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Bananana posted...

TC, this point only makes sense if the rating system is percent based. Its not; its simply a positive or a negative rating. It makes total sense that the percent of people who liked the movie the first day would match the percent of people who like it overall.

They now base it off of verified movie ticket purchases that rated it positively (3.5 stars or higher). People thought TLJ was review bombed because it had thousands of negative ratings that weren't verified, so if anything the % is more relevant here than with TLJ.

How does the audience ratings go from 6K to 25K and the % refuses to rise or fall even by 1%? Even if everyone who rated it after 86% loved it, you'd think there would be an increase at the very least, unless literally every negative review is being canceled out with a positive one...which is in the realm of probability I'm sure

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Darmik posted...

Went from conspiracy theories to defend a creepy anime voice actor to conspiracy theories about how people like the newest movie in the most popular sci-fi franchise of all time hey.

And for both you're operating off of incomplete information and are filling in the gaps with "muh gut instinct" so I'd shut the fuck up Mr. 0/2

Zero_Destroyer posted...

because the standards are linear and defined as a score of 3.5 or higher. what happened is people who went and saw the film on day 1 were an adequate sample size that represented other people who later went & saw the film

when you back this with CinemaScore/PostTrak data it all lines up pretty well

So your big counter evidence is.....another website that records data? A website that was ridiculed by someone in the first half of this topic and according to some quick research, still gives TROS the lowest grade of any Star Wars movie ever? The evidence you provided isn't even in your favor.

Hell, aside from that all you've been saying is that "Well can you prove it wasn't a complete and total fabrication? Why would Disney (who has more money than god) POSSIBLY influence the scores of a movie in a franchise they paid $4 billion for and want to sell well?" Idk what inside sources I'm expected to reveal at this point, but I think anyone who isn't hoping that this movie succeeds can see there's some interference being run on RT. When TLJ got low scores (despite having less audience ratings than TFA so not review bombed) people blamed everything from Russian bots to "political provocateurs", but when this movie tanks with critics and the audience score is locked, "uhh well it's one of the most popular series of all time after all", good grief.

The reviews aren't tied to the audience scores, but then again when you have reviews like "I love it as all previous movies of Star Wars!!! 5/5!" it looks like there isn't much effort required for the written reviews either. I don't think they mean much for the audience ratings, but thought they weren't particularly supportive of the overall score either.

Just show this to someone completely in the dark and see if they're convinced that this is one big fucking coincidence. 18K boost in audience ratings and not a single % increased or decreased. So ridiculous

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Admiral_Zero posted...

So 3 people died cuz they used up all their energy? Seems anti climatic

Welcome to the Disney trilogy

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Zero_Destroyer posted...

Also, is there any logical reason as to why Disney would abruptly switch from paying off critics to botting specific review websites' audience scores? Like uh, is their propaganda market slacking? If Disney was paying off critics and figured that wasn't working, why would they only bot audience reviews and not just *do both*?

This is what happens when you start with a conclusion. You start making up nonsense conspiracy theories that do not hold up under scrutiny and you disregard evidence as "fake" based on your "feeling" that something is weird. All of this over a shitty Star Wars sequel

Uh-huh

-RottenTomatoes is owned by Fandango, whose CEO is an ex-Disney rep who worked there for 16 years

-It's certainly easier to influence one site than multiple critics

I'm no mathematician but at its current amount of 24841 total audience ratings, they would've needed at least 21363 to hit 86% and yet not even half of those left a review (6255) and people are claiming their unfavorable reviews are being deleted or outright not posted

So sure, maybe this isn't a tin foil hat worthy consideration

But you can't tell me there's that much of an influx of new ratings that haven't shifted the 86% whatsoever this entire time

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And GameStop has to be really upset Disney made a rare miscalculation about the popularity of its new Star Wars TV series, The Mandalorian, because there are no Funko POP "Baby Yoda" action figures available for Christmas. The figurine is available for pre-order, but it won't be shipped till the spring. GameStop has had a long-standing relationship with Funko and its POP figurines are a big part of the retailer's collectibles business, so this segment could reasonably see a nice, well, pop itself in the fourth quarter if demand for the Baby Yoda dolls is as great as many believe

