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Anyway. Are you able to confirm that your role changes functionality?

And are you aware FD claimed to give you a pineapple.

Ctes why do you trust blade?

Your role seems inconsistent.

Yes...? What else have you got.

Ctes is finally going to show up as soon as i fall asleep.

Homestly I'm more annoyed that there was a big block of posts and none were. From ctes.

Death i hate you.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Active night

Really waiting on ctes.

Pinkie

It was peaf at 4 me at 3 before the ben chaos started.

Like. Maybe i was miscounting tell me if i was wrong. But it looked like Peaf was going to be lynched.

Then people went crazy on ben, then reversed to peaf.

There are probably some arguments to be made about alignments with ben out of that.

But saying "lol saving red" is a load of crap.

Like i dont mean to tell people they are this dumb but.

If you think I'm scum you also should know just by fucking numbers that you are arguing thst was town going crazy.

So to say "omg scum was saving red" is fucking stupid.

Urpassed by peaf. But fuck if i could tell how that went.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I meant your lynch.

You were surpassed by Ben and then by Peaf.

I thought i was already s

Like if people wanted to lynch ben we had 47.9 hours to mske the argument.

Turning it into a special was ???.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Red seemed solidly on the sidelines by that point

There wasn't anywhere to be. People went crazy.

It was frustrating to watch.

Kirby321 posted...

There was absolutely ZERO reason not to lynch an unclaimed Vanilla yesterday,

What are you trying to say here kirby.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Stop being so good bro lmao, cant believe I thought this was

Ulti what are you even on about.

TotallyNotMI posted...

I think we know Ben neighbored Kirby, didn't they say that?

Oh we misplayed everything didn't we...

fd can you repost your spreadsheet

I think i may trust ctes.

Though there is a piece of the puzzle here that doesn't add up.

What do you get back anyway FD. some variant of "action successful"?

Sorry if this was answered before innocuous thing i am curious about.

How much do we trust ctes, role meta aside?

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Hey, Ulti

THIS is what TMI looks like

FD i already said multiple times yesterday that if he doesn't claim something substantial he should be murdered.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I gave my love to Ctes last night

Ctes? Curious.

changmas posted...

if he claims vanilla we are killing him

Hes not claiming vanilla.

changmas posted...

lets say you are right.

why exactly do we care about a 3p who hasnt show any ability to kill town yet when we have a much more pressing issue of multiple scum players still alive

We dont. Thats why we dont touch him.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

So how is this ANY fucking different than me saying role meta (ie his CLAIM which would have to be a GAMBIT if it weren't true) is the best thing he has going for him?

You're saying the exact shit and calling me wrong.

Role meta says his claim is shit.

If you gave me a list ofclaimed roles with no players I'd be like "lol scum that one".

Like the game is themed heavily on the corpse investigation and the scum doppelganger. A role that doesn't play into that for most of the game is actually out of place.

The IGCD clear is based upon the player. Not the role. And at least imo, the lack of interest in attacking him for 3p when the role he claims fits perfectly as a 3p setup.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

What are these "things" you speak of?

That igcd isn't a gambitting type, mostly.

But none of igcd's role is the least bit confirmed.

Nor is town killing power a necessity in the setup, especially with scum numbers ambiguous.

Also kirby the gist of it is that ulti essentially claimed a role that is on a timer and instead of letting that timer tick down you went for the hero play.

Its really fucking annoying.

Hell igcd hasn't shown a role period.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Role meta dictates IGCD should be town

There are things that make igcd town and it isn't role meta.

Also mostly just holding onto my horses because ctes needs to have shit to say.

Kirby321 posted...

So in a sense, we got an inno Cop scan on Ulti.

I dont think this is necessarily true actually. I would be careful about things like that.

More likely, but dont treat it like an inno scan.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Red(clear attempt to save Red yesterday in all the commotion)

Clear attempt from who how many scum do you think there are.

