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I guess I'll completely skip Yae, no reason to get her when I'm already comfortably using Kokomi Raiden0 Fischl6 Sucrose6.

I am somewhere at 60+ rolls 100% pity so i'll just roll Raiden C2. The gained resolve bonus and DEF shred should help a lot with Raiden's damage output and if thats not enough I can further optimize her gear.

Still kinda undecided if I need Kazuha (have Venti+Sucrose C6) and Klee C4 (need a great team that doesn't involve Bennett and Xingqiu).
Ayato, Heizo are nope.
Kuki Shinobu sounds unlikely to be my type.
Yaoyao and Little Lord Kusanali are coming in Sumeru.

Mormaurd posted...

Id love to use bennet as a healer but I just cant deal with him only healing to 70%. It drives me up a wall.

It's hilarious when people use him in VV domain and then Fatui agents oneshot everyone coz their hp never maxes

Kuki Shinobu has a big sister named "Miyuki".
Kuki comes from a family of shrine maidens, but chose to go her own way and joined the Arataki Gang.

And another interesting thing on the side, Sayu likely has a secret ally helping her hide all the time.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

aren't they just making the strongest element stronger? the next region will just burn to ashes

Yeah, by burning you if you have pyro applied to you, lol.

We know the others are named overgrowth (maybe slow / immobilize?) and overdose (maybe a powerfull buff that comes with a debuff?), so that's likely hydro and electro. Cryo might have something like hybernation I suppose (maybe a stun or severe debuff)

...and having a ton of dendro-applying enemies next region is going to be hilarious.
Frankly I hate having Bennet in my coop groups. Barbara, Jean, Sayu and Kokomi are comfortable

Game size reduction next update, especially mobile game size.

Yeah but Eula can't fill Raiden's resolve back up at C0, I think.
Raiden has the amusing quirk that she immediately self-restores her energy, but uses resolve instead to power her burst.

meralonne posted...

whether or not I can somehow make her work with Eula

Just use Raiden or Fischl

I'm fine with main dps Klee, thanks!

DarkRoast posted...

You actually get money for trashing purple or lower gear

I have over 20 million mora

DarkRoast posted...

The problem with Wanderer's is that it doesn't have a dedicated domain, so it's inefficient to farm.

On the other hand, if you're a long-time player, your inventory might be filled with so much garbage, you can easily craft hundreds of Wanderers right away from the alchemy bench.

At this point I'm more worried about not reaching max inventory space, lol

New Survey out, this time about characters, events, update content satisfaction.

Made sure to complain about Yunjin not buffing charged, Shenhe being too niche and overspecialized for a 5*, Kokomi jelly staying still for 20sec, garbage tanuki event and lack of text skipping when unvoiced.

Yup, benefit of using the Wanderer set.

Crit damage weapon, crit damage circlet

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/6/3/AAZs-EAAC6AH.jpg

Just gotta final ascension her and my Yanfei is done.
Only thing that bothers me is the low energy, but oh well.

The best part of doing this is I can just stick the artifacts on Ganyu if I ever want melt.

I just Klee it.
Activate burst, watch as recovery nodes shatter one by one.

Ayaka's burst is hilarious on it too and she can flood cryo applications

DarkRoast posted...

Honestly I think C0 Kokomi is more useful than C0 Raiden, but C2 Raiden is arguably the strongest character in the game, particularly given her compositions.

In the end it strongly depends on what he needs.

Kokomi may be completely useless to some people and god-tier to others.
For example if you already have a perfect Morgana set-up and have no plans to set up a taser team (which demands two of the following: Fischl C6, Beidou C2, Yae, Raiden ; AND one of the anemo gravity pullers), she is just a healer and replacable by 4*s.
On the other hand, if you don't have Mona but have Ganyu and/or Ayaka, you can immediately set up a very powerful freeze team. If you have the taser characters ready, Kokomi Taser is an easy mode powerful team that is almost invincible, easy to use, cheap to set up.

Raiden is great in teams where you need constant electro application or a lot of energy.

TwoDoorPC posted...

yae, raiden, or kokomi

Currently, it looks like Yae will just be a good-to-great electro main/sub dps, but not ice-queen-tier. Probably not a great choice unless you super like the character.

Raiden performs best if you can get at least C2, otherwise she's a good subdps, great burst buffer, best energy battery, okay burst damage with massive burst melee range. Very future-proof, because the higher the energy cost, the more she buffs your burst.

Kokomi is an easy to build powerful hybrid who heals, AoE-applies hydro, deals hydro damage and can be specced into either buffing the full team dps, or dealing good AoE physical damage around the player. Give her a team of electro sub-dps chars, put in a gravity puller and she will lead an almost invincible team that deals great damage.

