Lurker > HanOfTheNekos

How long did it take him to make a statement?

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

So she tortured him.

Not any worse than you have tortured people with this topic ZING

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

UshiromiyaEva posted...

This being Twitch salt when they essentially established a monopoly a week ago would be....horrendously stupid.

Also they would just come out and say "He is breaking contract, so we are not allowing him to stream on our service anymore".

Since things are being kept hush, it's probably all tied up in criminal legality.

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Also that all of their friends suffered because of their desire for revenge.


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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

XIII_rocks posted...

I find this very very unlikely for the record

I think it's unlikely too. I mean, Mel didn't really want to be there, Owen was arguing for them to turn back, Manny supported Joel getting his comeuppance for murdering all the Fireflies... variety of voices involved.

But Ellie showing up at the very least rushed them to finish up the job.

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Abby didn't "cold-blooded torture" Joel, she beat the shit out of him and decided not to kill him right away.

Theoretically, if Ellie never showed up, it's possible she lets Joel live.

Her not letting Joel go after saving her is also a theme that's touched on later in the game multiple times. Her entire portion of the game is about helping people who saved her life, and she speaks often on the guilt. She still has nightmares about finding her dad dead. She knows killing Joel didn't help solve those. It's why she works so well as a parallel to Ellie who hasn't found her revenge yet.

Edit: this is a response to @Robazoid

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

TLOU had an uncomfortable ending because that was the narrative. The story completely falls apart if Joel lets Ellie die.

In this game, Ellie's revenge tale would be completely worthless without the perspective from the other side.

I don't think this game feels as good to finish, but as I said in the other topic, there's more to think about than a glorified trolley problem.

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Sorozone posted...

This is actually a great point. By the end of the game I was sympathizing more with Abby. Ellie comes off as the crazy one.

That's missing the point, a bit, though. Ellie is Abby. Just, Abby goes through that arc sooner.

They both pursued revenge at any cost, and all the better/more heroic/innocent characters (Jesse, Dina, Manny, Mel) all suffer for it. Difference is that Abby had her revenge at the beginning of the game. That's why she can let Ellie and Dina go. Her true beef isn't with them, and after she lost just about everything over the course of three days, she realizes that all that matters now is the one person left.

Ellie doesn't get her revenge until the end of the game. We don't get to see her move on from it, except to soak in the consequences of the final scenes.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I don't think explaining Abby's actions makes any difference. Again, the motives having reason was never in doubt and understanding and sympathizing with her does not mean you'll enjoy a playthrough with her.

Abby is uncomfortable, but when you see her going through Joel's arc from the first game, you grow invested. Not for her, but for Lev and Yara. Joel was never a good dude in the first game - everything good about him was through Ellie. Same deal with Abby.

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Leonhart4 posted...

I doubt you could find the opposite person who was determined to like the game and wound up hating it either. The lines were drawn in the sand before the game came out.

I wasn't even that fond of the first game by the time I was done with it, and this feels like they turned it up to 11.

I think it'd be easier. Typically preconceived negative emotions are harder to overcome, whereas encountering something you straight up hate is not toooo hard to recognize. Somebody might be very excited for the game because they loved the story despite the gameplay of the first game... and when finding out the gameplay is more of the same, lose interest.

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Robazoid posted...

I just can't imagine sympathizing with Abby at any point and I really don't trust these writers to pull it off.

Can you imagine sympathizing with Ellie? She's way worse than Abby.

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Finished the game earlier.

Been giving myself a headache reading people complain without knowing practically any details.

It's fine. It's good. I don't think it's tremendous, but the first game wasn't either. Doesn't quite have the hit that the end of the first game had, but definitely has me thinking a lot more than the one-note nature of the first game did.

The parallels between Abby and Ellie were deliciously explored. The pacing wasn't great at points. Laura Bailey is a master at her craft and never ceases to amaze me.


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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Leonhart4 posted...

Yeah, I have zero doubt the presentation and the performances are well crafted because it's Naughty Dog, but I have no interest in the story they're trying to tell and even less in the way they're attempting to tell it.

To be fair, if you read this topic, you probably don't have a good idea of what the story they're trying to tell is.

I think the gist of what I've seen since finishing the game is that people are trying to build a 1000 piece puzzles with 100 pieces, and based on those pieces they've decided they hate the puzzle. Then, as they find more and more pieces, they just stick with their set notions.

I'd be curious to see someone who decided they hate the game when they saw the leaks, then came around to it. But I doubt that kind of person would be very easy to find.

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Nothing too bad. I was just setting the stage for summarizing why I disagreed, but upon reading the topic more, realized it wasn't worth getting into.

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Should I come to your topic XIII?

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

yeah never mind I'm peaceing out

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Just finished the game. Going to read up on this topic and other topic now.

I will probably disagree with a lot of what I see you say, Biscuit.

