Lurker > NoMeLx22x

Just take Hasan as a decent tool to get people into leftist politics, but remember when it actually comes to discussing deep nuance to some ideas that he can be a bit of an uber reactionary himself.

He's an entertainer before you should take his politics as gospel.

The people who just call him a grifter though are the real lazy ones.

JimRob posted...

You should be paid billions of dollars then, right???

Lmfao

What a gross misrepresentation of an argument.

Is there any mods on PC that makes settlement building easier or more streamlined? Like i enjoyed it a bit and then completely stopped playing.

However i would like to give it another chance someday and especially now that i have a good PC to run it on, but i feel like i take wayyyy to much time with settlement building and would rather have some mods that make it a bit faster but still can be really detailed with it as well. And just easier to understand cause to me getting lights and other things working sometimes was confusing as fuck.

The gameplay and stuff was always fun, didnt feel very much like a regular fallout, but still had enough there that it was fun and enjoyable.

Theres a literal roadtrip game kinda that game out last year called Road 96.

I think it has some politcal backstory and stuff like that but its mostly conversation choices that make up your own personal story.

Oh shit this is happening lately to other people?

I just got a new phone and its been happening a bit on there, but i just figured it was the new phone. However i have YouTube vanced and its been fine on there, its just when im watching links to the real youtube that this happens.

AmericaTheBrave posted...

If the story takes place in a fantasy world based on Medieval Europe, seeing anyone other than white people takes me out of it, unless a character is specifically from a foreign place. That used to be the way you could sneak in POC in fantasy settings (see Game of Thrones).

AmericaTheBrave posted...

Are you one of those types that argue Shakespeare was a black man?

This is up there for worst consecutive posts by a user of all time.

No caffeine for me ever. Just tried cutting it out years ago and have felt a bit better since.

This isn't even a debate in the slightest.

Sexypwnstar posted...

Stop this conspiracy theorist racist bullshit

The fuck are you talking about? Before covid there was a tiny segment of anti vax people. That's a fact.

Dang they're just outright stating the hospital is killing people now. Wild.

bigblu89 posted...

Did you not read the rest of my post where I literally said about Rogan:

I'm talking specifically about Chapelle or literally any other situation.

bigblu89 posted...

Like Chapelle said on one of this standups (not the most recent one that got him heat) "You put on Netflix and clicked on my face. No one is forcing you to hear this."

This is irrelevant. You don't have to watch the special to be exposed to what he's saying, there's numerous clips/channels/tweets/articles covering it no matter what side of the aisle you fall on. Even just a casual scroll on twitter can lead to you seeing a name/controversy in the trending category and can lead to you discovering the situation.

Someone likes racing games

daftpunk_mk5 posted...

as a liberterian

Lol

averagejoel posted...

I didn't see any apology. saying the n word, particularly as many times as he's said it (apparently it's over 70 on his podcast), is really weird and suspect, but it's far from the worst thing he's done

people don't "turn" super reactionary because of backlash. and even if they did, the rest of your point isn't applicable here. he did do many things wrong.

what has he done to attempt to atone for it? is he going to stop being credulous to eugenicists and anti-vaxxers? is he going to stop having them on his podcast?

Ok, first id at least try to watch his apology. Second, a lot of the N word usage was him using it in a discussion format and not just saying it in a joking way or mocking somebody. I still feel like that is wrong, but I'm not gonna accuse someone of being overtly racist for saying the N word while discussing it with other black people or quoting it from a joke that someone performed. I, personally, would never do it now, but i used to, and through self reflection and discussion with others recognize that it's really ignorant and have learned why, and how it can still be hurtful.

Secondly people absolutely can become more reactionary, and it's weird that you think that people can't. But whatever just agree to disagree there.

Thirdly, i hope that he stops platforming these people, i really do. And if he continues having them on, i hope he starts to pushback on some of the bull shit they spew, or do basically anything to argue. He said that he's going to start trying to have more people on that give all sides of an argument. And i think that at least that's a start i suppose. Idk, it remains to be seen what he'll do.

