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pegusus123456 posted...

No, I haven't. I actually started the series solely to play the third one, but it's somehow the one I never got around to playing.

Yeah I kinda hated it lol, but like I said I'm mildly curious about the second.

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pegusus123456 posted...

Then no. The combat honestly isn't deep enough to have different attacks, I'm pretty sure it's just "click on this dude."

Have you not played the third one? That actually sounds less annoying. Another issue I had was Geralt would switch weapons and put them away automatically without my input.

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pegusus123456 posted...

It's not quite as obvious in-game, you just feel an overall clunkiness.

I don't remember this at all, no. Are you talking about the third one?

Yeah the third one is the one I played.

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pegusus123456 posted...

It's honestly not that important. I really only used it before telegraphed boss battles. Apparently the alchemy talent tree is the strongest one if you know what you're doing though.

I didn't realize why the combat in this game is so clunky until I watched Joseph Anderson, one of those "I'mma make a 4 hour video about one game" dudes. Witcher 2 is weird because the animations don't match the actual combat. It looks like an action game akin to Dark Souls or God of War, but it's not. It works like an MMO with hotbar combat.

Melee attacks are essentially like spells in WoW. You can swing all you want, Geralt's sword does nothing unless you have a target. If you have a target, it casts the "melee spell" and creates a small AoE in front of him. Enemies standing in that AoE take damage. So it doesn't matter if Geralt takes a wide swing that passes through four guys, it's only going to damage the one you're targeting. He might be two feet away from an incoming sword, but he's still going to take damage because he's in the AoE. You can watch an archer embed an arrow into a rock and still take the damage from it. The cleave attack you can unlock later on works like Chain Lightning, you damage one guy and it chains to another guy even if he's six feet away. Enemies can parry before they take their sword out. They can block with their shield when you hit them from the back. Geralt can be set on fire before the dragon even breathes it because the attack is cast at the beginning of the animation.

And then the problem is compounded by various exceptions to the rules and glitches. Without that cleave attack, you're only supposed to be able to damage one enemy at a time. But because it works like an AoE, you can hit more than one if they're close enough. The targeting can bug out and you can attack enemies you don't have targeted until it catches up, realizes you can't, and you stop damaging them.

That sounds awful... does it also have that stupid thing where he does different attacks based on how close you are to the enemy? That was extremely obnoxious.

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Hated 3 but I'm interested in checking out two to see how different they are. I actually hear 2 has a more engaging story, but three has better gameplay.... even though 3 has abysmal gameplay.

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I dunno DuncanWii. 500k is good money though. In general I'd rather take it unless the odds of getting to 10mil was like a 95% chance in my favor.

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But for real yo, that song is my jam.

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It's no Terranigma but I like it. Holds up much better than Ocarina of time, but Majoras mask is best Zelda.

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Kakapo posted...

Thanks for letting us know

You sir are welcome :3

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sutree posted...

I got maybe 10 hours into it and I was really enjoying the writing. The sidequest stories were actually more enjoyable than the main quest.

The combat was so bad though I just couldn't continue.

Yeah at first I didnt think the combat was that bad, but the more I play it the worse it feels. Having Gerhalt do these different fancy ass moves based on how far away the enemy is gets old real fast and makes you feel much less in control. Also apparently Gerhalt will automatically switch weapons if I'm not using the one the game wants me to.

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JimmyFraska posted...

You're correct, and I was relieved this wasn't a generic "oh I like it now" topic

You're welcome lol.

TheShadowViper posted...

Yeah I don't need to see any more of this drivel.

You could try to explain how they're interesting.... because I dont get. To bring up Kingdom Come Deliverance again, I actually enjoyed the characters and banter in that game.

electricbugs2 posted...

Morrowind came out in 2002 and makes The Witcher 3 look like a Hydlide game in comparison. It is better than Oblivion and Skyrim though.

Also the story is boring because its based on a dry fantasy series that was translated from another language. And the writer of said series hates the games, which says a lot.

Morrowind does have a much cooler setting. And yeah I heard that about the author lol.

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Smashingpmkns posted...

I loved everything about the Bloody Baron quest. Then some after. Then I get to Skellige (I think) on every play through and fall off immediately. It takes a huge nosedive around then and I can never make it past it.

The Bloody Baron himself I like. Hes by far the most interesting character to me so far. Also the notchling was cool. Did not like the goat mission, and yeah I heard the next stretch is much weaker and that worries me in terms of trying to play more.

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Shotgunnova posted...

lmao

Kingdom Come Deliverance is low-key great, though.

Dont know why you say low key but I agree it's great :p I mean in comparison to TW3 the combat was much better, it felt more immersive, and it felt like there was just ways to tackle missions and interact with the world around you.

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Ratchetrockon posted...

I had the opposite experience. 1st playthrough i thought it was ok. 2nd playthrough a few years later i thought it was good.

I still wouldnt call it the GOAT of the rpg genre tho. Thought it wasnt as good as some of the older crpgs from 90s to early 2000s.

My experience with Crpgs is relatively limited but I definitely prefered The Gothic Games over The Witcher 3, and for a more modern example Kingdom Come deliverance. Planescape Torment while it has weak gameplay.