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Heroic Bigpun posted...

I was not expecting a roblox guy

From a name like "Dr Disrespect", you know his target audience are young guys aged 9-14

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

England

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

turbopuns3 posted...

:thinking:

Kentuckiana is something most Kentuckians I know have heard of before. If there's one for Ohio, I haven't heard it. Well at least not an endearing one. FIFO - Fucking Idiot From Ohio - is maybe just as well known as Kentuckiana, though! :P

Also, not that it gets me hot under the collar or anything but it seems like you're genuinely misinformed so I'll point it out to you, it's totally inaccurate to say "half" of Kentucky is centered around Cincinatti. 25% of Kentucky lives literally in Louisville or Lexington. After that you have about 3 of the top 10 counties by population that are close to Cincy (Kenton, Boone, and Campbell). Quite a stretch from "half" of the state lol.

Yeah I was mostly just joshing lol

Cincinnati has a huge footprint in the area it services though, and a lot of that is in Indiana and KY, so it does have a big impact on the states around it.

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

lot of Cinci rep here.

Also, puns is totally wrong. Cincinnati is basically the center of half of Kentucky, a third of Indiana, and like a sixth of Ohio. Which makes the proper order "Ohio, Kentucky, and Indiana."

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

The gameplay is easily better. Way better. But still more of the same.

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Whiskey Nick

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

It is absolutely not a case of "not what I wanted" turning to "bad writing".

The game's writing is bad. I could write a lengthy essay on how it fails from an overarching narrative standpoint to individual scenes.

If you enjoy it, that's fine. I won't knock anyone for that. In fact, it's fine for a AAA project. But there are people out there claiming it's a well-written masterpiece when it's just not even close. And if there weren't people out there claiming it's a masterclass of video game storytelling (or if it didn't have to be compared to its predecessor) then it probably wouldn't get as much flack as it has.

I haven't finished it yet, but will you write that essay?

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

is it that good?

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Akkala, which was sixth, is next.

First Korok is far northeast near the Akkala Tech Lab. A little to the west, on the left side of Tumlea heights. There's a pile of leaves in the trees here with a rock under it. One of these stupid ones in the middle of nowhere.

Next two are just southwest from the north stable. One a little below the road, the other closer to Death Mountain. One is just a running around one that you have to catch.

The next is a tall pine in the middle of a grove of trees. Easy one to miss when you're just running around trees.

The fourth is South Lake Akkala under a bridge. A little rock on a ledge.

The fifth is in south Ulria Grotto. At the top of another dumb tall tree.

The sixth is at the south of the curly thing. Rist Peninsula. I had to start at the top of the mountain and chase a trail of teleporting flowers down. Not sure how I missed this one, since the first flower was really obvious, but got it all the same.

That closes off Akkala.

41 Koroks left. That's a lot for the amount of areas remaining...

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

The seventh place is Eldin.

First Korok is at Gut Check rock. Took me a bit to figure this one out, but there are rocks atop all the rocks, and I had to move one... slightly uphill.

Second is just northwest behind a rock wall hidden around a corner. Somehow this large cliffside got pretty avoided when I went here the first time.

Third is one of those time trial flying ones that is above the Goron Village... apparently I went by it one time and decided not to do it. Was probably waiting for Revali's Gale to reload or something.

Fourth is south of the Caldera. There's a lot of ridges on this volcano and I explored the tops of all of them... but this is a well hidden cave. Bombable wall with a rock Korok.

Fifth is just south of the stable under a rock.

Sixth I think technically isn't in Eldin but it's a lilypad circle in a pond to the southwest.

That covers Eldin.


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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

ctesjbuvf posted...

I gave up at 895 without Korok mask before consulting a guide in my insanity.

It's a very proud and very waste-of-time achievement for me simultaneously.

I decided early on I was going to just explore everywhere, then cut my losses and use a guide. The Korok Mask isn't good enough to help anyway, unless I was using it the whole time.


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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

1. Great Pleateau - 4
2. West Necluda
3. Lanayru
4. Tabantha - 1
5. West Necluda
6. Akkala
7. Eldin
8. Woodlands - 3
9. Faron - 3
10. Lake - 10
11. Gerudo Desert - 3
12. Gerudo Highlands - 0
13. Hebra - 7
14. Hyrule Ridge - 12
15. Hyrule Field

53 remaining across 6 areas.

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Faron was the ninth place. Hopefully it doesn't take too long here... And it looks like there are only three that I missed!

First is in Keya Pond. There's a hill here that I completely missed, but it's actually just a teleporting flower that I didn't see the first time through. This one's actually a pretty dumb route.

Next two are in Lurelin. First is on the left side, atop a tree sticking out of a roof. Just have to climb it and grab fruit, I guess.

