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DepreceV2 posted...

Nah this is some bullshit. The first clip in that video was of a girl crying because her family cut her off after voting for Trump. She said she didnt do that when they voted for Biden like its remotely the same thing. People will lose their rights all over the country because of this election and thats just scratching the surface.

The main thing about being conservative is the massive victim complex. So its obviously the same thing, even though they voted for someone pushing ethnic cleansing and throwing away democracy and they voted for...

It's interesting, the biggest fear average conservatives have is basically that their kids won't want to talk to them anymore. And they'll never reflect on that possibly happening and view the people who are cutting them off as real people.

tommyrocket posted...

I listened to most of the audio. It's non-stop projection from coming from them. Also rambling about "algorithms", when, judging by how they spoke about it, they don't know what that is, they just try to act like they do. They also brought religious divine intervention ("the Hand of God") into it, like uneducated anti-science idiots. Sure, sure, something that can't possibly exist totally intervened in a machine. Keep telling yourselves that.

Another ridiculous thing they said: "Deepstate women of color"

These guys literally just say anything and expect it to stick. Knowing their base, it unfortunately will.

Its weird, its basically trying to admit they cheated, but it was to counteract them cheating, so its fine.

It reminded me of that one scene in The Big Short where Steve Carrell and his friends are talking to a bunch of finance-bros, and they're asking them about the set-up-to-fail mortgages they're giving out and stuff, and the twist is these Finance bros are actually just bragging about how they're doing it with no understanding or care for the potential dangers of that activity.

IIRC Ted was originally pitched by Seth McFarlane as a sitcom, not a movie. Which might explain why it is, in fact, way better as a TV show.

DoesntMatter posted...

the audio clip was posted in a different topic, and i listened to it. they talk about how the democrats supposedly had a "go fast switch" for all the voting machines, which is verbiage taken from supposed switches that airplanes had in the 70s and 80s that allowed the pilot to bypass federally mandated speed limiters built into the airplane's systems in order to fly the plane at higher and potentially unsafe speeds.

they supposedly found out about these "go fast switches" that the democrats had and were banking on being able to use in order to "steal" the election, but they hacked into the machines and supposedly disabled the "go fast switches" so that when the democrats pulled the trigger on them and expected them to do their thing, they did nothing instead. they were talking about supposedly the same thing happened with the opposition government in Venezuela. their "go fast switches" didn't work when they thought they would.

it's curious, because they talk about the evidence for it being how the Harris campaign and people close to it were suspiciously confident that they would win the election, and their reaction to the results being not what you'd expect from people thinking the odds were 50/50 and they lost but people who thought it was 100% a lock and then lost. but then they also talk about how there was the same kind of confidence with the Trump campaign. so there is weird cognitive dissonance there. the dems are confident because they are cheating, but Trump is confident because he knows he's going to win. fucking ridiculous if you ask me.

but anyway, yeah, this definitely sounds like they were able to somehow get into the systems in ways that you are not supposed to be able to. this really needs to be looked into.

Another interesting thing they mentioned was that Trump pretty much always maintained a pretty significant lead in the popular vote, and that's simply not how it should've happened. Like Harris should have gotten a big bump in the northeast and when the West coast started tallying their votes, and that didn't really happen, and Trump should've gotten a bump in Florida, but Trump always was just consistently in front the whole time. Interesting especially towards the end of the night when the only places left to count were the really big cities that always went Blue, and that influx of Harris votes just never came.

Could definitely be interpreted as basically bragging about rigging the votes in a "not directly saying we did it" kind of way, but it could also potentially be Alex-Jones-esque conspiratorial jargon about "how they couldn't keep us down"

Definitely sounds like something that should be looked into.

No. Not unless Trump makes like, a department of wrong-think.

The average person either wants or doesn't care about strong female characters, random diversity spots, comments about capitalism that make you feel educated, etc...

And conservatism is a culture of victimhood. They need things to constantly be "woke" to rail against or the whole thing falls apart.

That's where the profit is, so its not going to change unless they are literally not allowed to do so. Granted, its never going to be something actually important, LGBT stuff will still be minor enough it can be edited out for overseas audiences, and will very rarely actually speak to real issues.

Technically it has. Because now there's not even going to be a pretense of caring about Gazans, hostages, etc...

Just like he will technically end the war in Ukraine, but that's only by leaving them all to die.

Democrats at least tried to dance around the "throwing Palestinian civilians in the woodchipper" thing, but Trump is going to encourage it.

Charismic_Zach_Gowen posted...

