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MedeaLysistrata posted...

I'm getting at the fact that there is no way for the other person to get anything out of what you propose to offer

Yes, there is. Getting laid. Believe it or not, there 100% exists plenty of people who just want to get laid. They just don't have that option.


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MedeaLysistrata posted...

Look it up I guess, probably not first definition.

No, we're talking. Just tell me what you mean.

I just get the sense this argument is just someone really wanting sex work to be normalized. Which is fine, but I don't see why you need to dress it up in this dumbass gossip topic... But gossip sure is fun I guess.

Ah, so you're being defensive because you're making baseless assumptions about my intentions. Got it.

Also I'm convinced once it gets to that point people just like hearing incels guess about what their issues are, like I said. You say you have no sympathy for this but you have the energy to make the topic and engage people

Yes, I can talk about people I have little sympathy for. It's not difficult.


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ThePrinceFish posted...

I can understand advising someone who is starved for human companionship to lower their standards in what they may be looking for in a partner. I cannot understand people whose advice to such people is to simply pay for sex. Talk about missing the point.

Reading comprehension is important.

"It's hard to garner much sympathy for people who are frustrated about being virgins, yet consider themselves too good to pay for p****."

Notice that the bolded does NOT say "starved for human companionship", which is a lot broader in meaning.

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Gafemage posted...

Yeah man making monetary exchanges for sex with someone who's probably being trafficked

You're ignorant. Not every sex worker/escort is a victim being exploited. Educate yourself.

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

And if you can't play the matchmaker role so easily are you so attractive yourself?

You're asking weird questions that come off as passive-aggressive. Who said I'm trying to play matchmaker? What are you really getting at here?

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

Why would you entertain someone who doesn't get any attention from women?

What do you mean by "entertain"?

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Noumas posted...

Wait how is my **** gonna get wet if I'm forced to wear a condom to avoid catching all the stds and hiv that the prostitute is riddled with

Well for starters, you should be wearing a condom anyway unless you're trying to have kids or willing to run the risk of an STD. Secondly, not all prostitutes are desperate street walkers like you probably have imagined. Reach out to a classy escort, or a dominatrix depending on how kinky you are. They usually conduct themselves professionally, with websites and everything.

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

Why don't you just introduce them to a lady who you know it will work out with? Or do you just want to listen to someone fumble around what their issues are

Well, then my question becomes: "Why are you assuming I know someone who would want to have sex with you?"

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Guide posted...

A lot of the people complaining about the lack of sex aren't primarily concerned with the sex, whether or not they realize it themselves.

There's nothing wrong with wanting meaningful intimacy, but if you can't get laid with your looks/personality/status yet consider it beneath you to pay for lay, then what are your options? Try to make yourself more desirable, but if it isn't working and you want to at least experience the physicality of sex, then be realistic about your options.

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LeadPipeCinche posted...

Whys TC picking on Vegy?
He posted a picture of your sister didn't he.

I'm confused. TC isn't picking on anyone. I should know -- I'm TC.

And Craigslist doesn't have a hook up thing anymore.

Ah, a man of culture I see.


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KogaSteelfang posted...

It would certainly be a blow to the self esteem. To people with this problem, self esteem is a major problem already.

Losing a meaningless label, and replacing it with the fact that you've only managed any intimacy by exploiting someone in exchange for money. Not exactly something to be proud of.

Life is about perspective. If you're already framing the situation as "exploitation", then you've already lost.

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DarthAragorn posted...

this line of thinking never ceases to be dumb as fuck

Elab.

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

I don't wanna know... Well actually I do

What would you say to someone who is mad that they have to pay and there is no other option?

I would ask why there is no other option, and what efforts they're making to fix the problem.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

A woman fucking me only because I'm paying her to always just seemed very unsexy to me personally. I feel the same way about strip clubs.

But hey, you do you

Once the money is provided, you're left with an attractive women who will play with your penis. You'll be fine lol

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KogaSteelfang posted...

For a lot of us, it isn't about the sex entirely. It's about being wanted. Prostitution doesn't fix any of the underlying issues, or make them more worth dating(likely the opposite actually).

It'd be no different than paying someone to pretend to be your friend when you're lonely. It's not real, it fixes nothing, and would likely just make you feel worse after.

The difficulty of getting someone to like you enough that they want to have sex with you is going to vary considerably from person to person, for a multitude of reasons. But if you've reached the point of becoming sexually frustrated, then it may be time to expand your horizon because having sex is a healthy part of the human experience and it doesn't necessarily have to involve affection. You can treat yourself to the experience of sex while still making efforts to increase your chances of being wanted, eventually getting laid the "natural" way. Why make it an uphill battle for yourself by demanding both simultaneously, if the odds are already stacked against you?

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I don't care that she's 30 and wants some young ass. I care that she's a certified gold-digger and will definitely use her influence to manipulate young, inexperienced men.

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Scintillant posted...