The last one is some teleporting flowers leading up some trees on the roof of the inn. Silly. This also reminds me of having to get a stone to the top of one of these roofs - one of the Koroks I did do ahead of time. That one was also a huge mess.

Phew. I need to take a break.

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

10/15 is Lake Area. This one I might be missing a lot. There's a lot of jungle here. Not completely sure where the split is between Lake and Faron though... gonna need to look up a map.

Missing two in Laverra Beach. One at the top of a palm tree and a second to the left under a rock on the cliff. Really awkward area. Completely missed it my first time around.

Third one is in the middle of Cora Lake, and uh... I actually can't find it. Had to climb up above and look down with Stasis to find a metal box. Now I just have to find the puzzle where it goes. About five minutes of searching and I FINALLY find the puzzle on a far wall. Jeez. A lot of magnesis and cryonis later and I get it.

Following the river down a little bit further leads to a cliff where I just missed a bombable rock at the end.

I find the fifth one at Puffer Beach in a tide pool with a diving spot that's really well hidden. Instead of lilypads, this one has like, five seaweed stalks.

Sixth one is right next to a shrine, with a metal ball I have to put in a stump. Somehow missed this one despite it being RIGHT next to a shrine.

Seventh is in Sarjon Woods, on a spot I ran over twice before. Turns out there was a balloon hiding in the fronds of a palm tree.

Eighth is a rough looking slope with a bombable wall that really blends in well. COMPLETELY didn't check out this place the first time around.

Ninth is one that I missed in the middle of the great bridge. And I am completely unable to find this one. Seems like it's below the bridge, but every time I jump to look for it, I can't find it then have to swim around until I drown. I did this 5 times until I found, on a ledge... a chest with 5 arrows. Christ. Okay. Okay. This was the DUMBEST Korok. I just had to pick up the stick. There was a deku stick on a ledge. And I had to pick up it. That's dumb.

The tenth and final one was a lilypad circle on the edge of the lake that wasn't really having a cliff above it, so... got it. Done. Done with this dumb lake.


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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

CaptainOfCrush posted...

Just wondering, do you know the prize for getting all 900?

I am aware.

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Gerudo Highlands would be number 12 of 15. Except I DID get all the Koroks here! Which means we're onto 11/15, one of the large ugly chunks of area... the Gerudo Desert.

Number 1 is close to the entrance to the Yiga Hideout, with teleporting flowers leading up a pillar to the wall.

Number 2 above the shrine in the northwest of the desert, on top of a skeleton's vertebra.

That actually clears the entire desert portion. Now just the valley to the east...

Third one is southeast of Mount Nabooru, at the end of a bluff. A strange place for me to not have picked up on my playthrough. Hero's Path goes through the area. And there's a tree here... ah. I have to climb the tree. I must've cut it down the first time.

And that actually clears it. Only missed 3 Koroks in the desert. I guess that happens when you obsessively explore the whole place.


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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Let's go back to the beginning. Tutorial Plateau. Place no. 1.

First one is in the Forest of Spirits, under a rock under some leaves under a tree's exposed roots.

There's a Korok in the Temple of Time... surprised I never climbed to the top of it before. Oversight from that being a the beginning of the game.

Southeast of the Plateau has our third, atop the old man's house. I found a second warm doublet here, too!

The last one is at the bridge near the west of where the lake lets out. It's underneath the bridge. Climbing around down there, I can't get it... guess I need the raft? And nope. That didn't work. I guess it's just this log right here... I just need to unseat it. This may be one of the most complex Koroks in the game. Anyway, using ice block to lift the log over the place where it's stuck is enough to get the Korok.

That gives us four Koroks at the Plateau. Small area, but being the first one explored, it makes sense.


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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Tabantha next. It's small which will make it easy and quick. Tabantha was, by my count, the fourth area I explored. Had to get Revali's Gale quick, you know?

I was almost really proud here. As far as I could see, I got them all AND THEN THERE'S JUST ONE I MISSED.

ONE.

Southwest of the tower, a small rock hiding in the side of a hill.

73 Koroks remaining.

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Hyrule Ridge next. Hyrule Ridge was 14th, second to last place I explored. Let's see how many I'm missing here.

First is a teleporting flower in the Hyrule Lab Ruin. My Hero's Path shows me having followed this exact path before. I must've started it, got to the penultimate flower, then paused and forgot I never finished it.

Second is a hard to find one atop Lindor's Brow. Atop a dead tree that's in the middle of other trees. Doesn't stick out at all on its own. Terrible.

There's a ledge on the north end of Lindor's Brow, just below the top, that has a bombable spot with a rock under it for Korok number 3.

Number four is atop a windmill in the ravine, which pisses me off because I could've sworn I climbed ALL of these.

Fifth is a little hidden rock at the top of a waterfall on Mount Rhoam.

Sixth is a bombable rock with a rock beneath it in the north part of Thundra Plateau. Weird because I RAN RIGHT BY IT.