DarkRoast posted...

Yae seems kinda... I dunno, man.

She'll likely be a great taser/firework driver and in general dish out a lot more damage than Fischl.

DarkRoast posted...

C1 Kokomi is pretty bad

It's an extra hydro application and normal hit, so it's pretty useful.

Yeah, emoboy looks too creepy for me. Skip.

I'm more worried whether to do C1 Kokomi, C2 Raiden, Kazuha, or C4 Klee

Ayato leak: "High multipliers, at least Childe strength"

Congrats on one of the most fun constellations

DarkRoast posted...

So basically since I lucked out with a quick C4, I probably should finish the job?

Mine is C0, so can't help ya there.
You need to think if the quick uncharged shots would help you (can you cause reactions, how much damage you'd gain, if your enemies even survive long enough already).

It definitely sounds like a huge comfort upgrade, but don't forget you still have to aim them and the skill consumes time.

DarkRoast posted...

It's C6 Ganyu worth it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELt-E5hxbNI

You can basically erase the charging time and fire a frostflake off twice any time you want.

Luckily Kokomi is safe from any bullshit coz Mihoyo wants to sell healers

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/7/9/AAZs-EAAC4az.jpg
There's plenty of edible greens, guys

DarkRoast posted...

Unless they can find a way to fundamentally change Electro, it's going to have the same problems

Electro is VERY easy to fix if Mihoyo just stops ignoring it.

I'm putting my faith in dendro, it will likely give a huge boost to electro that'll drag it out of the mud and make it very powerful even without taser set ups.

Even if that's not the case, all Mihoyo has to do is give amplification properties to electrocharged. Imagine a special stacking post-calculation electro damage debuff that goes 20% -> 40% -> 60%, that'd immediately put it on the level of reverse melt/vape and it wouldn't even need constant elemental application control.
It doesn't even have to be a change to reactions, you could make that an electro artifact set bonus, a big reason anemo and cryo are so powerful are the great sets.

Other things that can be done are cooldown manipulation electro resonance or a global resistance purge on superconduct

DarkRoast posted...

2.5 is bringing another form of Enkanomiya which makes me think one of the reruns is gonna be Kokomi.

Yae -> Kokomi+Raiden according to leaks.

When it comes to facts...
IIRC the abyss F11 has +electro and +healing bonuses, F11-3 has pyro+electro lector in same chamber, the abyss phase boosts electrocharged and then next one electro.

Yeah, but her actually dealing significant damage plays into her role in my Koko Taser team. Having C3 Raiden and C1 Kokomi would help so much

Someone give me an idea what I can expect.

Say my Raiden C0 initial burst damage is 70000+ damage or so.
How much would she deal with C2 or C3?

Yunjin is very hard to utilize right now.
It's primarily Itto/Noelle and Yoimiya getting huge bonuses from it as far as I can tell.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/9/8/AAZs-EAAC4Ai.jpg

Mayber I really should C2+ Raiden.
But I also want C4 Klee...

Is it though? They attack and move a lot, hits are very damaging and iirc one of them has very high anemo resist

And Kokomi Taser destroys another Abyss.
When will Mihoyo fucking stop putting Kenki and PMA in abyss?

Just Ganyu'd the shit outta it

TwoDoorPC posted...

ok, good. thanks. thinking about triple crowning her and didn't want to waste my time/resources.

Crowning Normal and Burst is big, afaik lv90ing her and her DEF weapon is big.

Her skill is low priority. Your choice if you need that shield to be even tankier than it is.

TwoDoorPC posted...

does levelling noelle's normal attack skill effect her burst damage?

I think we just had this question recently, but yes, a large part of Noelle's damage is her normal talent

Don't use Thoma lol.

Yanfei is a real damage dealer and has pretty good pyro application if you gear her right, so at least she can fight off enemies that geo isn't really effective against.
I'm not sure what the recommended gear setup for a shielder-spec Yanfei is, but consider she is capable of equipping Proto Amber (free energy refund, groupwide heal, big HP bonus), TToDS (huge damage buff for switched char)

DarkRoast posted...

Has more utility

Yanfei's only utility is the shield, which really doesn't help much outside of herself and, like, 1 specific other group setup. Shield users have been getting a regular kick in the balls every update since Inazuma.

Klee has some serious brute force (stunlocking minibosses), groupwide energy recovery at C0 that multiplies at C6, extreme pyro application (easy shield break for every element except pyro) that grows stronger at C1, DEF shred at C2.

DarkRoast posted...

Synergizes with the current meta better

News to me. I thought Yanfei never was part of any meta, except maybe some niche Hu Tao groups?
Klee is closer IMO with mono pyro..

DarkRoast posted...

