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LordoftheMorons posted...

The wall is actively bad, not just a colossal waste of money (disrupts wildlife, forces use of eminent domain for no good reason, etc)

Oh, I'M aware. But at least if we're going to waste our money on some frivolous bullshit that actively damages our country, I'd rather not have to pay for it out of my own pocket. They want to fuck up the country, they can pay for it themselves.
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Honestly, if Trump voters want to spend their money on a pointless wall, rather than mooching off the tax dollars of the majority that didn't vote for the wall, then I'm fine with that.
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Stephen and Kass
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Underleveled posted...

Some wrap up thoughts before bed...

I stand by my DVD cover - Nick, Mike, Angelina, Davie, Christian, Gabby.

People I see as returnees, in order from most to least likely - Christian, Angelina, Gabby, Davie, John (if they can make it work; Jeff said he was tough to get due to scheduling). I can only see Nick on an all winner season. I dont see him coming back for a standard all star season.

Lastly I really dont get why Jeff doesn't like this season (if that's even true... I only ever heard that like third hand). On paper it seems to have everything he would have wanted. Some strong personalities, gameplay that ran the gambit, a very Jeff-like winner, and the theme played out well.

I mean, it's possible that he was hoping his buddy, Mike, would be the winner. Especially since Mike hit a lot of the same beats as Nick.
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andel posted...

i dont understand how someone can hate good/strategic players in games like survivor/bb like tc does. what is the payoff in constantly rooting for the worst players available?

Because "good" is subjective. And too much "good" gameplay leads to one of two things: you either have a "good" strategist that manages the other players perfectly, finds idols, and dominates the game until we end up with an extremely boring and obvious winner (Redemption Island/Ghost Island, except it was a 50/50 between the two dominant players that made the final vote kinda interesting but otherwise ruined the rest of the season), OR you have everyone making trust clusters and voting blocs and showing no personal connections because all that matters is strategy and highlighting your resume.

Sloppy players lead to more fuck-ups, which are interesting in and of themselves. And more fuck-ups means a much more fluid game, which means more characterization and personality.
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Naye745 posted...

this was a pretty great season, underwhelming ending aside. my gut instinct is to put it right behind kaoh rong, but it's a top-tenner for sure

and i'm really surprised inviso is so down on the finale, given angelina was ridiculous and hilarious throughout, saving us from just the boring march of nick winning

That's just it. I ONLY had Angelina in that finale (who was obviously never gonna fucking win.) Other than her, you had Davie (who was likable enough, but delved into gamebottery too often), Alison (boring as fuck), Kara (only rooting for her so I could be smug), Mike (was a shitty, boring gamebot until the finale, where he became a weird mess), and Nick (literally Spencer if Spencer won a season of Survivor.)

Eliminating Gabby/Christian back to back right before the end, and then giving the win to a whiny, entitled little shit...it drained a lot of the enjoyment I had for the season, especially since the penultimate and antepenultimate episodes were SO strategy-focused and soulless, even during the family visit.
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I meant specifically the whole "I'm a David and I beat four Goliaths by myself" ending in terms of ego stroking.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

So it followed GC/HHH in the fact that the person you wanted to win didn't win. Got it.

No.

Going into the endgame of GC, I had a bunch of characters to enjoy and root for, and they got picked off one at a time, with the episodes becoming blander and more soulless until the bullshit finale where you had advantageddon, Aubry underedited, Brad being a dick, and boring Sarah winning.

Going into the endgame of HHH, as you saw in my FY18 ranking, 6/8 of the final eight were characters I found amazing and fun. And then they were picked off one at a time until the endgame, where Ben just found idols every round and then was gifted a surprise fire-making tiebreaker to give him a win.

Going into the endgame of DvG, I had Christian/Gabby as wonderful characters and potential winners, Angelina as an amazing character, Davie as an interesting personality, and Kara as my hope to fuck with the producers' desperation for big moves and advantages to dominate all. And then Gabby/Christian go out after Nick becomes increasingly whiny and entitled, leading up to him winning in the most ego-stroking bullshit ending possible.
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So I'm tentatively ranking DvG 17th overall. It's better than HHH because at least the ending was fair and not bullshit, but still, it followed the same pattern of GC/HHH with a really strong and interesting season right until the last three episodes sent things careening over a cliff.
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So Wendy's our first boot next season, right?
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eaedwards6400 posted...

Inviso posted...

This season is pretty much HHH 2.0 for me. Great for the first 75% and then took a nosedive when Gabby/Christian got booted, followed by the s***tiest character in the entire cast winning.

Dawg. Seriously, a top 10 and now you're gonna let your blinders for Nick have it dropdown with HHH. There really may be no helping you.

Keep in mind, I liked HHH to a potential top ten spot until the ending too. It was only those last three episodes, when everyone I liked got booted in order to usher in a shitty Ben win, that it turned bad. It's almost EXACTLY the same, except replace bullshit idols/surprise fire-making with three straight immunities.
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This season is pretty much HHH 2.0 for me. Great for the first 75% and then took a nosedive when Gabby/Christian got booted, followed by the shittiest character in the entire cast winning.
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Ughhhhh...Davie, don't play into the theme...
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Gabby <3

Won't do shit for Angelina, but still, way to call out the double standard.
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Take a drink!
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eaedwards6400 posted...

Why would we want Angelina to win? She said it herself she is unbearable!! Lol

Because the other two are shitty gamebots and Angelina would actually be fun to win.
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At this point I'm rooting for Mike just so Nick DOESN'T win.
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Mike being paranoid makes me feel like Mike is gonna win.
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This won't happen, but what if Nick desperately wants Mike out as a threat, thinks Angelina is a better bet at making fire, and Mike beats her at fire-making?
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eaedwards6400 posted...

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Angelina is such a hilarious try-hard, and I love that no one respects her.

Don't you hate Try-Hards? This is the part that I dont understand.

There is a difference between being a try-hard that is treated positively, feeding into their delusions (see Brett Robinson), and one that is highlighted as being a negative try-hard.
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Angelina is such a hilarious try-hard, and I love that no one respects her.
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Even if Alison goes home, the fact that they managed to make this boot fun in spite of it being obvious is GREAT.
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It has been FAR too long since we had a good villain like Angelina on this show.
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Angelina is so fucking amazing.
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I doubt this boot is anything but a straight-forward Alison elimination, but I'd love it if Nick was so bitter (and worried about Mike running the show) that he teamed up with Kara/Alison to boot Mike.
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The Mana Sword posted...

Shane powers memorial challenge

This is the Kass McQuillen memorial challenge.
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GTM posted...

character

I mean, yeah, it's character...but like, it's the final 5 and you're whining about not getting your way...fuck off.
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This whining is annoying.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

Yo, Nick has more character than Spencer brother.

As much as I hate him, at least in Cagayan, Spencer was a decent antagonist. Nick is just Cambodia Spencer.
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SUCK IT, NICK!

Whatever undermines that obnoxious little Spencer wannabe. This episode is making me root for Mike, even.
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Angelina is such a wonderful villain.
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Alison
Dan
Alec
Christian
Davie
Kara
Mike
Nick

Eight unique immunity winners in a row.
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XD

She really is the best character this season.
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C'mon Angelina! You can do it!
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Also, lol @ Jeremy and Alec not being there.
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The Mana Sword posted...

what if mike won

Almost as bad, but at least a Goliath winning would subvert the theme.
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Praying Nick loses. This season has been too good and chaotic for a bland producers' pet to win.
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I noticed it. I noticed that you're the worst. :D
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Sven/Uku out?
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Dragon66116 posted...

free save

Meg please
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Arkham Origins please?
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