Lurker > TommyG663513

Were_Wyrm posted...

I thought that's what Celebration FL was.

This. It isn't at all a new concept. Disney is just expanding upon this.

Also, looks up Golden Oaks. Those are mega mansions on Disney property that you can own, but come with a very strict HOA and room service and park passes. So it's a bit like a hotel despite being a massive mansion that you need to pay taxes on us HOA fees.

hockeybub89 posted...

That's definitely bad, especially if he still believes it.

But funny how mad people are that Neil Young chose to not share a platform with someone who allows unchallenged medical disinformation on a podcast, and take zero responsibility for the fact that millions of people actually listen to him and derive a worldview from the things said on it.

@hockeybub89

I don't think a single person is mad about what Neil Young did. It's just hilarious what he did. Idk if he intended to or not, but a big spectacle was made of his departure. He could of just spoke with them quietly and been removed, but it sounds like he made a big public display of "it's me or him."

I mean, no business would choose Young over Rogan. One is culturally relevant and the other isn't.

A lot of people take issue with any sort of self improvement.

Also, CE has a bunch of shut ins who would rather stereotype anyone who is into fitness than actually perform a moderate amount of exercise with any regularity.

But as far as the OPs assertion.

Brian Shaw has always come off like a super wholesome, humble, and thankful guy. I want to continue believing that. I don't watch all of his videos and I will continue watching the amount that I do. I will probably just plug my ears and close my eyes if I see anything like that.

Also for TC, do you follow Will Tennyson? I really like his YT channel and I've never gotten a political vibe off of him.

I follow lots of fitness people on YT, but I don't get right wing stuff recommended to me too much. I mean, I get Rogan stuff, but I wouldn't call him right wing more like adjacent/friendly to some right wing people. He is more of a moderate and anyone who calls him alt right is moreso revealing how far left they are.

I also follow way more theme park vloggers and roller coaster enthusiasts cause I'm more into that than fitness and they generally tend to lean left so the algorithm tends to feed me more left wing stuff.

So again for TC, do you follow stuff on YT beyond fitness channels that the algorithm could interpret as representative of your political leanings?

Sczoyd posted...

People are just dumbfounded... It used to be the belief that if one side lies, you combat that with the truth, you fight ignorance with education, propaganda with evidence, and so on and truth will win in the end.
And then the era of Trump came along and anyone not in the cult was shocked at how indoctrinated much of America really is. You give them facts and evidence and they went "fake news!" and doubled down and ignored it.
What do you do with people like that?
The only thing people could come up with was deplatforming them and hope that stops the cancer from spreading.

And if you go crazy with deplatforming than well....

This is why I am saying that the left is becoming more Trumpy.

Once one side engages in blatant bad faith and experiences a lot of success with it then it kind of forces the hand of the other side. Either engage in bad faith in return or just continually lose political power.

I have zero optimism about politics in the US moving forward and I just try to have simple positive interactions with people in public that have nothing to do with politics. It's the only way I'm gonna keep my sanity.

Oh and try to stay away from this and the politics board, because people have obviously had their brains melted at this point. I add people from these boards to my ignore list everyday and that helps at least.

I think it is hilarious that the modern left is becoming more like evangelicals

But it is also kind of sad how homophobic the vast majority of people were back then. The 80's were over 30 years ago and that same vast majority has changed significantly.

I used to work at Subway over ten years ago. We were always short staffed back then. It's a terrible place to work for and they by far have the worst subs on the market.

Remember when they were considered fresh and healthy? Just LOL

Damn, my ignore list keeps growing. Hilarious how people accuse me of trolling when I keep adding people to my ignore list.

Scorsese2002 posted...

Similar thing happened to Liam Neesona wife wasnt it?

Tragic and sad

She was in a bad skiing accident that required a helicopter rescue I believe. Head trauma was the cause of death though.

McMarbles posted...

Let's be honest, who even remembers he had a brother named Sanjay?

Apu had a wife and a bunch of kids

QueenCarly posted...

the only truth is that of the capitalist class crushing the working class

working class solidarity to destroy capitalism is the only path forward

Yeah this is fair. All the identity politics stuff and to some degree racial justice stuff is just a distraction from workers rights type issues which is what we should really be worrying about.

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You never responded to anything.

Me pointing out that you never responded to it is not sealioning. It's pointing out that you didn't respond at all.

Accusing someone of trolling is such a lazy thing to do.

If you think I'm trolling then mark me or mod my post yourself.