Everyone is acting as if Cornyn and Trump aren't just going to expand the court anyway after clutching their pearls

They don't need to expand the courts. they already have a majority, and Because Trump has won now, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts will probably step down so Trump can replace them with 3 much younger hacks, guaranteeing partisan conservative decisions for the next couple generations.

If Biden actually had another 4 years in him, than Harris would have been a good choice to run in 2028. She definitely showed she had the ability to tear through the conservative rhetoric, and then just gave up on it for some reason.

After the embarassment that was this election, her presidential aspirations are dead.

KogaSteelfang posted...

From what I gather he screwed up his Visa papers before becoming a citizen. Was working here illegally or something and covered it up.

IIRC he came here on a student visa, but never actually went to school and immediately started working, ignoring the limitations of a student visa (which technically should have gotten him deported)

gamepimp12 posted...

youre missing the splintering thats been going on after the election

its a lot of finger pointing going on about who did what or didnt do what.

This happens every time though.

When Trump won the first time, there was a ton of random finger pointing at each other, and then everyone shut up when bigger problems came up.

Apparently, that meant nobody actually learned anything from 2016, but we'll have the same end-result.

sfcalimari posted...

People have forgotten that there was a massive groundswell of support for BLM, trans rights and gay rights during the first Trump term. Can't remember what year it was but one year in his term was basically one long BLM protest which led to a lot of local police reforms.

There was a massive "muh woke SJW" backlash against these causes under Biden and the question is whether people will be complacent or fight back.

Yeah this. People don't like when someone is publicly being blatantly discriminatory, so we're gonna get a lot more support for this kind of stuff instead. Up until Trump does something like turning the military on protesters or some **** and it becomes actively dangerous to stand against the GOP, there will be an increase in support for the groups under attack.

It doesn't generally work in general elections, because despite them bragging about it, many people seem(ed) to think that the stuff Trump was running on wouldn't actually happen.

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I think TC is trying to sound philosophical.

I mean, they're tearing everything apart anyways. Might as well not bother hiding it.

Trump spent his first turn taking a solid Obama economy and crashing it into the ground. Thanks to covid, people ignore that we were 100% heading for a recession anyways because of Trump and his dumb**** policies.

Biden inherited a garbage economy and tried to fix it, which (when every republican was blocking everything he tried to do on principle) heavily limited what he could actually do. What it lead to was returning to economy to a somewhat stable state at the expense on inflation. And as others have said, Biden still did this pretty well in comparison to other economies.

Because Biden was president during th recovery, people are blaming him, even though he inherited a bad economy due to Trump-era policies. It's one of those things that happens damn near every conservative government. Where you get to wreck things, and then the person replacing you gets to take all the blame so you get voted back in and wreck things again.

MisterPengy posted...

Sure, but his "joke" was like saying "Isn't it weird how many black guys are criminals?" at a KKK rally

Yeah. Like tbh, there's a place that joke could have worked. It being an opener for a historically racist president, running on nazi-tier racist policies, at a rally meant to lean into a famous nazi rally 90 years earlier, means that it was not a "joke"

Smallville posted...

You believe either election was rigged?

No, but Trump saying so seemed to be enough for like, a bajillion investigations. We could use the exact same logic for 2 dozen investigations into the PA state election.

Puerto Rico voted for Kamala Harris over Trump by like 40 points.

But since Puerto Rico isn't a state, it doesn't matter.

Trump was claiming the election in PA was very rigged for a while before the election, including the day of. He seemed to know the election in 2020 was rigged, so maybe we could consider that evidence enough?

He'll never willingly step down, because he's too addicted to the spotlight. And even at 1/4 the function he was in 2016, he's still far and above the most charismatic guy in the GOP.

And it's been fairly well set up that for the next 4 years his job is basically just to sign stuff while he profits and all of the evil is done by the army of stooges in the background.

There's no part of the job designed to really stress him (because he doesn't care about the country or its people doing well) so he can just relax being the single most important person in the world until that isn't enough for him and he just declares himself king of America.

LSGW_Zephyra posted...

Then you understand that I didn't say that "Yugi didn't beat Yami" and only that you can view it from either two directions: 1. It's a legit win against a fate manipulator... which doesn't make a whole lot of sense but it's anime and ya know. Anime gonna anime oooor 2. You can think of it as a metaphor for growing up.

Basically #2 makes the most sense to me. In the same way that Joey beat Yami off screen to get his Red-Eyes back. It's not like anyone would claim Joey > Yami in any fight.

Pharoah's fate manipulation is however, basically limited to his draw phase, so its not like he can just stop something from happening.