And what danger was i even in when all that commotion was taking place.

Also kirby that was a bad play i think.

I got a lot of Mystery Dungeon loyalty to Chatot.

Fuck fandom.

Chang murdered a broken as fuck role when he could have easily justified killing corrik.

Kirby321 posted...

Oof nevermind I like MI again.

##Unvote
##Vote: Red

The fuck are you doing kirby.

I dont claim flavor.

Unless there is specific game relevance.

NAI.

Also before anyone freaks out at me, yes I'm prepared to follow people onto peaf is that is something people think is a preferable direction.

I never consider my own opinion infallible unless i think there is a perfect solve(which yes sometimes i can be wrong shut up FD).

PunishedBen posted...

I was not prepared to spare Red though and dont really know where to go from here. That's like the first Red post I actually like >_>

I've been trying my best all day to get people to prepare to evaluate game state with red as town.

Meow1000 posted...

I still find it curious how seeing that claim made me think Corrik was probably town yet some people really seemed to jump on it.

I thought he was full of shit scum but nothing from corrik surprises me.

The vanilla claim made more sense but i didn't have enough justification to suddenly think he was town.

UltimaterializerX posted...

So Red AND Peaf finished on MI day one.

Id like reasons from both.

i love more competing lynches as town on day 1 and MI never pinged as anything more than a background player with little conviction.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Sorry, what is it that you believe to be my wincon?

I dont know. I'm just spitballing.

But your role is nonstandard and has a condition.

Maybe you are just town, but you are never going to be met without some skepticism from me with that claim.

I dont think i left out anything important.

I am still confused with how much ben has been called 3p with igcd sitting openly with a 3p win con on the board all game.

It gives me slightly greater town lean to ben.

Anyway let me just lay out what is in my head.

Game state says i should want to lynch MI or Peaf.

Why i probably lean MI: As someone that has nailed my head on a pike as scum with good reason, this has been weak. He feels like a follower on my lynch rather than having any conviction. He hasn't been particularly strong hunting scum and has shown even less interest in actually helping with a solve. Its one thing to be wrong, but to be wrong and lazy doesn't feel like town. Town should be skeptical. MI the whole game has just felt lacking. The biggest thing he had going for him yesterday was i thought he had solid takes on corrik scum, but corrik flipped town.

Reason to not lynch him: the roleblock. This gives me the biggest hesitation.

What about peaf? Peaf has been tunneling the fuck out of me and my stupid brain still convinces itself town is more likely to have nerve to come after me than scum. This is not a townread of him. And i know at least 1 person recently figured this out and abused me with it. He still could be scum. But he hasn't crawled far below expectations like MI.

The rest:
Ben: so many people floating 3p for him is weird.

FD - has gotten a lot of credit for not contributing nearly as much as people seem to recall. Should oddly be skeptical of mzero because their roles fill a similar niche. Not sure anyone has pointed this out. I dont trust FD.

Mzero - FDs claim actually made this fit significantly less. But the way no one brought any of this up keeps my confidence in him being town. Its actually very possible he bamboozled us all but it is a claim we are safe not worrying about for a long time.

Ulti- stole lopens role? Possible. Again not a tree we bark right now but scum not shooting for protection makes his claim weird. But he is cop claim with a scum role to counter cop on the table. Speaking of, that actually points to a possibility of a no godfather game. We've kind of taken that for granted. Odds are ulti is fine. But the strong power roles all claimed have played out weirdly.

Death - people think hes godfather. I dont know why we bark that tree this early. Good game from him if hes scum. I maintain little interest here.

Ctes - you've seen my thoughts. If you all are shits and do murder me dont forget them.

Blade - i feel like corrik really fucked us if hes scum. I think he gave him easy outs to look like town and its hard to ever see beyond those. Shots from scum say hes probably just town but if not blame corrik.

Ive scumhammered like 3 games from Disneyland and 1 from Disney World.