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spikethedevil posted...

But she barely had boobs in the original SJ.

Which is my point. She had proportionate breasts that didn't call attention to themselves, and yet the creators still made a point to get rid of them. Why is that?

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BloodMoon7 posted...

That's not what you said. You said they were humans with animal traits. Huge difference.

You took it too literally. My point was that arguing "real bunnies don't have boobs" is silly because these characters are anthropomorphized, which means they're meant to EFFECTIVELY be human.


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MrToothHasYou posted...

what the fuck are you talking about

She was a somewhat sexualized character, but had normal breasts that weren't distracting. They corrected her by taking away the sex appeal. They over-corrected by taking away her boobs. Having boobs doesn't automatically mean a character is sexualized.

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eston posted...

Because every other character was not controversial for being over sexualized, and her having perky rabbit titties was part of that

So we've already addressed that her boobs weren't even designed to be distracting. But just for you, here is a picture of OG Lola Bunny:



And here is how she looked in some of the Warner Bros. comics after Space Jam:



What exactly about this design do you consider offensive?


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lolife67 posted...

She does to me. She looks like a lot of women basketball players I've seen. You also seem to be under the impression that if you can't see her breasts protruding then they aren't there.

We can both plainly see that she is now as flat as Bugs Bunny himself. There's not even the slightest bit of protrusion in the chest area. Here are Kim Possible characters in cheerleading outfits:



by your logic, they would suddenly look more athletic if they didn't have boobs. Your line of reasoning is confusing.

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Trumble posted...

Then if you're not concerned about realism, there's nothing that would prevent boobs disappearing.

My question is why the deliberate decision to remove her boobs in the first place, especially when every other character looks the same as they did in the first movie.

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BloodMoon7 posted...

The fuck?

Why are you confused? Are you unaware that Bugs Bunny, Mickey Mouse, Sonic the Hedgehog, etc. are just stylized cartoon animals with human traits?

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lolife67 posted...

The answer is kinda obvious. She now looks like a lot of athletic women, where you don't see there breasts a pronounced (mostly due to the type of clothes they wear and, also, due to their body types.)

You can still tell she's female so accentuating her boobs doesn't matter.

She doesn't look more athletic now.

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eston posted...

I was only being half serious tbqh
But come on man no kid is going to look at a boobless cartoon bunny and interpret that as "boobs = bad" lol

The creators are on record saying they deliberately sought to mitigate Lola's sex appeal. Now, she doesn't have boobs. I'm asking why having boobs at all is apparently considered "sex appeal". Her original design isn't what some people found "offensive" about the character.

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CM_Ponch posted...

I like that no one can give you an actual answer without insulting you

Yeah, I'm noticing that this board isn't really the place to expect nuanced thinking.

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Doom_Art posted...

Well really, what are you hoping for out of this

Read the topic again, but this time without making assumptions about my character.

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eston posted...

The fact that so many grown ass men still have weird crushes on cartoon characters from their childhood tells me it was a mistake to give her boobs in the old one tbqh

Lola Bunny was deliberately characterized with sex appeal in the original Space Jam. That's what made her "furry bait" for many; not the sole existence of her boobs.

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Doom_Art posted...

If you wanna get horny from drawings, there's plenty of that online

Let's not strawman, please.

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eston posted...

Not for rabbits

You say this is as Lola Bunny is meant to be a realistic rabbit.

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CapnMuffin posted...

purposeful design choice

that cartoon females must have boobs and eyelashes, no matter to what extent anthropomorphized, is a bit outdated

How so? By and large, most female characters have boobs. The size of and/or attention given to the boobs is what typically determines how "sexualized" they are.

AloneIBreak posted...

Its weird to give a rabbit boobs.

She's not really a rabbit, though. She's an anthropomorphized cartoon character -- essentially a human with bunny features.

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Solar_Crimson posted...

They want to curb any more children growing up to become furries.

I thought that was the point of the reduced sex appeal. Getting rid of her breasts just denies her a basic aspect of femininity, and reinforces the idea that the very existence of breasts is problematic.

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eston posted...

She's a rabbit

What is your point? They still made a point to make her breast-less, despite them previously existing. Having breasts is a normal part of being female.

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I get the feeling a bunch of sarcastic, devoid-of-critical-thinking, mob mentality posts are headed my way...oh boy.

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I get it; she had too much "sexy" energy in the original. Fair enough. It was never that bad IMO, but whatever. They tone it down. But now she has like...no bosom whatsoever. Her chest is as flat as Bugs'. Why? Her chest was never exaggerated to begin with. By denying her boobs at all, they ironically push a "breasts = bad" message that's just as problematic as the "female = sexy" message they sought to go against.

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Joel would have killed everyone and subsequently lied to Ellie, regardless of what she wanted. Marlene was going to operate on Ellie without her consent, and didn't even pay Joel for his services.
They both had understandable motives. They both were still wrong.

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I somewhat liked Abby. I didn't like Joel.

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Heavy Rain last week. Thrilling stuff. I really liked Ethan, Jayden, and Madison. Can't believe who the Origami Killer turned out to be. Fuck Blake.

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TheOtherMike posted...

I've already laid out what confirms that. There doesn't need to be a literal conversation with the question "Did you gain her consent?" and a "yes" or "no" for the scene to be unambiguous.

