Lurker > Drrobotniks

Please feel free to ignore gunpla, she's a raging misandrist, and has said so many awful things it's unreal.

Dreepapult posted...

Until they announce the next booster. And then the next one. And then the next one. And then the next one.

Goddamn right I will, just like I get my flu shot every fucking year

Again, it's not hard to get the shot

Dreepapult posted...

You'll never be fully vaccinated

Already am and fully boostered, it really isnt that hard to get the shot

Dreepapult posted...

Keep drinking the Kool aid. I'm sure they'll stop doing ludicrous bullshit any day now. Just 2 more weeks.

"Kool aid"

Shut the actual fucking fuck up, covid is not a joke and fuck these people for not getting a simple jab for their country

thronedfire2 posted...

the consequence is they get kicked out of the army and dont get a pension, you dont need to ruin their job prospects forever too

Well then I guess they get the shot then, that's the consequence and if they still dont get the jab, that's on them

Dreepapult posted...

Y'all really just stick to the script huh? Should we just start lining up people that didn't take the shot and shoot them? Holy fuck.

It's almost as if actions have consequences. Holy fuck!

But people like you don't understand that

Femputer posted...

I go there like once a year lol and I don't post

you've responded to posts though for sure

Kakapo posted...

Urgh, youre fucking kidding me.

I remember when he was pissing all over the ANZ board

this, and then you had people like deathdeath defending him cause he was nice to them

unbelieveable

Dude dont address him, dont respond to him, it's not worth it in the slightest, say your piece and ignore him

spikethedevil posted...

RE1 was meant as a one off hence the issues. Claire A Leon B is canon but you will argue otherwise because your gimmick demands it so I will leave it at that. Sherry is the big factor that proves it as without Claire A she never gets infected.

Wow I never knew that, that's really cool they had a set path like that going on, neato

spikethedevil posted...

Canon route is Claire A then Leon B.

I've heard that, but I've also heard that some games canon follow Leon A, Claire B

pegusus123456 posted...

You're fundamentally missing my point, so I don't know how much more we can talk about this lol.

I'd say you're missing mine, but fair enough, good talk lol

pegusus123456 posted...

I know what you meant. What I meant is that we fundamentally disagree that the difficulty increasing is a punishment and difficulty going down is a reward. You say it's good design for the difficulty to be consistent. If it's done well, I'd argue this is more consistent since it's matching the difficulty to the player. The numbers might change, but the experience of playing it would be more consistent.

I wouldnty say that thats consistent, if enemy health goes from 1000 normally to 800 or whatever, thats making it esy and giving the player an easier time, when in reality, it should stay at 1000 always, it should always be the same no matter what to encourage players to play a bit better and overcome that challenge, making it easier is like saying "well you failed, so we'll make it easier and reward you", it's like no, good design would be keeping it consistent and actually rewarding the players for getting through it

just my two cents ofc

pegusus123456 posted...

I think the fundamental disagreement I have with you is that the game being more difficult is a punishment.

No I know games are supposed to get kinda harder as you go through, thats like with any game of course

I mean in short instances like what happens in this game, get a few headshots and suddenly enemy health increases, and then if you miss a bit that health goes way down to compensate, therefore rewarding you for playing bad

Good design would be making a consistent, clear difficulty the entire game, consistently normal or hard, is what I'm trying to get at

UnfairRepresent posted...

doesn't punish you tho.

if enemy health gets higher because of you scoring headshots and playing well, then you are being punished for that until you start missing, then the game rewards you by making enemies easier. So you are punished for playing well, and rewarded for playing awful, that's the exact opposite of fantastic game design, if I want a normal challenge, then keep it normal throughout the game. if i want hard, then keep it hard throughout. That's actually good game design, not punishing the player for playing well

This will be my last comment on the matter since you love using disingenuous forms of debate

UnfairRepresent posted...

it's super well done game design

Punishing players for playing well isn't super well done game design

WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...

Covid is literally always going to be around

no its not

Teh_Dr_Phil posted...

Reminder that OP is an EMT who has talked about the boobs of women to which he was giving medical treatment.

proof?

g0ldie posted...