Paying for sex is awesome, no different from going out to eat when you don't want to cook

It should be just as normalized. Some people just aren't gonna have the looks, personality, and/or status to get laid at their leisure, but IMO that doesn't mean they should be fucked (no pun intended).

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Scotty_Rogers posted...

Just because you're fine with paying for it doesn't mean others are.

I mean, if you're jobless and strapped for cash but refuse to work at Whole Foods (despite it seemingly being the only place willing to hire you) because you have a prestigious degree, then that's your prerogative lol

monkmith posted...

this is a weird topic.

Meh, I guess lol

nfearurspecimn posted...

Paying for it means there's no mutual attraction and that's a big deal for some people.

I get that. I'm just suggesting that perhaps it's time to loosen those standards if it seems you otherwise can't get laid to save your life.


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people who are frustrated about being virgins, yet consider themselves too good to pay for pussy.

Like bruh, is your pride really worth only getting your dick wet when you shower? Beggars can't always be choosers; either get it how you can or don't get it at all. Obviously it's more "dignified" to have someone give you play because they're genuinely into you, but at some point you should just treat yourself to the experience so you can at least know what it feels like. You're not gonna be any good at it anyway, whereas the paid and far more experienced provider will almost certainly rock your world. In a way, she's saving you from disappointing the person you actually DO want a connection with!

And besides, you can always continue to work on getting it organically afterwards. Nothing's ever stopping you from making efforts to increase your attractiveness.

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Well, better to be R. Kelly'd by life than chocolate rained upon.

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E_S_M_Z posted...

My literal first thought when reading this was "DQXI's music sucked."
Then I thought "Wait, that's super rude, I should be sympathetic."

Then I read this topic and feel I can safely go back to my first thought.

Okay, this made me laugh lol

But dang, if what you guys are saying is true and not just typical reactionary CE bullshit, then it sucks that this guy had such a rotten soul.

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What? Who says that?

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It's nice to see that most people here seem to hold ol' Billy Burr in high regard. He's been one of my favorite comedians for roughly half a decade now.

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Scintillant posted...

I clarified what I meant and you're still doing this and exaggerating so yeah I don't really understand the point.

Your reasoning was always flawed, because it's silly to make general statements like "XYZ isn't funny" if you're only basing that assessment on a handful of jokes that the media is making a fuss over. To later assert that he's relying on these specific jokes to stay relevant directly implies that it's his bread & butter, as opposed to the fact that people simply think he's an overall funny guy.

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Scintillant posted...

Nothing you wrote was logical.

"The problem with Dave Chappelle isn't that he's controversial; it's that he's unfunny. I mean, he's so desperate that he has to cling to mocking trans people just to stay relevant -- what a hack! Also, I've only seen the jokes that people are bitching about; all his other jokes, which MIGHT be funny, are unknown to me."

Yeah, real reasonable stuff there.


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Scintillant posted...

I knew you wouldn't understand. Some people can't be helped I guess.

And I knew you would give a nothing-burger response because there's no trumping pure logic.

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Scintillant posted...

I (the person posting this topic) do not care that people are trying to cancel Dave Chapelle (topic title). While I do not watch Dave Chapelle regularly, I have seen the jokes that people want to cancel him for (as discussed in this topic). Whether or not people want to cancel him for these jokes is up to them (again, essentially what I wrote in the topic title), but my problem with these jokes isn't that they are offensive, but rather that they are not funny at all (my first post in this topic).

You didn't say that his trans jokes are unfunny; you said HE'S unfunny, so much so that he's apparently "clinging to relevancy" by making trans jokes. Your reasoning is fallacious because Dave's comedy isn't comprised of just trans jokes, nor are they necessarily what keeps his relevancy afloat. Those jokes just happen to be the most controversial. If a comedian does a 45-minute set and 8 of those minutes are jokes that you don't find funny, does it mean that the comedian isn't funny just because those jokes get the most attention?

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Scintillant posted...

Because I've seen the jokes people want to cancel him for and they aren't funny?

So basically, Dave Chappelle isn't funny because a handful of specific jokes didn't land? What a weird rating system you have. That's like saying a video game with 27 levels is trash because five of those levels are duds. Make it make sense.

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Scotty_Rogers posted...

What kind of arbitrary ass metric is this? Why not 1 to 5? Or 1 to 10?

Topiclist

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Scintillant posted...

Yeah I've watched 10 minutes of Game of Thrones so I've watched Game of Thrones.

I don't get it. You first suggested that you've watched enough of his stuff to have an informed opinion, but now that it's convenient, you're suggesting otherwise.

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Just wondering where you guys stand on the guy!

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Scintillant posted...

I've seen clips?

So you have watched his stuff.

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Scintillant posted...

Why? It's pathetic how he's trying to cling to relevancy by attempting to stir the pot instead of actually being funny.

Well, if you don't watch his stuff, then how can you be sure that he's not doing both?

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Both do. Your beliefs influence your behaviors. But yes, behavior matters most.

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EmbraceOfDeath posted...

Gee, I dunno, maybe because people are spamming the board with them?