Is far easier to use

Preference and Yanfei very situational, Klee is more versatile.
Yanfei playstyle is cancerous against any large ungathered enemy groups and she cannot be used with Venti's burst at all because her charge attack has low height reach. Ever tried fighting Cicin mages as Yanfei? Makes you immediately want to throw her out. If the enemies move at all, GG Yanfei.
Yanfei has to stand still and must not move, must not get hit. So unlike Klee, Yanfei is absolutely insufferable without shielding and her own shield isn't really enough IMO.

DarkRoast posted...

Has better constellations

Okay, that's just wrong.
C1 for Klee adds another pyro application for shield breaking and synergizes fantastically with Solar Pearl.
C2 DEF shred makes Klee clearly superior to Yanfei C6 in damage and utility, no contest.
C3 and C5 are nice talent boosts coz all Klee abilities are very strong and useful.
C4 makes Yanfei look like a fucking joke, just a 555% extra damage instance on top what her burst does and she can instantly control when it goes off just like Eula's burst (cue vaporize or melt), afaik can set it off twice 5 seconds apart.
C6 makes her auto-regen the full group's burst energy and gives groupwide pyro damage bonus (cue mono pyro).

DarkRoast posted...

attacks faster

Yanfei needs to stand still and wait.
Klee doesn't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JkKGBiUGls

DarkRoast posted...

synergizes with Xingqiu and Fischl more easily

Xingqiu yes, Fischl eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh.

DarkRoast posted...

has nearly free charged attacks when played correctly

Playing Yanfei for dps makes her stamina inefficient.
Playing Yanfei stamina-efficiently robs her of dps.

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Long story short, in the end it's all preference and both are very strong, but Yanfei's only real advantages are her ability to utilize reactions properly, more casual playstyle and her long range (which comes with severe downsides).

Klee definitely is not much worse at C0 and give her any constellations, she beats down Yanfei.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/0/2/AAZs-EAAC3U2.jpg

DarkRoast posted...

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, but I swear Kokomi does more damage in her Ult than the numbers on the screen indicate

1. Clam adds physical damage on top (which can be superconducted) and during burst she consistently maxes it. Outside of burst, it's effectly damage on top of the jelly if you stay near it.
2. Kokomi doesn't crit. So say you compare her to another char who crits 10000, Kokomi may outdps him with 8000 damage hits, because luck is not involved at all. You can do fast 2 normal cancel loops, with or without charged attacks for high damage.
3. Jelly damage
4. Reaction damage, vape and electrocharge are a pretty great bonus.
5. C1 adds another hit, which is afaik also an off-cooldown reaction

Alone, Kokomi definitely isn't thaaaat powerful.
But hydro is a great element at boosting other elements, making her really good at improving overall group damage. It's why Mihoyo is so afraid of giving us unrestricted hydro main dps chars.

I figure Ayato will be hydro main dps? This is gonna be amusing.

I have prototype crescent R5, so hitting the head is obligatory for my big pp dmg.
Luckily, she's freeze spec, so the only challenge is getting used to Genshin's completely fucking broken crosshair and bow aim mechanics

I wouldn't really call Keqing terrible at C4, her damage is good, but yeah she isn't impressive when you compare to the top tier like the cryo queens, or Raiden C2.

I figure Mihoyo will eventually release an electro dps artifact set, or a very powerful dendro+electro reaction and it may make her as powerful as mono pyro Klee or optimized vape Diluc

I much prefer Mona's new outfit.
Jean's makes her look like a bishie dude, the other two don't really look all that different to me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2b5AJ6Hn-s

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Kloe_Rinz posted...

i wish i could deal anywhere near these numbers other people deal

Stat balance is everything, especially crit balance.
Ganyu is powerful coz she can get crit from weapons, talents, artifacts and then raise the critdmg skyhigh.

From there you can use characters like Kazuha/Sucrose, Tartaglia, Shenhe (?), Bennett (?) to get a massive boost.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

does levelling up your auto attack talent also boost your burst, for bursts you need to use auto attacks for? like noell and raiden. or even characters like hu tao where they boost their auto attack through their skill

I think that completely depends on the character.

Noelle C6's burst just powers up her normal attacks, so the normal talent is top priority.

Raiden's burst sword damage completely counts as burst damage and iirc has its own multipliers in the talent, so her normal attack talent is garbage and burst talent is top priority.

Kokomi's normal attack afaik scales on ATK and can't crit so its damage bonus is garbage and normally it should be stopped at lv6. Meanwhile her burst adds HP% scaling on top of all her damage so it's top priority.

I don't use Yoimiya and Hu Tao, so don't know about them.

Today my artifact inventory ran full, so I optimized my Noelle build.

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Gotta say, Noelle hitting 30000+ damage with Yunjin C3 feels pretty good man