I feel like, if someone doesn't understand what you mean by "character assassination", you should at least tell them what you mean

I'll copy paste the thing i said about Ellie then

Ellie in the first game was a great and lovable character, one of the reasons why people loved the first game so much was because it was their goal to keep her safe, and her developing over time was a satisfying goal to experience, she was funny, witty, a smart allec with a smart mouth, curious, upbeat and she was just as human as joel when it came to moments of fear and weakness.

She had a fun and likeable personality that made you want to spend time with her. But in this game, you just feel areally uncomfortable around her. All of her personality has been stripped away, turning her into a revenge obssessed idiot. she no lie acts like a really bad edgelord throughout the entirety of the game, and if you want to say that this is a reasonable reaction to watching a loved one get murdered, that doesnt justify ellie's chracter being so unlikeable, It's one thing to want to avenge joel's death, but she just goes on a blind, murderous rampage.

Every scene with ellie in this game with her extremely aggressive behavior, every dialogue that comes out of her mouth sounds like she's psychotic. None of the stuff Joel did that was shown in the first game came near to what Ellie does in this game. horrifiyng or not. And despite being the hero we're supposed to sympathize with, the devs take every route they can think of to make her look really evil. Abandoning Dina and her baby? Check, threatening people that had nothing to do with Joel's death? check.

And to top it all off, She kills a pregnant woman, and the game never bothers to focus on that except for making her feel horrified in that singular moment. *That* shouldve been the moment Ellie realizes that revenge isn't worth it, because she ended up killing an unborn baby in blind rage. If they wanted to make Ellie sympathetic, then make THAT moment make ellie realize that revenge turns you into a monster. Not the half assed excuse for an ending that happns in game.

Even outside of the whole grimdark revenge stuff, the way ellie is characterized throughout the game just feels wrong. In the intro she turns down a very genuine apology from someone who was humbly admitting that they were acting inappropriate, but she doesn't forgive him, and calls him a bigot. Her attitude comes off as entitled and unappreciative.

And throughout the game she does nothing but mope and complain, and they made her really really dumb for some reason. When talking to Tommy about going after abby, he brings up some very good points as to why she shouldn't charge off alone. And she's just like "whatever", and in her first fight with abby, the way that you beat her is to catch her from behind enough times to subdue her. Not only is that lazy, but it's really out of character for Ellie. I just find her boring too.

The Ellie we grew to like in the first game was nothing like this. She was just so much more interesting there because her character was given more to work with. She was just as flawed as joel which gave players something to relate to. Like in Left Behind, we see how close her and Riley were, and how their interactions were amazing. Even after Riley's death, Ellie was never shown to be emo or grimdark or anything like how she is now

In this game, I cant name a single good quality about Ellie either, and thats the problem with her character in this game--It has no substance. She's nothing more than a revenge obsessed freak in a game where every other character is a revenge obsessed freak. This is what I meant by character assasination

SalazarCrane posted...

Yes. Everyone was as they were in the first game.

i can tell you havent played the game

or just trolling

either one

I dislike it mostly cause of the unnecessary character assasination, the retcons, and the lying advertising

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hes not wrong though

TheGoldenEel posted...

Or they can just ghost and not deal with a potential freakout

or you can be an adult and treat others the way you want to be treated

TheGoldenEel posted...

https://www.cdc.gov/injury/features/prevent-stalking/index.html

it is way more common for women to experience behaviors like this so it makes sense that they would be more cautious

I see what you're going for, but again, more common =/= exclusive to them, again, anyone takes that risk when meeting anyone

TheGoldenEel posted...

https://www.who.int/en/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/violence-against-women

all that, and still nothing about it being gender exclusive, huh

TheGoldenEel posted...

lol shut the fuck up

How about you shut the fuck up and address my post?

You can be murdered meeting anybody, literally anybody, it's not gender exclusive.

TheGoldenEel posted...

Yeah except when your job gets mad they dont murder you

you face this risk when talking to anybody, literally anybody

CyricZ posted...