My question to you though is, and im asking this earnestly not condescendingly, what do you want done to Joe Rogan? Like what do you feel like the acceptable penance is for him?

averagejoel posted...

what did Joe Rogan actually apologize for?

He apologized for what he said and saying the N word and to any offense and harm that it may have caused people. What do you mean, did you not see his apology? I mean he blatantly says how shocking and ugly it sounds.

Look, im not saying that he didnt do any wrong, what im saying is in this day and age we have people that go through this and they basically just turn super reactionary and talk about how they're being "coerced to apologize for doing nothing wrong and the cancel culture mob is attacking me", etc.

In this instance we have someone who recognizes his wrong and is at least willing to try to atone for it, and if we just reject that notion and anyone elses notion to try to extend an olive branch, then what are we really trying to achieve?

MrMallard posted...

Someone says "People who claim to be victims of hate crimes are duplicitous, greedy villains who make life harder for you and me. We should do everything we can to expel these vermin because they're a plague on our species, and by doing that it would be for the betterment of our world".

What happens when we leave that up: people who agree with harassing the target of that statement direct other people to that statement and influence them to join their ranks, whose goal is to scapegoat the target of that rhetoric, harass them, post slander about them to ruin their reputation and hopefully become loud enough to begin affecting public policy that affects them and people like them.

What happens when we make a concerted effort to shut that down: the people making those statements have less influence due to being moderated, the message gets less exposure because it keeps getting removed, and potential new recruits can't be radicalized as easily because the statements are harder to access when they're forced underground.

Less people are exposed to extremist rhetoric, which means less people are at risk of being radicalized by said rhetoric, which means there's less of a network to spread the word, which means the influence of the rhetoric and the people pushing it are neutered. Whereas when you leave it up, the roots grow further and more people are at risk of falling down the rabbit hole into bigotry and political extremism.

This is the best way to explain it.

And while in the case of Rogan I may not agree with the extent it's going, it still fits.

I just feel that as a leftist/progressive/liberal whatever you want to call it, there comes a point where we have to recognize that people can actually change, and not letting them apologize or not recognizing that it's possible for people to open their world view and recognize the fault in the way that they acted.

If not, then what's the point? I know that 12 years ago i had some transphobic or racist views, and while they were mostly just making crude jokes or whatever, i now recognize how dumb and ignorant i was being and have completely changed. If you look at Rogan's apology, it does seem to me that he is sincere and recognizing that the shit in all of the clips is wrong, and if we continue to push and push instead of accepting his apology, then what is the point? How far do we want this to go?

I wish you the best of luck.

What app can you rewatch it on, if there is one?

Ar0ge posted...

Norway is awesome! Went to Bergen on vacation a couple of years ago.

The people there were pretty friendly if a little shy at first.

We had some good conversations with strangers about the US and shared some laughs about it's current state. This was when Trump was still president actually right before he ordered the flight ban from Europe so we were lucky we got back before then.

There were a lot of people living there from other countries on work visas too. Especially from Australia and UK.

How much did this cost you man? Also, how long did you stay. I'd really like to go to any Scandinavian country, just don't really know what I'd do cause me and my girlfriend are the most socially active people but I'd still like to talk to and meet other people there.

I cant look at people in the eyes.

Like almost never. It's definitely part of what's wrong with me but I've just accepted it. Not a big deal.

Its the place to go for cheap birthday and greeting cards.

But thats it

Started on as cap team and did that for about 6 months until there was a opening on the morning cap team that used to pick all the batches and shit and put away overnights backstock.

Then i moved up the the team lead there, then produce manager, then started the OGP program as OGP manager. Then left for other jobs when it was obvious they were going to want me to be assistant manager of OGP. Way too many orders and not enough people. Now it seems like the whole store picks for OGP.

I just imagine TC fighting every single enemy every time he encounter them in any Dark Souls game. Thats crazy

Prestoff posted...

I always hear bad stuff about Red Lobster, Olive Garden, and Applebees but anytime I go to these places there's always a long ass line just to get in.

They're the Big Bang Theory of the restaurant world

Trumble posted...

I dunno about "hate". I'm detached enough from the situation that it's more "recognize him as a piece of shit from a logical point of view, but don't have overly strong personal, emotional feelings about him".

