at least try to keep up the act. You dropped it way too easily

I'm not trolling. Quit strawmanning and making baseless assumptions, please.

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cuttin_in_farm posted...

Its a lose-lose TC.

These folk are disingenuous and being blatantly obtuse. They will outright strawman and insult you multiple times, then gaslight you for responding to the accusations by claiming you care too much.

Yeah, it's become quite apparent that this is sadly the case. Fortunately, I don't mind defending myself against any and all opposition if I know (or at least feel strongly) that I'm making sense.

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Darmik posted...

Did anyone ask why Lola Bunny was the first Looney Tune animal after several decades to have boobs at all?

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BabyRoxann posted...

TC why do you think the world has to cater to your sexual desires?

Comments like this are SO ten pages ago.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Even among the 1% this is a really silly thing to complain about.

It's an animated kids movie with cartoon animals playing basketball with Lebron James. Who cares

Where are you getting the impression that I care an unhealthy amount? All I'm doing is defending my argument. I haven't cursed anyone out, TYPED IN ALL CAPS AND EXCLAMATION MARKS TO EXHIBIT FRUSTRATION!!!, or anything that would lead one to believe I'm blowing a gasket over this. As someone who designs characters, I just find the decision to make such a change pretty sus.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

That's exactly what it is in like 99% of cases.

And as you can see by my reasoning, I'm part of the 1%. So there's no reason to lump me in with the other 99%.

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

Now that you mention it, surrendering your individual will and modeling yourself after me would have the definite advantage in terms of not being upset that Awful Movie 2's "sexy" rodent is less "sexy" than Awful Movie 1's "sexy" rodent, and you would feel *amazingly* smug, superior and confident any time someone is.

So, then, I'm not sure what your argument is supposed to be. Why not think like me? What are you losing?

The ability to not assume that people questioning Lola's lack of bosom are only doing so because they want to sexualize her.


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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Can we just get something straight and address the fact that this is all because some dudes don't find a cartoon rabbit fuckable anymore?

That's not why everyone takes issue with Lola's redesign. I actually think she looks fine for the most part, but the whole "no breasts allowed whatsoever" part of her design feels like overcorrection, considering the reason they redesigned her at all.

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Starks posted...

An earlier poster adressed this but Lola was supposed to answer the "what if Jessica Rabbit was actually a rabbit".

Even Jessica Rabbit is just a callback to Red from those Tex Avery shorts. The whole "hot girl who makes fellas instantly fall in love" thing is its own trope.

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

I don't care. Neither should you.

"Everyone should think like me."

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l0gic posted...

There isn't anything wrong with either, which is why I think it's a fair question to ask why they got rid of the breasts on a character who previously had them. If there's nothing inherently sexual about Lola having boobs, then why make her look more-or-less the exact same but with no boobs? There's a contradiction there. Either the mere existence of boobs is inherently sexual, or it's not. Guess which belief is more misogynistic?

You kinda just proved my (and I suppose TC's) point. Breasts CAN be sexual, but they shouldn't be seen as innately so (at least, not when drawn/shown in a way that clearly isn't meant to arouse).

Somehow I missed this. Yeah, that's exactly my point. Making Lola flat when she previously wasn't with the rationale being that they want her to be less sexual, automatically implies that her having boobs at all is sexualization. That sort of thinking is, ironically, more problematic than the very issue they're trying to combat.

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For the record, folks, this is Lola Bunny's original design. The outfit is clearly meant to show off the shapeliness of her body, so with the intent of making her less sexualized, I understand the decision to update it. But please tell me what's wrong with her bosom.



Pretty normal-looking bosom if ya ask me. For comparison, this is Jessica Rabbit (someone whose archetype Lola is clearly based on):



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eston posted...

I humored you for as long as I think I can. If this is your idea of nuanced discussion, then I am embarrassed for you

I think you understand that you just can't properly rebut my overall point, and now you're trying to save face.

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eston posted...

My perspective is that the new design looks fine and is appropriate for what they're doing with the character. Is that an unreasonable perspective to you? And from a design standpoint...I disagree, that character was very clearly designed to be sexy. I don't even know how you can argue otherwise.

Lola Bunny's previous body was literally just that of an adult woman. Hell, Dexter's mom (from Dexter's Lab) had a more voluptuous figure. You must have VERY delicate sensibilities.

They redesigned the whole character to be less overtly sexual, and that includes her appearance.

Her appearance was fine. She just looked like an adult woman. Have you ever seen an adult woman?

The boobs only come into play because they didn't add them and you're mad about that for some reason.

I am not mad; I simply don't find what you're saying entirely logical. Quit making baseless assumptions.

Your original argument was that this somehow pushes a boobs = bad message, which is so patently ridiculous that it doesn't deserve an actual argument lol

It's not. Lola literally has zero chest now. Do you think that was just a random design choice?


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LinkDaLunatic posted...

the whole thing was fucking dumb tbh

they said it was to make her 'a strong character' but lola bunny was already
* self confident
* skilled at basketball (2nd best on tune squad behind michael)
* no less two dimensional than tweety or elmer fucking fudd
so apparently being sexy/flirty disqualifies you from being "strong" lol
not a good message to push but

Yeah, this is what I'm getting at. What exactly are the creators trying to say? The attempt to "fix" Lola comes with its own set of questionable thought processes.

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

They didn't. You're just upset about a non-issue.

So taking away her boobs had nothing to do with anything? Just a random design choice someone made for no particular reason?

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eston posted...

I hope you understand that this is just your personal opinion and has no bearing on how the people making the movie viewed the old design. Like, you aren't even making an argument here.