Oh wait, you can't cause I haven't violated the TOS and you only accuse someone of trolling because I say something you have no defense against.

Calling what I'm saying whining is some weird gaslighting.

How does someone who makes such consistently terrible posts get to be a mod?

Like LOL, you were trying to call out a straw man well before I even responded and my actual response was nowhere near your response.

I live in reality, feel free to join me whenever.

Smackems posted...

If you ain't left establishment, then youre an alt right anti vax 1/6'er

This basically.

All.anyone does on this board and various other internet circles is call someone they have a mild disagreement with the exact far opposite of their own personal political stance.

Everyone is trying to destroy any sense of nuance and over simplify everything to hell and back.

Most people just want to root for a team and have little to no interest in truth.

hockeybub89 posted...

Anti-vaxxers have been told this forever though. You're acting as if the only information available to anti-vaxxers is mocking insults. They deserve the insults because they flat out don't give a shit about the facts or the numbers or the health of their fellow man. They think the doctors are paid off and will tell you to stop trying to act smart by throwing around numbers and big words.

If you mock people, that tends to further entrench them in their beliefs. Just a general reality. Your options are mock, inform, or ignore generally speaking.

Do you go around looking for anti vaxxers to mock or what?

Have you ever seen mocking someone do any sort of good?

The funny thing is, Fauci said either today or yesterday that we are nearing the end of covid being a pandemic level threat and can start dropping precautions soon or even now. This is where we are at.

The whole goal actually was to reach something of a herd immunity. It was stupid to just go for herd immunity without a vaccine as that leads to the most deaths, but here we are with a vaccine having been available for about a year.

There really isn't a ton more to debate. There is light at the end of the tunnel. There are going to be a ton more deaths over the next 2-3 weeks still, but infection rates have been dropping.

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So your only response is to make an accusation of trolling?

Is this all you ever do?

It seems like a lot of Nintendo Directs are underwhelming. Like a lot of companies just want to create the most hype with the least effort possible.

I mean, I understand though it seems like they tend to not quite put in enough effort and not generate enough hype.

Hornezz posted...

Mocking moderators in general isn't beneficial to anything and absolutely can be harmful. Just say nothing at all and don't worry about them so much. You aren't going to change their minds with aggressiveness.

There is a big difference between mocking and pointing out the reality of someone's actions and the harm it causes.

You could tell an anti vaxxer that vaccines work and that if unvaccinated your are X times more likely to catch it and spread it to Y amounts of people and getting the vaccine also reduces your odds of getting sick, hospitalized, or dying by Z percent.

How do so many people on here struggle with telling the difference between openly mocking someone and making an argument about the wrongness of their actions?

Collat posted...

Doesn't look like it.

Looks like you're another person for the ignore list. I love improving my GameFAQs experience just a tad.

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Your posts are awful. You ran away and never responded. It's pretty obvious the mod staff on here isn't very good.

It's hilarious that you post "and he was never hear from again" in response to someone who accused a mod of trolling. Then you accuse me of sealioning and provide absolutely no justification for your statement. The "and he was never hear from again" applies to you pretty well.

Also hilarious how you said I was going to argue that the FL covid numbers were messed up or something then I made a long list of arguments that were nowhere near that and you ran away and hid.

Like get a grip dude. You clearly have no business being a mod if all you do is go around accusing others of trolling. Funny how I haven't been modded for any of these posts despite you accusing me of sealioning.

Collat posted...

I'm not. I don't care if it's beneficial, but it sure as hell isn't hurting.

But keep crying that people aren't being nice to the ones dragging this out for 2+ years and hanging out with people waving nazi flags while comparing themselves to holocaust survivors.

Only one side is responsible for that. Antivaxxers were mocked by everyone before it became political.

As long as you don't pretend it is beneficial.

You saying I'm crying is just absolute BS. I'm just pointing something out. Calling someone's post crying or whining is just a lazy way to disregard their post and act superior. Just accept that I may think less of you. Not that you care what I think nor do I care all that much what you think of me either.

I just feel the need to state something that I find very obvious. Mocking people in general isn't beneficial to anything and absolutely can be harmful.

I highly disagree with you that it isn't hurting, but whatever.

I'm not gonna pretend that being anti vax is reasonable or anything else, but very poor logic. There's always people who are mildly anti vax who may think otherwise sometime down the line. People still do get their first shots these days. Don't pretend that more people aren't getting vaccinated.

Anything that isn't far left is alt right these days to many people

Veggeta_MAX posted...