Assuming this is actually true, nobody is gonna care by Spring about baby Yoda lol, it's a fad

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Zero_Destroyer posted...

i love that the conspiracy theory is that "no nuh uh disney is botting audience scores!111"

manchildren legitimately can't accept they live in an angry bubble and the general public gives no fucks about their weird online culture war

Uh-huh

now how do you explain 15967 extra votes with no change in the percentage

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I heard KH3 was hella disappointing though to long time fans

Also, isn't Iceborne just an expansion

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https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_the_rise_of_skywalker

86% at 6231 reviews

86% at 22198 reviews

Guess the only check that cleared was the one for Fandango

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ledbowman posted...

Move those goalposts lmao

Why do you keep saying this when it's not happening

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dave_is_slick posted...

But there was still one dude with a vision making sure they actually followed each other.

That too. Probably one of the reasons George didn't direct the last two is because he was trying to nail down the story

Rian and JJ however tried to double dip and multi-task

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People seem to forget that the original trilogy worked in spite of three different directors, not because of.

Disney thought they could recreate that magic but they had to bring Rian Johnson's dumbass on board

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Imagine thinking John Boyega is washed

I'm sure and know there are plenty waiting to see him in some good movies after this

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DarthAragorn posted...

Tbf adding doors does make maps way shittier

Most people run through them to open and they stay open the entire match

Shipment has no doors too obviously lol

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Why oh why did they make Han a smuggler again

He's a legendary hero of the Rebel Alliance and in the EU remains a formidable officer and role model

Why would you fuck with something so established and happy smh

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Vacant feels the same as before; they just added some obligatory doors and opened up those two previously closed buildings on the left of the map

Shipment feels about the same two, they just opened some containers and closed others so people can't get spawn trapped

And yet Reddit thinks they're both "ruined" lol

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I actually think that would would cleaner than the asymmetrical cameras we have today

The cameras this year are so good though I'm taking more photos than usual lately

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Stop fucking crossing the street at random at night

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Delirious_Beard posted...

i was told after TLJ that the critics don't matter

now that they apparently don't like the newest movie their opinion is legitimate again?

People were using critics to validate TLJ's worth in the face of backlash, people are just also applying those same rules to TRoS

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Drumiester posted...

Yep, and The Last Jedi has a higher RT score than Return of the Jedi

So either Rotten Tomatoes is too inconsistent to be reliable or the checks didn't clear this time, take your pick

Doom_Art posted...

I'm curious as to where the series will go now that the Skywalker Saga is over

It was "over" back in 2005, they'll think of something.

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Drumiester posted...

I'm sorry but ain't no Star Wars movie is gonna be worse than Attack of the Clones

>Attack of The Clones has a higher Rotten Tomatoes score than TROS

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Doom_Art posted...

You know whats great about not defining yourself by the media you consume?

If something stops being fun, you can just drop it and walk away from it.

Something happened between the release of TFA and now to have caused people to turn on the series. But instead of breaking down what that really was, or letting Disney get what's coming to them for making the trilogy nobody wanted besides themselves, you want people to stick their heads in the sand and ignore it. "Just drop it and walk away from it!" No, I still love Star Wars. I play Battlefront 2 on occasion and I'm excited to get Jedi Fallen Order for Christmas. No, those sequel movies can get fucked and if you're really as equally accepting of opinions as you say you are, you'd let people have that thought, not tell them to go away.

Notice that I never said nobody who likes these movies can stop liking them, a narrative you guys like to push as the opposite. Rather, the ones who dislike them are trying to explain why they don't like them to those people, while the ones who already dislike them can have reasonable discourse about it....in between the salt.