Well, no shit. You're just using the "everything is subjective" argument. Clearly, I'm arguing from the perspective of what can generally be seen as reasonable. From a pure design standpoint, there was nothing overtly sexual about Lola.

As you pointed out earlier it isn't just the boobs being changed

Yeah; it's the voice (which makes sense, since her original voice was clearly meant to be somewhat sultry) and the sexy walk (which is self-explanatory). Again, where do basic boobs come into play?

This is pretty normal on CE, but I'm not really seeing why you think any of the arguments you've made have any nuance.

Because I'm pointing out how the eradication of Lola's boobs do nothing to deliver the message that she is now a less sexualized character; connoting the existence of boobs with sexualization is, in & of itself, problematic. I think that's a little more nuanced than "LOL go 0utsIde & tOucH gr@SS, fuRRiE"

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cuttin_in_farm posted...

This is CEs specialty. Ignore the context and gaslight you to oblivion.

Jeez, such miserable and obnoxious board culture lol

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Starks posted...

I can only hope that Lola is truly fixed now.

I am sick of ditzy Lola from the cartoons. She lost almost all of her athletic ability and levelheaded personality. She became a clingy idiot.

I didn't much care for ditzy Lola, either.

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eston posted...

Her appearance was very obviously part of it, and they chose to change the design. Like I'm sure you could tone down the character without changing her appearance, but why?

Because the "problem" was the character and not her appearance?

So some rando on the internet doesn't complain about her not having boobs? Does a cartoon rabbit need boobs? What actual point are you trying to make here?

Getting rid of boobs entirely doesn't send the message that they're seeking to make Lola less objectified, because having boobs isn't objectification. So when you take a character who has boobs (not big, attention-grabbing boobs like Lara Croft or Jessica Rabbit, but just normal boobs), and make a point to get rid of them--after going on record to say that you're seeking to make this character less sexualized--it comes off as over-correcting. Because again, Lola having boobs was never the "problem".

Given most of your responses I think that's highly debatable

Yes, let's pretend 85% of the replies I've gotten aren't either baseless insults or baseless judgment.

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cjs28 posted...

I love that there's a 100 post topic arguing about boobies >_> People are really passionate about da titties

50% of the replies are just variations of "lol U must B @ fuRRie". 40% are my replies to everyone. 10% are actual responses to the question that don't seek to insult or assume.

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Zero_Destroyer posted...

I'd tell OP to touch grass but I'm afraid of what he'd do if he saw a rabbit tbh

Man, y'all are judgmental. What's with people's inclination to assume the worst about everyone?

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eston posted...

Clearly her previous appearance was problematic to some because, as you said, she was designed for sex appeal and was controversial for it.

She was designed to be attractive, but the actual sex appeal was more in how she carried herself. The sultry walk; "don't ever call me doll"; kissing Bugs for saving her; etc. You can reduce all of that without changing the design and still achieve the desired results.

And I don't know why you complain about people on CE not having nuanced discussions when that obviously isn't what you're after. You just want people to agree with you.

Considering I acknowledged the one or two people who actually gave nuanced answers, this demonstrably isn't true.

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lolife67 posted...

And I already said I was comparing her to women I've seen/know in real life. "Reality" is the logic I'm using.

OG Lola has small boobs and (at the very least) semi-defined legs. New Lola has no boobs and Bugs Bunny legs. Again, your logic doesn't seem grounded in reality.


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eston posted...

I don't consider any part of it offensive and I'm not sure why that's your takeaway.

So what is your point? You said her boobs were part of the sex appeal they sought to get rid off; I rebutted by saying her boobs were never problematic.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Again, needs to be said.

The main difference is the fact that in the first movie she wears a crop top, which is going to flow more naturally around breasts.

In comparison, wearing a basketball jersey like she is in the second movie, especially one that is loose, will not accentuate anything.

Unless there is an example of her wearing something similar in the second, that is the main difference in design.

I don't know if you posted this already (it's hard to keep up with everyone's replies), but this is the first fair point I've seen. Yes, they did make a point of showing more "skin" with her OG jersey.

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Webbernet posted...

"Feminism is out to get me" is nuance now?

The fact that you don't see the irony of using a strawman argument in response to someone complaining about lack of nuanced thinking, only proves my point.

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ChrisTaka posted...

The girl on the right could like an eye out with those things wtf

LMAO Kim Possible was very stylized.

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Lonestar2000 posted...

Imagine caring this much about a kids movie.

This always strikes me as a weird response, considering we're on a video game message board. But as usual, the assumption that someone cares too much is a baseless one.

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BloodMoon7 posted...

She's meant to be a talking cartoon rabbit. Not that your point doesn't still stand, it's a cartoon, realism doesn't apply and she can have huge milkers. But c'mon bro. That's a fucking rabbit, why are you being like this?

Being like what? I'm asking a question, and most of you are making a ton of assumptions in response. It's like just because the subject matter is "boobies", you people assume the worst. I'm just wondering why they removed a harmless aspect of her design. She didn't have Jessica Rabbit boobies, but we know the creators made a specific point of getting rid of her sex appeal. So the decision to get rid of her boobs entirely just feels very corporate and over-corrective.

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lolife67 posted...

No. My logic is that she looks like real life athletes, period.

How? Her arms are flabbier, and besides the breast reduction, she's just wearing a jersey that covers more. What logic are you using to say she looks more athletic, besides "not all sporty women have visible boobs" (which is irrelevant because many athletic women do have visible boobs)?

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Bunnies don't have boobs

Already addressed.

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