Yes, and it was finely disputed by rebirth. The context of the conversation was why Marlene was willing to allow the operation if she truly cared about Ellie. Nothing to do with consent.

If Joel is assuming, it's with more than sufficient evidence to be certain. I see no conceivable way it wouldn't cross his mind with how blatantly obvious it is given Marlene's attitude and Ellie's absence.

Literally nothing about Marlene's attitude changes with or without Ellie's consent; Joel would still threaten her, Ethan would subdue him, and things would go exactly as they did. And anyway, as several others have pointed out to you numerous times, Joel was not motivated by whether or not Ellie gave consent, so what's even your point?

Either way I'm tired of the argument, and I have better things to do now.

Yeah yeah, we'll see how true that is.


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It's the shittiest show ever.

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TheOtherMike posted...

No he didn't, but you're welcome to try and point out where I'm wrong.

You're wrong when you say Joel knew Marlene hadn't gained consent from Ellie in their first conversation, because nothing confirms that. At best, Joel is assuming; at worst, the thought didn't even cross his mind. Either way, rebirth is right because you're arguing from inference but pretending it's indisputable.

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TheOtherMike posted...

Dude, you're wrong. Get over it.

Nah, he owned you.

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Funkydog posted...

It exists. You're either delusional, or you accept the fact it exists.

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Also, theres a chance she felt insulted by your assumption that shed be willing to fuck no matter the conditions, as if shes just some dirty slut with no standards. Yeah bro, you were too desperate to bust a nut and it clearly guided your decision-making (didnt help that you were trying to be sneaky about it). My advice is again to be more realistic (nobody wants to fuck in a funkyass public restroom on a busy day) and be respectfully upfront about what you want. No unpleasant surprises. Gotta have good social sense about these things.

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Is this a joke post? You seriously expected a stranger to be okay with f***ing on a public toilet, especially after you failed to bring it up? In the middle of a crowded day?? Bruhyou could have ended the post right there. Of course she lost total interest. Public toilets are DISGUSTING. Please try to think about things from the other persons perspective next time, and just be more realistic in general. She was probably turned off by your lack of standards, considering you were willing to have sex on a dirtyass public toilet in broad daylight. Imagine if there was shit and dried piss on the seats, or it just smelled like open ass the whole time.

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Is this a joke post? You seriously expected a stranger to be okay with fucking on a public toilet, especially after you failed to bring it up? You could have stopped typing after that part; of course she lost total interest. Public toilets are DISGUSTING.


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Guerrilla Soldier posted...

one day i'll look into this "social media" thing

not sure if worth

Its not.

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gamer167 posted...

Only men who would be considered betas feel this strongly about this.

What is this logic based on?

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DeadlyNinjaBees posted...

I dunno, the attempt to call cringe on that user made you look more cringe, tbh.

Alright, I'll bite: how? I dare you to explain and make sense at the same time lol

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TheVipaGTS posted...

Found the Beta its TC lol

Ew, the cringe of this comeback...



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"alpha" and "beta" unironically?

Y'all realize you sound like impressionable teenagers whose insecurities are being exploited by influencers, right?

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Theres just no compelling evidence for it, and what we do know of death seems to suggest the contrary.

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Im doubtful, but existence itself is enigmatic so who knows.

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SomeLikeItHoth posted...

Pretty. Whats the point though?

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What are shows, movies, video games, etc. that you feel should have stopped after a certain season/installment, because it just felt like the series had run its natural course and didn't need to continue?

For me, Ratchet and Clank. A Crack in Time would have been a great note to end the series on, and for a while, it seemed like that was the plan. But then All 4 One happened...and then Full-Frontal Assault...and then Into the Nexus...and then Before the Nexus...etc.

Dragon Ball. It really had nowhere to go after Frieza. Goku had already defeated multiple martial arts masters, the world's most powerful army, received training from God himself, finally learned about his species, battled aliens, and thwarted the most powerful being in the known universe after becoming a literal living legend. What next? More Red Ribbon Army, but the robots are somehow stronger than Frieza? Multiple forms of super saiyan and everyone being capable of it, despite that it was supposed to be a once-in-a-millennium standalone thing? Magic monsters that turn people into chocolate? Come on, bro. Shit's so forced.

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eh, I'm not really feeling it so far. The actual gameplay looks GREAT and better than ever, but man...the story and characterization (not to mention the ENDLESS IN-GAME DIALOGUE) is just so unengaging. Hoping it gets better, but man...ever since this series switched lanes for the more Pixar/family-friend feel, it just hasn't been nearly as charming.

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Bump!

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Whether from a TV show, movie, video game, or comic book, what are parts that were so contrived/ridiculous/etc. that it completely took you out of the moment?

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hockeybub89 posted...

Current year and people still think "debate them with facts" will shut anyone down. The 2016 election ruined our society. Everyone thinks their opinions matter and that facts are relative now.

Sadly, this is true.

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Bump!

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Man, celebrities can be so insecure...

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Personally, I'm partial to "defense". Could be just because I'm used to it, but the "s" looks better than the "c" IMO.

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She is an attractive woman who looks to be in shape and has a very nice smile. She gives off a motherly vibe.

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Hmm...

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