Yugi legit beat him because he knew what kind of person the Pharoah was and took advantage of the strategy he would use. He literally just outplayed the god who can manipulate fate fair and square. Because he grew into the real king of games who didn't need to manipulate fate to be the best.

In one of the movies Yugi beats Kaiba in near the same way.

It is also a metaphor for Yugi growing up.

WingsOfGood posted...

luck is not cheating

if he bent space and time to draw the card he wanted, that is cheating

if he is extremely lucky he won fair and square

Technically, by the end of the series, Yugi could basically manifest a card from his deck so he could draw it and save his ass.

IIRC Yugi couldn't really control it to that extent, and was more like a "okay, my back is against the wall, I need one of these cards to stay in the duel another turn" and he would basically magically pull one of those cards out of his deck and put it on top so he could draw it.

A Luck boost for your card game tbf is kind of the weakest superpower from the millennium items. Yugi's just super lucky that it turns out his whole world started revolving around said card game.

This was what Trump actually meant when he said no new wars. He actually meant was that the US was no longer going to do anything, so it's a blank cheque to every authoritarian power to go ham on all of its smaller neighbours.

And the only cost is Trump and his buddies need to also profit from it.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Logistically Trump can't make good on his deportation promise. Look at the extreme efforts the Nazis went through to relocate a similar amount of people and the Nazis were actually ok with just murdering most of them. They also had much less ground to cover. The economics to do what Trump is proposing simply doesn't exist. Even if he was willing to destroy the country to do it he won't be able to do it.

Its even worse, because Trump wants to deport like, 2x as many people as the nazis ended up doing.

Even if he could somehow handle the logistics, can you imagine the economic catastrophe of the US suddenly losing 20 million workers? and then at least a million of the other available workers are busy dealing with removing the other 20 million workers who are being deported (even if here legally)

god its so depressing repubs have all the power, so were just seeing them all take the mask off and go lol dude were so fucking evil its not even funny I cant believe you voted for this shit

Its not like they went and voted for Trump - he got about the same amount of votes as he did in 2020.

Is just that about 10-15 million people decided negligently allowing trump to win via their inaction was better than voting against him.

which seems somehow worse

Trump pulls all support from Ukraine. He'll say something about peace, but it'll be spite because trying to extort Ukraine was what got Trump impeached the first time. Russia commits several more war crimes and turns the average Ukrainian into mulch, and Trump will call himself a bastion of peace because of it.

Other likely option: Trump pulls all aid from Ukraine, and forces them to give into Russia's "peace" demands - where Ukraine sacrifices literally everything Russia has taken, agrees to not re-arm, and promises they'll never join NATO so Russia can invade them when they lick their wounds a bit.

Russia will then wait until Jan 6th (or whatever) 2029 after Trump loses again to re-invade and actually kill all the Ukrainians in 2 weeks. Or they'll re-invade whenever Trump gets rid of elections because it doesn't matter what he does anymore.

She did run a good campaign pretty much up until the end when she started trying to court conservatives. Walz did pretty much everything he was doing pretty well, Kamala completely destroyed Trump in the debate.

The bigger thing is that Trump ran a horrendous campaign. He constantly shot himself in the foot, he constantly made himself look like an idiot, and ran on destroying the economy and committing an ethnic cleansing. And none of it mattered.

Thompson posted...

That reminds me, what will his cultists do if Trump instead of being ousted were to kick the bucket? I mean, it's possible he could die of (more or less) natural causes while in office.

If he dies, the GOP can probably martyr him onto whoever they want - as long as it's someone Trump happens to like when he's dying. As long as its someone relatively charismatic (so not Vance or Elon) they can sort of "pick up the torch" and if Trump's not around to fight it, it'll probably work.

The GOP was doing this with Ron DeSantis and it was working - literally up to the point he had to fight Trump. If Trump just sort of died in like, March, DeSantis probably would've been able to pick up all of that momentum from the MAGAcult and became the president-elect instead.

Dark_Moon posted...

Wouldn't surprise me, if trump doesn't go along with it, Vance will use the 25th and find a VP to help.

They're stuck with Trump. Trump will happily go along with it, because his only real goal is his own self-interest.

They can't actually kick Trump out, because Trump is who the entire GOP base is clinging to. Ousting Trump (who will definitely not be up to just step out of the spotlight) will turn the entire base against the party and probably destroy the party.

Trump knows he's a puppet. And he's fine with it as long as he gets to stay out of prison and has everyone telling him he's very smart.

That's cool. I basically haven't done any of these Tera Raid events in like a year, but I might go back for this one.