Southwest of Washa's Bluff has a forest with a balloon on top of a tree. Stupid. Must've been going through this place fast.

Eighth one is a hanging pot in the middle of a windmill! Jeez! How was I supposed to find that?

There's a golf course in the middle of the valley and stupid me didn't think to climb to the top of the flag. Whoops!

Tenth on a dead tree in the middle of a hill on Satori Mountain, and the eleventh just a little east in a pot in the middle of a standing tree trunk.

I must've just missed the last one here... twelfth is one of those pairs of shrines where you have to place an apple on a plate. With that one done, it appears I'm done with Hyrule Ridge.

And YEESH. Twelve missing here? And that was my penultimate area to explore... must've just been a lot of awkward territory to search through.

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Next zone we'll do is... Woodlands. Weird shaped area. If my count is right... I think I did Woodlands... eighth? Out of 15. Let's begin with the Forgotten Temple ravine...

Oh. Got em all.

First one is... you guessed it. A pot in a fallen tree trunk, northeast of the Serenne Stable.

Second is a rock on a scaffolding just southeast of the Woodland Tower.

Third is one running around the pond near the shield surfing hill. A little on the edge of the territory, but I counted it.

That's it! Only 3 here!

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

CaptainOfCrush posted...

You got 800 without using online maps/sources? That's... incredible. Good on ya bro.

No Korok Mask either. My Hero's Path looks like this...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/414238688113852447/725032901153914890/20200611_211536.jpg

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

If my count is correct, Hebra was the 13th of 15 areas on the map I explored, so I don't expect too many here.

First missed was a teleporting yellow flower.

Second was a balloon in a cave, at the entrance so I missed it.

Third is a rock in a small crag that's covered from above. Near Hebra peak. Pretty hard to see unless you find that crag entrance.

Fourth was a pot inside an overturned tree trunk on the side of the road leading to the tower.

Fifth was an ice crystal that I needed to melt on top of the mushroom rocks to the east of the peak. I definitely melted this before, so I must've just not melted it all the way or something. Not sure.

Sixth was another overturned tree trunk, west of the stable. Why is there a stable in the middle of this snowfield? Madness.

Seventh was a spinny wheel balloon shooting gallery on the cliffside overlooking the Forgotten Temple. NO idea how I missed this one. My Hero's Path runs right near. Must have been looking in the wrong direction.

I'm going to save all the stuff in the ravines for other areas, which means I am done with Hebra!

Only 7 missing Koroks out of 100 here (that's roughly average of what I should expect for each area).

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

I actually finished exploring everywhere except for final boss with 800 as my Korok count. Presumably, most of the ones I'm missing are from the places I did earlier, since I got a lot more thorough as I played on.

Starting with Hebra.

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

how much do you insult corrik in that video?

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

ninkendo posted...

that's not Xenoblade

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Leanansidhe posted...

Tag

I'm being interviewed on the wrap up show Wednesday sometime between 6 and 8 MST. I need to decide my interview persona now that I'm a ~real pro~. Do I go for the honest "people let me win because I was new" or do I go full heel???

Go with persona 1 but with an undercurrent of being incredibly predatory to where people won't believe you weren't in complete control the whole time.

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Cybat posted...

And yeah, both Spider-Man movies are great. There is a sequence in Far From Home that feels like it is lifted right out of the comics. I don't want to spoil anything because apparently a lot of people in this topic haven't seen it but it's so good.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

yeah but it had the singular best sequence in a marvel film so

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

yeah but it had the singular best sequence in a marvel film so

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Avengers: Infinity War
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Thor: Ragnarok
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Spider-Man: Far From Home

Top 5 for me, with Black Panther outside looking in.


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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

You gotta have solid alcohol offerings, but the secret with food is just to find the right kind of drunk food. No need for a big menu if people only ever order chicken-n-waffle sandwiches.

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

As a Spidey fan, it hit all the right notes for me.

So far, of all multi-movie MCU franchises, Spider-Man has the best average quality to me.

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

A barcade would probably go great then, as long as you make sure it's clean and looks nice and acts like a worthwhile establishment.

Can probably have day hours and night hours - day hours more kid friendly. Small grill menu or something. Night hours are college party city.

As long as you have one or two really simple menu items that work for drunk food, you'll make it.

Of course, I have no idea what the start-up costs look like, and that'd be the frightening part.

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

Arcades are hmph, but if you live in a highly enough populated area (near a campus too), then a barcade wouldn't be a bad business if you made sure to make the place appealing.

Probably not right NOW during COVID but it would also give you a venue to display and sell prints.

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic

A few take-aways:

1. After seeing that cinematic, knowing nothing about ARMS, I think I'd prefer Twintelle?
2. Best part was the aside about Captain Falcon's VA and how final smashes were originally planned for the first game.

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"Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic