Lurker > Haste_2

fair enough

That's an idea.

Wow, I made a big post when I coulda just simply said "it would be nice if 1/2/3's could be incorporated in the early rounds of snubs somehow so that people don't manipulate their setlists". ;)

I'm looking forward to this! I know I've said too much already, but stuff has been on mind concerning the snubs bracket.

NFUN posted...

In the snubs' bracket, songs will be chosen according to the placing in your nominations. The first three songs will be chosen without replacement from the songs in the 4/5/6 slot, and the next two songs from the 2/3 slot. The finals will use the 1 song.

The primary issue there is the temptation to not order your music according to what's recommended, because people want to ensure their game wins a match or two. (e.g. putting your strongest track in slot #4) I'm sorely tempted to take advantage of that situation myself. Now, I understand you're trying to make things as simple as possible, so I will try to come up with the simplest solutions.

Solution #1:
Instead of doing just 4/5/6 music for round 1 in snubs, make matchups possible for music in ANY slot to be possible in the first round or two, but keep things basically the same otherwise. (clarification: this isn't being purely random like in the main bracket. Music in a particular slot would have to up against music in the same slot number)

Solution #2:
Currently the first three rounds of snubs are reserved for music in slots 4,5, and 6. I might suggest the possibility of allowing music from slots 2 and 3 (maybe even slot 1, too) to be in the early rounds, but this solution is a bit different. The slots should be shuffled around as the rounds progress, according to some predetermined order. For example, we could do something like...

R1: Slot 2
R2: Slot 5
R3: Slot 6
R4: Slot 3
R5: Slot 4
R6: Slot 1

And then to actually incentivize the proper ordering of setlists, this predetermined order is something that only the host knows in advance!

In addition, I would argue that slot 1 doesn't necessarily need to be reserved for the snubs finals... doing this could still result in unwanted manipulation of the ordering of setlists. And it would be a shame if 62 games never get a chance to use their best song. Finally, there are ways to make the finals climactic even if their #1 songs have been used previously.

Okay, so we do get to decide how many alts are on our setlist! Awesome.

NFUN posted...

Games that appeared in BOST 5 are eligible, however, I ask that you refrain from reusing tracks from them that appeared in last year's main bracket if possible.

I'm assuming you mean that we refrain from reusing tracks that were on BOST5's main bracket setlists? Erm, that is, I'm assuming you are talking about tracks that were in actual matches last contest that should be excluded? (as in, anything on a setlist that hasn't been in a BOST5 match is still fair game?)

NFUN posted...

Songs from official remix albums, soundtrack-only songs & arrangements, trailers, etc, are fine. I only ask that the majority of tracks in the main setlist be VGMC eligible (ie, play in-game or are soundtrack-only but not remixes).

Oh, so Final Fantasy Distant Worlds music is eligible? Or Final Fantasy Piano Opera? Some of those say they are published by Square Enix, so would that mean they're official? Not that I would try to include such music because I think those would go too much against the spirit of the contest, but I'm just wondering...

NFUN posted...

There will also be a snubs' bracket. It will also be 64 songs, single-elimination, and it will take games on an auto-include basis, with the number of games a nominator gets to include being correlated with how many of their nominations got into the main bracket.

I'm not sure what "auto-include" means? Hopefully the nominators get to decide which of their games will fill their allotted spots in snubs?

Another thought on secondary pools: it would be cool to put as much music in the secondary pool as you want for a given game! I think lots of people would like that. Think of it... Some people might wish they could put 20 songs in the setlist (you know...disagreements), so the nominator could choose to have the six in the setlist and fourteen others in the secondary pool! Some people might not like that, of course, so the nominator has the final decision on whether to allow that.

Cool stuff!

At first, I was a bit worried of the idea of having more than seven songs because I assumed they would all be on the same setlist, which would put games with small soundtracks at a disadvantage from the outset. But having a secondary pool after the initial six or seven songs get used... that sounds good! And I really like the idea of 1/2/3's being the focal point of the losers bracket, as it increases the overall quality of the matches. Last contest there were loads of games that never got a chance to use any of their top three. Anyway, with the winner's bracket being completely random in conjuction to how the loser's bracket works, we now have an actual incentive to keep the top three strongest tracks in the top three of the setlist.

And as for tiebreakers using music from the secondary list...I guess that's fine. It opens up a lot more potential music to be used, which could be fun. It's definitely better than the old way of doing tiebreakers!

Overall, the new system of setting up matches seems to be a huge improvement over BOST5! I'm still a bit worried about a potential large increase in nominations, though. In BOST5 we had 175 nominated games. I'm expecting at least 225 games this time if nominations are done the same as last time. We had a cap of seven nominations per user in BOST5. Should it be dropped to five or six this time around so we're not as overwhelmed with all the music to go through? (and also... please don't remove the snubs bracket!)

tazzyboyishere posted...

Ah, thanks anyway!

Don't give up. You're running your own ranking topic. This gives you leverage.

Yes, it would certainly make things less stressful during nominations. The downside is that we could have the strongest song in one setlist going up against the weakest of another setlist. It's true that the double-elimination bracket is a partial solution to that problem, but....