I have, again, many times have said the issue isn't with Apu directly. The issue goes with society.

Then cancel society instead of Apu. Also, in the Rogan clip they stated that Apu isn't even on the show anymore. So assuming that is correct what did this solve? At least with Dr. Hibbert they got a new voice actor that matched the characters skin tone. If you want to argue that representation is important than is it good to have no Apu versus the Apu that had some stereotypical traits, but also depth as a character and a positive depiction relative to other characters?

Alucard188 posted...

It looks like they deleted the tweet and the news story. Disappointing. I have no idea what you guys are arguing about, and I don't really care to read to find out.

Didn't it say that he was only contemplating suing them and not that he had actually filed a suit?

Because thinking about suing someone could be as little as an offhand comment or as much as an actual consultation with a lawyer.

Hornezz posted...

In the previous thread you repeatedly accused people of yelling and screaming (which according to you is an ad hominem), all while you were going on a long winded rant at them.

You accused people of garbage posting and being toxic right off the bat. ITT you said AssultTank's post were BS and awful. All while arguing that hostility isn't productive.

Do you really not see the hypocrisy?

I accuse people of yelling and screaming who make insults or shame people. Typically people who straight up say STFU.

I can't show you what @AssultTank said, because the topic is no longer there, but he made tons of ad hominem arguments against me that I called out and he ran away and never responded to. Then he did something similar in this topic meanwhile accusing someone else of doing the same thing he did in that topic and is doing in this topic.

So yes, his posts were awful and I called him out on his BS. There is a line where I will say someone made an awful post.

Not to name names, but I've put a handful of people on ignore from this topic alone. If you argue in bad faith long enough then I will no longer deal with you.

Like I said, if you don't feel you can have a productive conversation with someone anymore then you should end it. Like with an ignore feature. I typically give people lots of chances, but it depends.

sktgamer_13dude posted...

No, it isnt. It only is if you dont know what ad hominem is.

Now stop being a sealion for once and just shut the fuck up. Youre not as smart as you think you are.

Yeah you're getting the ignore list for this one. Accusing someone of trolling and telling them STFU along with other ad hominems. Good luck in life dude. I gave you way too many chances that you didn't deserve.

Veggeta_MAX posted...

It doesn't matter if YOU alone don't take it from that from Apu. The problem is society does.

Again, you don't seem to understand the problem here. People don't look at every Spanish speaking person and auto think "oh that's Pedro "The Bubblebee man"".

They do with Apu when they think of Indian people. This isn't about making fun of a stereotype or race.

No not really. I've met quite a few Indian people in my life and I would imagine anyone living in or near a big city probably has too.

You're acting like people only ever see Indian person in media or that our opinions of people are only based on media depictions.

LightHawKnight posted...

Ah the murderer defender is back.

You do realize that being anti vax is not the same as being a murderer? Nor am I "defending" anti vaxxers for that matter. I think what they're doing (or not doing) is based on awful logic and contributes to the spread of a virus and I wish they would change their minds.

Hornezz posted...

I refuse to believe you're not seeing the irony of this.

What irony? I'm not so upset with people who like to shame anti vaxxers nor anti vaxxers that I can't be civil with both. Who have I called names or insulted? I point out people's actions and the reality of what those actions may or may not accomplish.

You also cherry picked those words and replying to them without the rest of my post makes it come off significantly different than if you had just quoted my post in its entirety.

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Saying youre yelling isnt an ad hominem attack, no matter how many times you try to act like it is. Youre just using buzzwords to make yourself seem smarter, but it just makes you look like a fool.

Just shut the fuck up, Tommy.

Calling people names and telling them to STFU is not exactly productive in any way.

And yes it is an ad hominem attack.

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@AssultTank

I still think it is hilarious that you posted this ITT yet twice now you ran and hid when I called you out on your terrible logic

Do you ever make arguments that aren't overly emotional and highly tangential or fallacies?

Veggeta_MAX posted...

I don't blame some of you for not understanding what the problem is. It took me a hot minute to understand the problem too. I'll try to explain it as best I can what the problem is.

The problem isn't directly Apu or The Simpsons. The problem is when people think of Indian people, they think of Apu and no one else. And they don't care for his success and positive traits either. People know him as the "Thank you come again" person and that's it, so they know Indian people for that only. Do you guys understand that it's bad to think of a whole group of people are all nothing but Apu's?

If you get your opinions of Indian people from a cartoon then I don't know what to tell you.

People treat media depictions way too seriously.