This is a good point too. I dont hate just release that he's a ghoul of a human being.

I genuinely cant believe people go to Olive Garden. I can make a pretty decent chicken alfredo at home and i dont have to pay a gigantic amount to do it. Idk.

His mishandling of covid in every aspect

His terrible decisions to disregard bills that at the very least tried to mitigate climate change

His rhetoric was racially agitating to say the very least. Plenty of dogwhistles and sometimes just outright racist shit.

The way he carried himself and was extremely divisive towards reporters/democrats/anyone who dared to criticize him. I think that this has a gigantic spillover effect into how we all are behaving now as a country. He almost normalized the toxicity and vitriol towards any opposition.

Oh, and he denied a perfectly standard election and conviced large portions of this population that are elections are not fair and free, which is creating a blowback of voting restriction laws that really start to upend democracy.

I mean, I'll stop there i guess.

Veggeta_MAX posted...

Is it to promote them positively or to laugh at how stupid they are?

I guarantee both, and thats the shitty part, even just sharing it by quoting it unfortunately still spreads that shit.

Solid Sonic posted...

I agree that dinosaurs breeding with modern creatures is just something we shouldn't be okay with.

Nice

B18Champ posted...

and now watch Newsmax.

Lol. Good one. Nice topic TC

I couldn't imagine what kind of brain you'd need to think he's "lost his mind"

Like he very obviously thinks some shady shit went down with his hiring, and thinks he has enough evidence to warrant a case in regards to that. Its pretty clear cut.

Although he may be incorrect, and it might be proven otherwise, none of the above should lead someone to think they've "lost their mind"

Apex Legenda and then Halo Infinite. Thats really it. Little bit of Disco elysium

PoundGarden posted...

I guess I'm baffled because I've lived in large and small cities and never had trouble finding work. I've also seen multiple people turn down $17/hr entry level jobs because they "don't want to work in a factory".

"It worked for me, so obviously it should work for everyone"

Bro, you literally dont care to try for one second to take a step outside of the reality that you live in and recognize that not everyone has the same skills/luck/knowledge/timing/ability to put together a good resume/ ability to have a good interview/any other intangible it takes to land a job.

Like others in this topic have also said, i work a decent paying/40 hour a week job, however it took me a long time to get this job, and I was very lucky to have the extra savings that was able to help me survive the 6+ months it took to land it. If I didn't, i probably would've hopped onto some gig delivery app or low paying retail job and had the same feelings that they do.

This dude seriously is still in here with the "if you want a better job, go get it" mindset like you can just move the slider up on Indeed.com, and magically those jobs just become available to you.

Do you guys know that all you need to do to find a better job is just look? Thats it and they will hire you.

Quit your job and just change careers is easy peasy according to this Poundgarden guy. Absolutely no risk whatsoever.

B18Champ posted...

Most people who watch Fox are older (55+) which would mean they are likely vaccinated. You don't have young people watching Fox

So there was no source. Gotcha.

Just you making stuff up. Cool.

Sackgurl posted...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/vaccinated-viewers-fox-cnn-msnbc-b1891460.html

this must be awkward for you

Lol

Wonder if he'll go all in on crypto.com ads now

Its the hope of making easy money I guess sadly.

B18Champ posted...

The vast majority of people that watch Fox are likely already vaccinated.

Source? Besides your ass of course.

I just started Disco Elysium the other day so ill have that finished sometime this year i guess.

Wait that guy died of Covid? Damn. Thats wild i was just watching the bottom left clip the other day with him talking about the people of Washington (i think) are all fed up or something.

Thats wild.

I love how he states having Michael Osterholm on as some big win for having people on the other side on.

Like he had him on right at the beginning of the pandemic when shit was popping off, and he (Joe) actually makes fun of anti vaxxers during this interview.

But that doesnt excuse the fact that you havent actually had a single person on since then, and instead have had dozens of shitty "doctors" on instead.

Sounds like hes just going to die instead.

Femputer posted...

YouTube vanced

Someone mentioned that on her a few months ago and changed the game for me god damn.