On a board where topics are made every 14 seconds, I don't think it's that big of a deal. The popular ones will survive and the ones with no traction will be off the first page in a matter of minutes.

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SSJPurple posted...

Idk something about trans women having imitation vaginas and people being upset

That's what's setting people off? What about all the other edgy jokes he made?

Background_Guy posted...

They ain't even trying to hide how much they hate lgbt people. Much like Dave himself.

I don't think Dave hates the LGBT community. I just think he's not afraid to crack jokes at their expense, just like he does everyone else.

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He's okay. Grossly overrated, IMO, but enjoyable enough if I'm in the right mood.

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I wonder why.

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Easy prey.

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Geno4LoveGeno4L posted...

I am a bit tired to see 28 years old adults grooming 21 years old CHILD :(

Grooming is bad, but 21 is no child.

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gunplagirl posted...

I'm looking around for where I said his other comedy routines are funny

So basically Dave Chappelle's style just isn't your thing, but despite that he's been edgy his whole career, you only want him cancelled because his more recent jokes hit too close to home. NOW we should all stop supporting him, and are enablers who should be ashamed of ourselves if we don't. So basically...

ThePhantomMedic posted...

Its all fun and games til youre the one being targeted.

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gunplagirl posted...

And that's not what's happening here, the issue is how you state they're different. Referring to a trans man's post op penis as "phoney balogna" is fucking offensive if it's coming from the mouth of anyone but him. It demeans the struggle to get there.

I mean, I get why the joke doesn't gel with you. I just can't help but wonder why his trans jokes in particular stand out as so egregious compared to everything else he says. It's Dave Chappelle. He's extremely edgy. Shock humor has always been part of his bread & butter. The first five minutes of the special features a joke about him enjoying his child molestation from a priest. He uses the N-word with the hard R, and doesn't mind that white people laugh. Why is the trans stuff suddenly when he crosses the line? It looks suspiciously selective.

Now is the part where anyone capable of introspection would shut up now and admit that they're wrong for defending a self admitted transphobe and do better in the future.

Nah, take this attitude to either Tumblr or Twitter lol

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gunplagirl posted...

You're assuming the chromosomal makeup of all trans people.

I'm not. I'm saying that the vast majority of people are born either male or female. If a person transitions, their biological makeup will still be different than that of someone who's naturally a certain sex. And that's okay. We don't have to pretend that's not the case to respect trans people.

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EmetSelch posted...

I really don't think it's that complicated. Some people are born with vaginas and some people aren't. There's intersex people but that is rare and I don't think they consider themselves to be trans either. There is always going to be a difference between a "naturally occurring" vagina and a surgically created one. Trying to gloss over that is disingenuous.

Not to say one type is better than the other of course. They're just different. It shouldn't be a jaw dropping thing for someone to make a joke about that. :v

Yeah, this whole post is essentially what I've been trying to say.

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gunplagirl posted...

"I didn't say this fucked up thing with hate in my heart" is fucking stupid and has been used for decades to justify saying all kinds of bigoted stuff, repeatedly, thus proving it was actually exactly how they felt the entire time in their heart.

Can you prove that's what's happening here?

"Biological women" isn't a scientific term, have you ever had your phenotype and genotype tested? Have you tested that of every trans person? No. You're making a shit ton of assumptions and stating them as though they're 100% universal truths and that's as unscientific as you can get.

No, I am not. There is a biological difference between a person who's been female since birth, and a person who used to be male but transitioned. Why this reality ruffles so many feathers, I don't know.

And they aren't transwomen. It's two words. Trans women. Women who are also trans. The opposite is cis or cisgender. Cis women.

You're being pedantic.


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EmetSelch posted...

Yea, this part I don't get at all. Is everyone supposed to pretend that natural vaginas and trans vaginas are completely the same? That they don't have traits that set them apart from each other? :v

I think some people want to view biological women and transwomen as the exact same, and that's neither accurate nor fair. Dave's joke simply acknowledged that there is in fact a difference, and he did it in the same relentless offcolor way as he cracks all his other jokes.

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CyricZ posted...

Yeah real bummer that you think there's this thing wrong with trans people.

What did I say was wrong with them? Be specific.

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gunplagirl posted...

How does suggesting that trans people's genitals are fake demean an entire group of people?

Because it's a joke that plays on the reality that there's a difference between natural vaginas and trans vaginas? It's increasingly obvious that much of the chagrin people seem to have with Dave is based on their own refusal to be honest with themselves.


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gunplagirl posted...

Haha yeah demeaning an entire group of people is okay as long as you say it's a joke,

How does that joke demean an entire group of people?


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I get why some may be offended, but I also get the reasoning that they shouldnt be. I dont really have a horse in this race, because I try to look at everything from every angle and I see where both sides are coming from. Dave, IMO, is just doing the same thing hes done since day one. Hes an edgy comedian who makes fun of everyone. Hes not promoting anti-trans rhetoric; hes just willing to poke fun at them, in the same way he pokes fun at everyone else.

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