So many people these days sound like moms from the 90's complaining about Pokemon and Harry Potter. Media depictions in anything have some effect, but that effect is dramatically overstated by those who take issue with them.

hockeybub89 posted...

February 2022 and someone still thinks anti-vaxxers are just waiting for facts and logic and kindness to change their minds

As opposed to yelling changing their mind?

The options aren't yell or be nice with facts. You can also just say nothing which is something I would advocate for quite a few users on here, yourself included. I get not feeling like you could be calm or nice with them. That is 100% understandable, because anti vaxxers generally aren't pleasant people.

Just say nothing at all and don't worry about them so much. You aren't going to change their minds with aggressiveness. You can't entirely control other people. You can try a little bit though to influence them.

Yes Spotify does suck as a platform and this needs to be pointed out repeatedly.

Hornezz posted...

Don't yell, he shouts as his multi-post rant now spans multiple topics.

Referring to arguments as "yelling" is an interesting ad hominem to make.

The "yelling" I'm referring to in others is when they're openly mocking anti vaxxers. I've also seen many posters argue that openly shaming them is the way to go.

CyricZ posted...

So I guess what Tommy is saying is that Indians should be happy with the representation they got and shut up about it.

That isn't at all what I said. Take your bad faith and leave this topic.

hockeybub89 posted...

Here's the incentive: You get to leave your house and get paid at work. Should we also reward people for wearing seatbelts, not littering, and not committing crimes against other people?

I am just so tired of it all and have basically run out of all tolerance of stupidity. People do the correct things and believe in reality by choice, or we force them.

You can't force people to do those things. You should probably learn to better tolerate stupidity, because there is far from a lack of it.

You've also posted some false analogies that really aren't equivalent to this at all like rewarding people for wearing seatbelts.

So with your idea of not allowing people to leave the house and work unless they're vaccinated how exactly do you think this will be enforced? Because if you manage to think about that scenario for more than a minute then I'm sure you could imagine it going all sorts of ugly ways.

I'll put it this way, a depressingly high amount of people have been victims of violence just for enforcing mask mandates. I doubt a "stay at home and don't work unless vaccinated" mandate would go down more peacefully. It is a very sad reality, but it seems true.

thronedfire2 posted...

Ah heres Tommy to tell us we need to be nice to anti-vaxxers so maybe theyll finally start listening to facts two years later

I never said "be nice." I said maybe don't take the "yell and scream" attitude. So maybe just don't say anything about them at all. So many people on here can be major covid Karen's when the reality is that covid fatigue is real and the question of for how long and what specific covid precautionary measures can you actually get the public to buy into are fair questions to ask.

Also, people still do get vaccinated to this day. People are still getting boosted even. There's still many cases to this day of a family member dying of covid and the surviving members finally getting vaccinated as a response.

Of course, this is the board that will endlessly share stories like the guy who refused vaccination as part of a requirement for a heart transplant he needed to live. There sure are people out there who make terrible risk assessment decisions like that, but it is obvious what this board likes to focus on.

VipaGTS posted...

yea, because when most people think Apu they instantly think "successful business man" and not "funny accent guy who owns a 7/11, a very common joke/stereotype people use against indian people". this isn't about the Simpsons, its about public perception. Most people see him as a caricature that perpetuates their already preconceived notions about indian people.

No your post was bad.

People who actually watched the show know the character or Apu. I don't care what some random person who kind of sort of heard of him thought. The character should have barely registered in their brains. It also stands to mention, of all the various caricatures on the Simpsons with varying degrees of racism then why is this the only one people care about?

hockeybub89 posted...

You're right. We also have the worthless piece of shit governments that refuse to force them to get vaccinated.

And here I thought we hated terrorism.

You used to put effort into your posts, but you've gotten so lazy that it is just sad to see.

You're also acting like there haven't been any sort of vaccine mandates for various workers and entry into certain locations for certain activities. You can't actually force the public at large to get vaccinated.

What you should be doing is offering increasingly higher incentives.

Collat posted...

Better not mock them or they will become even less vaccinated somehow.

Yeah because mocking anti vaxxers is totally in line with what public health officials have recommended.

At best, how could you possibly argue it does anything beneficial?

The fact that this pandemic got so divided along political lines was absolutely stupid and everyone should take responsibility for playing their part in it.

VipaGTS posted...