You are correct. They are on my ignore list. That's my mistake as I tend to interchange those in my head.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/9/9/AAaY5aAACu1D.png

CyricZ posted...

To answer whatever question that was, yes you are on my block list.

if they were, then they wouldnt have been able to post lol

Glob posted...

you're mostly just talking s***.

not really

AngelicRadiance posted...

*somebody @'s joe*
*joe responds*
CE: Why're you making this all about you!?

that rarely happens

I haven't forgotten you goldie ill respond to you in a bit

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Its not that people idolize Joel for being good or a hero, they idolize him because we can relate to him. We see him grow meaningfully and get a second chance at a daughter since he's a mourning father, his choice with the surgeon at the end is supposed to be ambiguous, would you yourself sacrifice your daughter for a not guaranteed chance of a cure, possible giving humanity a second chance? Does humanity deserve a second chance?

Anyway Spike I hoped my novel was enough to explain why I felt the way I do, dont want people thinking I'm just talking smack without good reason, I loved the first LOU, i thought it was fantastic personally

g0ldie posted...

and Ellie does get her closure with Joel, it's just not in a linear manner. whatever caused the "lightbulb moment" to trigger for her, which led to her sparing Abby helped put Ellie on a course that not just helped her forgive Joel, but herself as well.

If this is truly the reason Goldie, then its even more awful writing than I realized, after all the blood of humans and dogs Ellie spilled, killing dozens of people, including unborn ones, she finally manages, and coincidentally stops at the one who actually murdered her father figure? Especially with how Joel was in the first game? Nah, if anything, he'd encourage her to go ahead and finish the job if he were to see the massacre she's already done

spikethedevil posted...

You still havent explained how.

Ellie in the first game was a great and lovable character, one of the reasons why people loved the first game so much was because it was their goal to keep her safe, and her developing over time was a satisfying goal to experience, she was funny, witty, a smart allec with a smart mouth, curious, upbeat and she was just as human as joel when it came to moments of fear and weakness.

She had a fun and likeable personality that made you want to spend time with her. But in this game, you just feel areally uncomfortable around her. All of her personality has been stripped away, turning her into a revenge obssessed idiot. she no lie acts like a really bad edgelord throughout the entirety of the game, and if you want to say that this is a reasonable reaction to watching a loved one get murdered, that doesnt justify ellie's chracter being so unlikeable, It's one thing to want to avenge joel's death, but she just goes on a blind, murderous rampage.

Every scene with ellie in this game with her extremely aggressive behavior, every dialogue that comes out of her mouth sounds like she's psychotic. None of the stuff Joel did that was shown in the first game came near to what Ellie does in this game. horrifiyng or not. And despite being the hero we're supposed to sympathize with, the devs take every route they can think of to make her look really evil. Abandoning Dina and her baby? Check, threatening people that had nothing to do with Joel's death? check.

And to top it all off, She kills a pregnant woman, and the game never bothers to focus on that except for making her feel horrified in that singular moment. *That* shouldve been the moment Ellie realizes that revenge isn't worth it, because she ended up killing an unborn baby in blind rage. If they wanted to make Ellie sympathetic, then make THAT moment make ellie realize that revenge turns you into a monster. Not the half assed excuse for an ending that happns in game.

Even outside of the whole grimdark revenge stuff, the way ellie is characterized throughout the game just feels wrong. In the intro she turns down a very genuine apology from someone who was humbly admitting that they were acting inappropriate, but she doesn't forgive him, and calls him a bigot. Her attitude comes off as entitled and unappreciative.

And throughout the game she does nothing but mope and complain, and they made her really really dumb for some reason. When talking to Tommy about going after abby, he brings up some very good points as to why she shouldn't charge off alone. And she's just like "whatever", and in her first fight with abby, the way that you beat her is to catch her from behind enough times to subdue her. Not only is that lazy, but it's really out of character for Ellie. I just find her boring too.