Also, Rise of Skywalker is now at 59% Rotten after 198 critic reviews lol

That's only marginally higher than The Phantom Menace and Attack of The Clones is rated higher at 65% with only 53 more reviews lmao

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Shipment was always a meat grinder and the people bitching about how they "ruined" it on Reddit is hilarious

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Tired-Insomniac posted...

Last time I played it was modded to hell

Still kinda fun though

I've done loads of Xbox matches this year and I think they were all clean.

Too bad Black Ops 2 is overrun with hackers, that's my favorite CoD.

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Tired-Insomniac posted...

Wish they would have just remastered MW2

I mean it's not like people stopped playing it, you know?

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Not here in particular, unless Star Wars is discussed

But man, my dumbass teenage self made a lot of enemies over at R/HH and some people still hold that against me almost a decade later

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I softmodded a PS2 slim to play my old games without wearing out the laser, only to find out it can't show up on my 4K TV in color for some reason, only B&W.

Still depressed over that

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Battlefield 5 is borderline unplayable now with those TTK changes. The meta are now SMGs and the STG-44 like some awful WW2 version of Black Ops 4.

Modern Warfare has its rough spots but it's still the most fun I've had with CoD in years. IW has released almost as many improvement updates in the first two months than Treyarch has done in the entire year of Black Ops 4.

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It'll be a PlayStation Plus game soon enough

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CruelBuffalo posted...

I dont know what that board is, but no sweat. Haha dang thats a long grudge tho

Rap/hip-hop

Considering he wonders why I'm not more concerned with my internet perception maybe that's why he thinks those old ass photos of me that occasionally get posted are supposed to be embarrassing lol

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DezDroppedFreak posted...
What the fuck is this sidebar conversation

Don't mind us. We had the pleasure of first interacting at the R/HH boards about a decade ago when I was a stupid 15-16 year old and he's been on a quest to humble me ever since

CruelBuffalo posted...

Ah Ninja is fighting with you, I thought his original comment was directed at me. Lol was like damn when did I piss in his coffee

Elsewhere he pretty much talks like people pissed in his coffee anyway lol, with all that dry humor lacing every post

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NinjaBreakfast posted...

this is a really weird reading of it

Also you're basically the least threatening most non serious person ever, "I'm grown now >:(" lol just cos you wanna be an edgy media reactionary dude on ce

I mean, clearly you think all that shit talking is still striking a nerve if you keep at it for this long, when in reality it's just annoying as shit. "Lol don't pretend like you aren't Thompson from R/HH, here's a jab to humble you" every fucking time I wanna talk. good grief, you think I don't know your ulterior motive?

Only reason I mentioned I'm grown is because that shit is just annoying at this point and I'm over it, and you see it as me trying to intimidate. You're the one reading everything wrong (especially all those shitty Quartering parallel attempts) and if you're matured even a little since we first interacted, you'd restrain yourself a little more moving forward.

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Did I say something funny NB

Doom_Art posted...
I mean that's a normal healthy thing to do lol

Maybe if you're just someone who wants something to entertain you and isn't interested in the actual quality of it. Guess the countless people who were mad at the way GoT ended weren't very healthy either huh?

I fucking get it, I really do. There are bigger things in general to worry about. But if you keep going down that train of thought then there will always be something that inhibits your enjoyment of something. "Why make music? The world will be consumed by the sun at some point." Nothing can be done to stop this trilogy, but at least we're not getting any more contributions from Rian Johnson or anyone else for the foreseeable future.

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Hairistotle posted...

ive been on salterthancrait for a month or so now. a lotta faux bogeyman shit they say. lotta misogynistic overtones, lotta downplaying of the bad actors on their side

i enjoy the actual discussion on that forum but as you go deeper into comment chains (and sometimes not even) it becomes apparent that some are using TLJ hate more as a vehicle for recruitment than genuine discussion of star wars

it's hard to notice if your passion equals or exceeds their fake passion

Well, considering that the top posts on there right now are things such as "I loved and defended TLJ but I want to now join you guys" and "SaltierThanCrait welcomes all from across the fandom with open arms", I still think you're viewing them the wrong way. Nobody blames the actors for anything that has to do with this series (but rather the characters) and even wishes them well in other movies. There's probably some awful people on this side, but in that sense it's no different than the awful people supporting the Disney trilogy.