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weekoldhotdog posted...

This is a opinion. It is not popular. Most people won't even agree with it. But this is still an opinion.

Yes. Well it's mostly an opinion. The cows actually are immortal that's fact.

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...and my opinion of it has only gotten lower. There is no justification in calling this one of the greatest games ever. I dont wanna tell you what you can and can like but this is a seriously bad game. The combat is a bloody mess, the rpg mechanics are shallow, and the story is just not interesting. The scenes of characters talking are just so dull.

Its like they mistook being dull as being mature. The whole wild goose chase structure and the way it starts off in the middle of a search with no real build up to hook you in just a dream sequence especially makes it hard to get hooked. The characters and their interactions are rarely interesting, and rarely feel like I'm making progress.

Also I cant attack villagers but I'm free to kill their livestock (outside the immortal cows), and pets, as well as go into their houses and loot their possessions and they just dont care? Kinda dated for 2015.

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sutree posted...

It's probably the most immersive open-world game I've ever played. I enjoyed it for 30 hours but I put it down and don't really have the interest to finish it.

Me and several openworld RPGs tbh.

GTurtlte posted...

No problem. Kinda the reason i need to restart my file. Need higher lockpick and another thing. So one day when i get around ill start all over

I almost wanna restart and build myself up as a stealthy thief lol.

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GTurtlte posted...

Good job. He was a bastard. But theres a part not long from that where im at where stealth is needed so start just stealthin bit by bit

Thanks for the tip, and yeah fuck that guy lol.

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GTurtlte posted...

TC. How far are you in the game btw

I'm not sure. I spent probably too much time on side quests, but as far as the main quest goes I've beaten Runt.

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GTurtlte posted...

It was a glitch. Cause the hits never registered. When i reloaded and went to where the ambush was i fought the tunic wearing bastards and killed THEM in two hits. But for saftey measures after experincing that odd glitch twice more i ninjad up.

also had the duelist sword which was 74 attack

Oh weird.

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GTurtlte posted...

I died a few times. Oddly. Enough. My defense and sword skills are high. But. That glitch is why i quickly turned into a stealth nut and kill every camp while they sleep

Not sure if it's a glitch. Maybe it is? I planned to go the stealth route on a second play through, and be more a thief/assassin.

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Shotgunnova posted...

Do you have the DLC? You can have your immortal dog attack enemies by chomping their legs, setting up user-friendly kills in 2-on-1 situations. There's also a useful perk (Headcracker?) that lets you get instant knockouts on enemy headshots -- melee or ranged, IIRC -- with a certain proc%.

I have the dlc but it's not installed. I was saving it for a second playthrough on hardcore mode. I have headcracker though.

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GTurtlte posted...

Thats the odd glitch i get. I can hit and attack unarmored bandits in the face. They wont die. They hit me once with a blackjack in my pristine fully repaired plate armor I die. Lol.

Yeah that's the only glitch I remember, and it only happened once.

Oh well I dunno the intricacies of the combat enough to tell you why that is. Maybe it's to do with weapon choice or stats? I think getting hit to the head with axes, hammers, and maces will take you down quickly no matter what. I never died in one hit though.

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GTurtlte posted...

I need to restart my file at somepoint. But i never had any major glitch. A few here and there

hope they make a sequel or succesor but with better combat though

The only glitch I recall was two guard npcs who spawned in the same spot. But it boggles my mind anyone could think the combat us bad, especially by open world standards.

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Shotgunnova posted...

A lot of the bugs were fixed, but not all.

As for fighting multiple enemies, yeah, that's often unwise. There are points along the road where you can be ambushed by 2-3 heavily armored bandits, at which point it's better to run. It doesn't help that the game's archery (which actually is decent against armored enemies) is rather unwieldly and slow. Of course, if you can get onto a roof out of sword range -- which is possible in some areas -- you can just pick off those bastards.

Since I suck at archery, i often spread the enemies a part by running and having them follow me and then kill fight them one at a time that way. I often end up fighting one guy while another is trying to shoot arrows at me.

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Quorthon109 posted...

I put like 130 hours into it during lockdown last year. As much as I enjoyed it, I'm not sure I could ever start it over again. I wouldn't call the combat great but there's more to it than I expected, though I never reached a point where fighting multiple enemies at once felt good. I think the thing that stood out the most was the character progression and how you can really feel yourself getting better at everything you do.

You're generally not supposed to be fighting multiple enemies at once.

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Axiom posted...

Not even close. It was boring empty and so riddled with bugs that it made Bethesda games seem flawless

Bull shit. I've been playing for several days and I've only encountered a couple of notable bugs. Nowhere near as buggy as Bethesda crap.

Goatsensation posted...

I didn't play it because of their political leanings. Sounds like a real clusterfuck

This is idiotic.

MaxEffingBemis posted...

The game wasnt overlooked when it came out - it was a big fucking mess which was widely publicized. Thats why not a lot of people played it. Im assuming they cleaned it up a lot with patches

You mean the controversy over no black people being in medieval bohemia? And seriously most open world games are a buggy mess especially at launch.