I thought of an additional solution: songs get ordered like before, but it's not up to the discretion of the nominator-- it's decided by volunteers who rate (or rank) each song they come across during nominations, for given setlists. (not everyone would be required to do it) And the order of the setlists would then be determined by the average rating.

Then we could either decide pairings by exact ranking in the setlists (no randomness), or we could still decide to have some degree of randomness (but not too much, otherwise it defeats the purpose of the above paragraph) in the pairings if we wanted. Like, perhaps we could allow a maximum difference of one (referring to order in the setlist) in a given pairing, if that made people feel better for some reason (e.g. a #1 vs. #2 or a #2 vs. #3 are allowed, but not a #1 vs. #3).

Mario

Chaeix posted...

the first game that popped into mind was one that i didn't nominate a single thing for in vgmc oops

Think of BOST as a chance to give your game's music exposure. Then the chances of getting its music in VGMC will be better!

NFUN posted...

Seashore Probe ~ Wopal (Battle)
Mothership Probe (Scenery)
Unfathomable Darkness
Yggdrasil
LEYGENDER
STRUGGLE TO LIVE
The Whole New World (Full)

What a pleasant surprise!

Okay, if you and Toxtricity do one album, then I can do the other album. >_> (of course, I could collaberate with you guys on it) Toxtricity is back for this contest, then?

Hopefully these questions don't kill this topic!

1) There's a game I want to nominate that has only six songs in total. Is it eligible? I'm assuming each setlist is supposed to have seven? If the seventh track is still specifically for tiebreakers, I figure that would mean this game would simply not have a tiebreaker song. (and if the game ended up in a tiebreaker match, I guess it would just have to be DQ'd?) However (going off on a tangent), if we're no longer doing 1/2/3 and 4/5/6 tiers anymore, I feel like there's less of a need to use the seventh song specifically for a tiebreaker in this contest. I'm curious as to how we'll handle that seventh slot this time around.

2) You already partly anwered my question about allowing bonus tracks. I might suggest a limit of one or two per setlist, rather than three, but for sure I'd love to be able to have at least one OST bonus track on a setlist!

3) Here's a new idea: What if we allowed multiple soundtrack albums be from the same game be allowed as separate contestants? You know, like PSO2 volume 6 and PSO2 Volume 8....? (I have no plans to nominate PSO2 as a whole, but I would nominate a specific volume if allowed!)

Suikoden II

I only voted in like two matches, but this contest had the correct winner! It's my favorite movie of all time.

Lion King

Hbthebattle posted...

just put them all in a google doc link and then send that

Once I found out you can only PM three posts at a time I realized that is the only option. >_>

I can only PM many write-ups to you at a time, soooo... yeah. I'll just wait until you open those, and then I'll send you some more, rinse, and repeat.

drop:
Lunar 2: Eternal Blue Complete - Crowded Street Corner
https://youtu.be/V3jru8_hq_s

add:
Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon - Mist Continent: Noe Town
https://youtu.be/2xIX_2hj5UI

At first I thought there was no town theme from PMD worth nominating, but I forgot about this one! Not that I consider it an all-time favorite, but it is hb doing this topic, sooooo....

Theme of D4
The Lost City
The Merciless Savior

-(PHENYLALANINE)-
Supper Woods
Halo

Switch to

Prophecy

Breath of Forest
SaGa Frontier 2 Medley A -LoV Edit-
abstain for now

Breath of Forest (9.7 - 1st place) / CHAMPION RITUAL (8.4 - 20th place)
You Will Recall Our Names (8.2 - 24th place) / SaGa Frontier 2 Medley A -LoV Edit- (8.73 - 15th place)
Para Bellum (7.9 - 29th place) / how do you think? (6.9^ - 45th place)

Cubone
Espeon

Dang it. Gengar >>> Haunter!

Cyndaquil
Pancham

Krokorok
Mewtwo

It's not Kadabra, but I'll vote for Pikachu.

Storm of Fine Weather
Sogno di Volare
Into the Woods!

Storm of Fine Weather (8.3 - 21st place) / Seashore War (5.4 - 60th place)
Nocturne (7.7 - 33rd place) / Sogno di Volare (8.9 - 11th place)
Into the Woods! (9.05 - 8th place) / LIN NE KRO NE (8.0 - 26th place)

Espeon

Go my Milotic!

Oh, no. Yggdrasil is out! Save us, Necessary Discrepancy!

Necessary Discrepancy
Egg Reverie
Emmental Catalepsy

Mystic Pendulum (8.0 - 34th place (tie)) / Necessary Discrepancy (9.1 - 8th place)
Egg Reverie ~ Extra Boss Theme (8.0 - 34th place (tie)/ 46-:ri9 (8.4v - 19th place)

As long as I'm well-hydrated, I would take 95 degrees.

I'm not a fan of all these pending dates and uncertainly. I prefer to have things set in stone.

Ah, crap. I mixed up the game name and track.

- Castle Gardens | Cotton Fantasy: Superlative Night Dreams | https://youtu.be/dNZ4Gmgyo-4

+ Cotton Fantasy: Superlative Night Dreams | Castle Gardens | https://youtu.be/dNZ4Gmgyo-4