The Ellie we grew to like in the first game was nothing like this. She was just so much more interesting there because her character was given more to work with. She was just as flawed as joel which gave players something to relate to. Like in Left Behind, we see how close her and Riley were, and how their interactions were amazing. Even after Riley's death, Ellie was never shown to be emo or grimdark or anything like how she is now

In this game, I cant name a single good quality about Ellie either, and thats the problem with her character in this game--It has no substance. She's nothing more than a revenge obsessed freak in a game where every other character is a revenge obsessed freak. This is what I meant by character assasination

The_Yahtz09 posted...

Abby paid a heavy price for her revenge as well (pretty much all of her friends)

The friends thing falls in line with what another user said, about Abby having no good qualities so that doesnt matter,

But when i say Abby gets everything and wins, I mean she gets to save and walk away with a friend, she gets to have her revenge, while ellie loses everything (alone and miserable), and 2 of her fingers rare gone, she doesnt even get to avenge her father figure (which is a whole other bad writing can of worms after causing gallons of dog and human blood to spill, suddenly this isnt ok), she never gets her closure with joel, and gets nothing, and has nothing to be happy about while the absolute sadist psychopath gets everything, even though her reasoning for revenge is poorly written

The_Yahtz09 posted...

What you took away from the game was Abby ends up having everything?

Revenge bad for ellie, but not for Abby, even though her reason for revenge was very poorly written, still has Lev and a home to go back to, Ellie has no one, her basically uncle is alone and miserable, missing fingers so she cant do the thing she loved and reminded her of Joel

Awful, awful writing

Oh and your reward for beating the game, sinking hours into it and paying 60 bucks for it?

Ellie's worst fears come to life, all alone, left with nothing to care for, and all of that, for no reason, cause that's what we want to see what happens to our favorite characters, a lesson of revenge is bad but with ellie being left with nothing, and Abby having everything

Unreal

spikethedevil posted...

Youre also not playing an innocent.

Right, because Neil character assasinated Ellie so much that its embarrassing and insulting to og ellie fans

spikethedevil posted...

The dogs attack you in LOU2 as well so.

But they arent trained to kill innocents unlike cod and wolfenstein

The_Yahtz09 posted...

No, its pretty much the same as COD. The dogs are trained killers here.

No they arent, they're legit just scouting the area, they arent trained to murder innocent people unlike cod

ThyCorndog posted...

Sounds like reaching

it really isnt, other games do it better

ThyCorndog posted...

Like every game out there has you kill dogs, why is it a special case here?

because other games do it better

Like in wolfenstein, the dogs are actual nazis who are fully trained to kill innocent people and eat their flesh

in COD you have less choice because they're also trained to kill

here, they're just dogs scouting and looking out for their owners

DrizztLink posted...

But that only has relevance towards the mod's treatment towards her.

Letting others run roughshod over her without punishment makes it less of a ToS and more of a protection racket.

I guess this could technically tie into it as well?

By stating she doesnt care about the rules, the mods give her less leeway so to speak, due to constant bannings

DrizztLink posted...

Like, her being modded more harshly is one thing but her history shouldn't have bearing on other peoples' treatment by the mod.

in hindsight, it makes sense

Like, if you're banned 3 times you clearly have no respect for the tos, or mods, and so therefore, why should the mods or rules be decent towards you if you're willing to break them nonstop? By being banned thrice you're telling the mods and rules "I dont care about how you think I should behave", and therefore the mods are giving her the same treatment, it ties into the Golden Rule really

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No, no she doesn't, she far too often tries to make threads about herself even if they're about something unrelated

Glob posted...

Which lies? So far, you've pointed out none.

I've pointed out a lot actually

g0ldie posted...

I meant, how were we lied to

The way naughty dog advertised this game was dishonest, they actively lied to people about what the game was going to be about. Joel playing an important part of the story was a lie, expanding on the relationship of him and ellie was a lie. Abby not being the new protagonist? Was a lie, Dinah not being the one who died in the prologue? Was a lie, and to make up such lies about Joel's presence in the game and how the plot revolves around his death feels really dirty. They had to have known the og plot was going to piss people off, why else would they have tried to hide it? Its not that Joel died, its how he died, and how he's treated as a plot device

This is just one gripe, ill address the rest of your points as soon as I find the write up I had jotted down when the game first came out