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Lost_All_Senses posted...

The first time you enter the woods it's like "Holy shit, these are gonna be amazing to explore. It looks so good". Then after 10 minutes of exploring you realize that there's nothing to actually see.

But i still got 30 hours in. It was alright. I could never get use to combat which kind of wore on me.

What's supposed to be in the woods? It's not a fantasy game so theres not gonna be monsters. Theres animals to hunt and enemy camps. And the combat is brilliant tbh.

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Shotgunnova posted...

I heard many bad things about it initially, but after playing it, I really ended up enjoying it. Hell, it's one of the few games I played three times in a row in the last several generations. It's just a shame about the glitches, load times, and easily broken difficulty. But, hey -- the DLC is mostly enjoyable across the board and you really come to love those characters. Even playing friggin' farkle is fun...if you get cheating dice.

The load times are annoying yeah, but tbf glitches and easily broken difficulty are the norm for open world games. I dont think this game is as bad as Witcher 3 or Skyrim when it comes to that stuff.

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Irony posted...

Nah

You make some interesting and well thought out points but I'm gonna have to agree to disagree with you on this.

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No spoilers I havent beaten it yet, but I've been really digging this game even though I didnt expect much. I only checked it out because I heard it has the best combat in an open world game, and honestly I can believe it. It's even better than Fromsoft combat. Also the focus on realism surprisingly results in the villages and castles being more interesting. Like the world is just beautiful in this game.

It's so weird to me this games seems largely over looked compared to other popular open world games. This is way superior to the Witcher 3 and it's actually pretty challenging and immersive. Like I've been addicted and I needed to gush. Easily in my top 5 games of the previous decade.

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Tbf its Paris based and they are more lenient with their kids content over there.

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Played some of the first two but the shallow combat and quick time events made it a slog.

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Smashingpmkns posted...

I don't even know who that is

I mean its probably for the better you dont.

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Esrac posted...

What are you, pro-Buck Breaking?

I still cant get over the while concept and the fact people believe this crap XD When I learned what the film was about I literally stopped and had a moment.

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Like he released that crap during pride month. It got memed a bit but I havent seen any significant backlash despite the extremely ignorant bigotry perpetuated by the film. I've seen much smaller people get trending backlash for much less.

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I'll keep all this in mind.

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ButteryMales posted...

Apparently Fallout 76 is still going. They could probably make Cyberpunk decent.

Tbf people hyped up the game hoping it to be more than just decent. I just dont know why anyone would care at this point.

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Mr_Karate_II posted...

That one isn't that bad really and you're missing out on a lot of fun stuff after that point. Plus the story is great after that.

San Andreas is one of the two best GTA games with the other being Vice City. Rockstar made two great games back to back with those two.

I thought that mission was awful. Like more so because it's just not fun in anyway at all, and I dont get how they thought that was fun. It's just tedius but they still added it as a side activity afterwards lol.

I liked Vice City a lot, but that one felt like it got going much more quickly. A few quick and simple missions at the start but once I got the part where you chase a guy on a golf cart it had me hooked.


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Tbf it feels true more often than not >.>

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Capital G gamers? Lmao

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...but seriously when would you say the missions start getting fun? I always get to the one where you have to slowly sneak in some guys house and steal boxes and it's so unfun it pisses me off and I just stop playing soon after.

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They're crazy people just like flat earthers and what ever you call Tariq Nasheed and his Buck Breaking friends. Just nutty conspiracy theorist who want to feel special and superior to the average person.

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Yeah it never made much sense how much people hyped this game up or hyped up CDPR as a company over one game which tbh wasnt the masterpiece it's made out to be either.

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Also Fat Albert had some heavy episodes as well. Also British shows like Tugs and Animals of farthing wood.

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The final episode of Jem and the Holograms had them trying to find an orphan's father. A guy pretending to be him kidnaps so he can sell her off in human trafficking, while the real dad chases them to save her but is having Vietnam flashbacks along the way.

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evil_cricket posted...

Eh, it just boils down to opinions. A large part is that the physics engines in GTA are infinitely better, imo. That goes for everything from driving to shooting. Even with the occasional 'boring' mission, overall it's a more enjoyable game to me.

Fair enough I agree with vehicle physics. I dont recall gta having decent shooting physics though.

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Conflict posted...

And there's also that Ronin mission where Gat just beats the shit out of Shogo for ordering Aisha's murder. I haven't played the game in 12 years and these moments still stick out to me

Yeah that ones stuck with me too.

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evil_cricket posted...

I think Saints Row is a fun alternative, but GTA outclasses it in pretty much everything. I dislike the driving in the entire SR series. Forced side missions SR 2 are pretty annoying. Wouldn't mind its character creation in GTA, though.

I dont see how gta outclasses it in everything. GTA tends to have a lot of boring missions while I didnt dislike any if them in SR2.

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Lairen posted...

I dont think gta3 and Vice city aged well. Sure at the time they were ground breaking but now.......

I played Vice City a few months ago and while its janky as fuck, it's still a lot of fun and is trimmed of the more boring stuff that tends to plague GTA imo.

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