Compare that to the actual Star Wars subreddit, which is overrun with memes and fanart and the one guy who tried to discuss the fact that Anakin basically threw his master to safety (a post with thousands of upvotes) got his post removed as "low-effort shitposting" tells me that there are no innocent sides on Reddit.

Me? As an author I'm always wondering when enough is enough in a story, if my plots are easy enough to follow yet intrinsic enough to pique interest. But as I've seen with this Disney trilogy, you can have all the funding and reassurance you can get and the shit can still suck. So I'm worrying less and writing more. I wanted above all a good story, not a self-serving one.

Either way I'm glad you expanded what you were getting at

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https://twitter.com/scottmendelson/status/1206832464770920448?s=21

https://twitter.com/scottmendelson/status/1206959342299181056

Let me guess, the vocal minority?

And by "video game plot" he's referring to the 8-16 bit era where the story was mostly a footnote in the manual

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Antifar posted...

Let's remember some of the games we played much more than they deserved because there was little else on the console at the time

Wave Race: Blue Storm

Call of Duty Ghosts

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ledbowman posted...

Every word of what you just said was cringe

Imagine having a physical reaction to the word "people" lmao

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Luke and friends had family in the EU and even advocated that was one of the biggest issues with the Jedi order before the Empire

I can't remember all the details but the fact that it worked out for that most part proved that the old Jedi order was flawed. They thought restricting love would help when it only made it worse

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Haha I thought it would be funny to imply that youre not self-conscious enough on the internet but in hindsight that's really fucking dumb so I'll just say that if I were you I'd feel embarrassed"- your stupid ass

give it up bro I'm not a fucking teen on R/HH anymore

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CyricZ posted...

So this was a ninety post topic just so you could justify hating the franchise and still go to see it anyway?

Just read a recap, dude, or wait for the inevitable 10 hour video series.

It's always a little more exciting to see a train wreck in person than to read about it, yeah

Didn't one of y'all say it's weird to hate a movie I haven't seen yet anyways

The ticket are only like $7, that's worth it for a few hours of laughing at the leaks with a friend

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konokonohamaru posted...

Better question: what were the worst launch titles?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_launch

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Imagine being self-conscious about your internet presence lmao

That explains quite a lot about you honestly

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Flockaveli posted...

Yeah but Lucas also doesn't really know shit.

DevsBro posted...

Yeah but he's an idiot so who cares

An idiot who made more sense in his own series than the entire Disney trilogy, go figure

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When I was doing voice acting training I was pretty self-conscious about the way I sounded

But jeez, walking out in the middle of a public thing sounds pretty intense.

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DevsBro posted...

This so hard

Lucas already deconfirmed this IIRC

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*puts Nintendo consoles on a dartboard, throws dart*

That one.

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Southernfatman posted...

I don't get why some people can't understand that there are people who legit didn't like TLJ.

Clearly they're just upset that all their fan theories were answered /s

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CyricZ posted...

Call of Duty, World of Warcraft, League of Legends

All things that are popular and sell well that I don't like, but I'm not going to create a Reddit, two years of complaining, and a reactionary charity drive to hammer home that point.

None of those IPs have actively did what they wanted to without any regard to what the fans wanted. People wanted another Modern Warfare so we got it this year. People wanted competitive League and now it's worth millions. The product wouldn't be consumed if it wasn't worthwhile.

Then you have Disney Star Wars over here trying to tell us that there's nothing wrong with the trilogy, just a bunch of bots and trolls, and we should consume product as planned.

At this point it's schadenfreude. The people who refused to see the warning signs are getting the awful ending they deserved, and these TROS leaks are so bad I'm willing to give The Mouse a ticket to see them for myself.

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Disney: Don't critique the film. Don't ask questions that we didn't provide the answers to. Be quiet and CONSUME PRODUCT.

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