It's a huge wonder that there was such an underperformance by Kamala given how energized the Dems were behind her when she first became the nominee and even up to the election. It can't just be she was a bad candidate, because this level of bad performance is a shock to everyone.

Until way more information is made available, it really seems like 2 huge factors were the race thing and the sex thing. And weirdly enough, probably the being a woman thing more than the not being white thing.

It'll be too late. Vance was the VP pick specifically to make sure the Project 2025 stuff gets started ASAP. The 2026 midterms will likely be too late.

Or more like the collapse of the Soviet Union - all of the things that could be considered good are about to end, and oligarchs are going to take control of everything and become a whole additional layer of super-yacht rich.

Or it'll be like when the nazis came to power, and after Trump's stupid policies crash the world into a huge recession, he'll invade Canada and Mexico to get out of it.

At the very least, the two super old corrupt SC judges are now definitely going to step down, so Trump can guarantee a conservative majority court for the next like 50 years. Might add more judges just to make that gap bigger because the Dems threatened to do it.

solosnake posted...

Could it be as simple as fascists rigging elections?

Not until we get actual solid proof of it happening unfortunately. Trump's whole campaign really came off as he was winning anyways and the election was a formality, but we do need to actually be able to prove that.

It doesn't count when they do it.

The average stocks would go up, Trump is about to tear the country apart and sell it to all of these places.

It worked when the Soviet Union collapsed... At least you better hope so, because that's basically whats gonna happen.

nocturnal_traveler posted...

At this point I only have two things two believe; either the game was rigged from the start, or Humans just aren't ready for a democracy. Perhaps one day when they get tired of fascism, we can adopt a form of government that takes into consideration just how stupid the average person is.

Trump's entire campaign was running on the idea that he'd already won and the election was a formality, so its possible I guess. But at the moment there's just zero proof Trump didn't just win fair and square and for some reason, Kamala just had a monumental underperformance.

Though if the election was rigged, we'll hear about it soon because Trump, Elon, and all the people who are now going to be running the country are too stupid to keep that to themselves. Shame it won't matter.

MagiMarthKoopa posted...

Good thing Doug Ford is allocating $3B to help our crumbling healthcare and totally not preparing to send out election bribes to everyone... oh wait

Don't worry, he spent half a billion dollars of taxpayer money to put beer in corner stores like a year earlier (he's got a bunch of buddies on the boards of those convenience stores, but that's besides the point).

At least the federal government is offering him a ton of money to help support healthcare and housing... If he wasn't refusing to accept it.

You can be the protagonist and also the villain.

We'll be fine for like, a year before Doug Ford sells Ontario to the States.

If that doesn't happen, Pierre winning will do basically the same stuff Trump is trying to do, except Pollievre has nothing likeable about him.

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This is so true. Whoever TF told her she should run on "yeah I'd put a republican in my cabinet. Those people who are calling for my death and voting for the criminal pedo seem like they have good heads on their shoulders" should never be listened to again.

OverlordHorizon posted...

You think he won't survive midterm?

If there even will be a mid term.

Trump is currently down ~5-7 million from his 2020 voters. So his base hasn't really changed that much.

Harris is currently down ~20 Million from Biden's 2020 voters. Something has gone horribly wrong here.

YellowSUV posted...

Not very long, amusing he even gets one at all. Americans are pissed because of insane food and housing costs. Trump has no solutions to these and he will likely make the economy worse.

He literally ran on making the economy worse. He just said it would make the economy better.

GrandConjuraton posted...

What reality are you living in? He's not going to be in for four years.

Repubs have the house and senate too, he can just live nicely for 4 years and let all the evil go on behind him.

The GOP aren't gonna remove him - if they oust him they risk having their entire voter base (who basically views him as a god) turning on them.

Bernie was a populist in the same realm as Trump was, so maybe. He was also both white and a man, and it looks like those were two pretty big factors in how bad Harris did.

But large-scale, I don't think so. Him not hiding from constantly being called like, a socialist/communist would sink him to most normal people.

Trumble posted...

Yep. I propose we just make Canada the new America and safely dispose of the old one.

Eh, we seem likely to do the same when we have the next federal election, except or Con leader is less interesting.

NeonPhoenix posted...

I thought I just heard PA got called for Trump. Did it not yet? It definitely doesnt look likely for Kamala either way

None of PA/MI/WI have been officially called yet, though all are looking like Trump will win them.

If Kamala somehow wins all three, she'll sneak out of the election winning the presidency, but it seems like that just isn't happening.

The impending economic disaster he was running on causing is a big one.

In 2020, Covid basically saved him because he was 100% starting a recession because of his shit economic policies.