People dont understand the criticism of Apu. It wasnt simply this is racist get rid of it!its that he was perpetuating a stereotype that affected people. It goes hand in hand with all the call center employee memes and bobs and vegene or whatever. When people think Indian person they think about the thick accent and all that. For awhile thats the only role a lot of Indian people could get, or thats the only type of person they were looking for, (like the dude in Big Bang theory). They werent saying get rid of him. They were just trying to educate people and make them understand that Indian people, actors, entertainers are more than the Apu stereotype.

But people just heard the problem with apu and instantly thought it was just about cancel culture.

Compsognathus posted...

The problem with Apu isn't so much how the Simpson's treated him, he got more or less the same caricature treatment anyone on that show gets, it's that for years Apu was like the only prominent Indian character on TV. It made his characteristics much more prominent than say...Groundskeeper Willie. Even if the two weren't treated terribly different.

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

Apu is a successful business man, owns a bunch of quickie Marts, is rolling in cash, is an intellectual and a ladies man. Why are people bitchin

The last post is much closer to being correct than the first two.

The Simpsons dedicated an entire episode to Apu being the most desirable bachelor in Springfield by a mile. Then he got married, had a bunch of kids, and continually got treated with much more depth than the majority of characters on the Simpsons.

It's like no one who complained about Apu ever watched the show. The Simpsons was absolutely filled with stereotypes and caricatures racially or otherwise.

Groundskeeper Willie was probably one of if not the worst treated characters on the show. And to be fair, that was often done to hilarious effect. No one cared about Groundskeeper Willie LOL.

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No I pointed out that your actions simply were not at all helpful and that maybe you should stop.

That anti vax morons aren't the only problem with this pandemic.

Calling what I said whining is just a lazy ad hominem.

I also pointed out an instance where you made a lazy straw man argument against me before I ever had a chance to respond.

Dude, get a grip. You live in a glass house. You're a mod on GameFAQs and you're making awful posts and getting called out on it.

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That topic is gone. I last checked a day or so ago so unless you posted in it just before it got deleted then.....

I'm talking about the one titled something like "900k now dead from covid"

Cause I certainly never saw you apologize. There was no analysis of data. You made an extremely long post going over the details of what dying from covid is like and I posted that your post wasn't at all an appropriate response to the argument I was making.

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@AssultTank

You are one to talk lol. I called you out on your BS in a previous topic and you were never seen again.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

It's funny when stores panic about unions. It's even funnier when they get called out and are forced to eat their words.

This

pinky0926 posted...

Just some background here, since I didn't give a great example. I used to work in digital marketing as a campaign manager, and like the guy in the original article, I had influencers like this sending me offers daily. I had to weigh up the pros and cons vs other marketing channels to decide if X amount of dollars (in the thousands or tens of thousands usually) was gonna be worth it. From a risk perspective alone, influencers provide few strong arguments most of the time.

It entirely depends on the influencer. No doubt, there are tons of bad influencers and perhaps most are.

I can tell you from personal anecdotes that me and my GF follow various influencers and I know many friends that do as well and they influence our purchases.

Obviously, I know a ton of junk influencers too.

Not gonna pretend that personal anecdotes are strong evidence either, but your OP is also based on assumptions. No one is really bringing hard data to the table here.

Though that article does have some data it sounds like it cherry picked some examples of bad influencers.

pinky0926 posted...

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It can work when the audience and brand offering actually line up (for example, say you follow a chef on instagram because he gives good kitchenware product reviews, and the chef advertises some affordable chef's knives).

It doesn't work when the audience and brand offering are at complete odds. Take the same example but the chef starts advertising sun dresses.

The point the article makes is that influencers tend to not sell themselves very well. If you're looking for an advertising channel, google etc. gives you literally all of the big and small data you could hope to ask for to make an informed decision.

This is a much better take than your OP

I completely agree with this

I also want to point out that not all influencers are thirst traps. There is an extremely wide variety of them that advertise a long list of products and services.

My girlfriend follows a couple dozen tiktokers and they influence a lot of various products that she buys. It all depends on exactly what an influencer does.

pinky0926 posted...

Awful maths aside (and unsure why you'd argue this point anyway, because the real maths is even less generous), the point is that when someone gives you a soft offer you have to do some back of the envelope maths to see if it's worth it.

Because even being generous about it, the figures are appaling.

I'm being super generous here because my time in digital marketing tells me that you can take so many of these figures and half them to get closer to the true picture.

Your 95% figure is a big assumption itself. It's kind of irrelevant that if your math was correct the numbers would be worse, because it sounds like that number isn't based on any sort of research.