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I just dont think he makes that post as scum. It doest make sense from scum Red perspective who looks like they are getting killed today. Also I think the last time he didnt claim flavor he was town (though correct me if he didnt claim it last game)

its only a choice between Peaf and MI for me to be clear

I was not prepared to spare Red though and dont really know where to go from here. That's like the first Red post I actually like >_>

Leafeon13N posted...

Anyway let me just lay out what is in my head.

Game state says i should want to lynch MI or Peaf.

Why i probably lean MI: As someone that has nailed my head on a pike as scum with good reason, this has been weak. He feels like a follower on my lynch rather than having any conviction. He hasn't been particularly strong hunting scum and has shown even less interest in actually helping with a solve. Its one thing to be wrong, but to be wrong and lazy doesn't feel like town. Town should be skeptical. MI the whole game has just felt lacking. The biggest thing he had going for him yesterday was i thought he had solid takes on corrik scum, but corrik flipped town.

Reason to not lynch him: the roleblock. This gives me the biggest hesitation.

What about peaf? Peaf has been tunneling the fuck out of me and my stupid brain still convinces itself town is more likely to have nerve to come after me than scum. This is not a townread of him. And i know at least 1 person recently figured this out and abused me with it. He still could be scum. But he hasn't crawled far below expectations like MI.

The rest:
Ben: so many people floating 3p for him is weird.

FD - has gotten a lot of credit for not contributing nearly as much as people seem to recall. Should oddly be skeptical of mzero because their roles fill a similar niche. Not sure anyone has pointed this out. I dont trust FD.

Mzero - FDs claim actually made this fit significantly less. But the way no one brought any of this up keeps my confidence in him being town. Its actually very possible he bamboozled us all but it is a claim we are safe not worrying about for a long time.

Ulti- stole lopens role? Possible. Again not a tree we bark right now but scum not shooting for protection makes his claim weird. But he is cop claim with a scum role to counter cop on the table. Speaking of, that actually points to a possibility of a no godfather game. We've kind of taken that for granted. Odds are ulti is fine. But the strong power roles all claimed have played out weirdly.

Death - people think hes godfather. I dont know why we bark that tree this early. Good game from him if hes scum. I maintain little interest here.

Ctes - you've seen my thoughts. If you all are shits and do murder me dont forget them.

Blade - i feel like corrik really fucked us if hes scum. I think he gave him easy outs to look like town and its hard to ever see beyond those. Shots from scum say hes probably just town but if not blame corrik.

Okay fine. I don't think Red makes that post as scum. He just tries to shut up and say as little as possible here.

##Unvote

Emphasis on OPPOSED though. All of you people requoting it are scaring me you want to special him when he's asleep lol

Kirby321 posted...

What if we lynched Death just for fun.

No logic
No conspiracies
Just because we can

The innocent scan is the only thing making me opposed right now

Did red ever claim flavor

But I'll only accept them in the form of song. In fact, if you just want to copy paste that exact song back to me I'll become bullet proof tonight

Saying goodbye to Red
Was the hardest thing to do
But when someone's a jerk and vanilla
They're ain't nothing left to woo

I'm getting rid of Red
I'm getting rid of POE (he's a no good V)
I'm getting rid of Red
I'm getting rid of POE (and he's so spicy)

But now that I got that out of my system. I'm open to alternative arguments

I was bluffing about BP in order to set up future possible town clears. Hope you read that part...

UltimaterializerX posted...

This is why I don't think Red is scum, btw, and that scum is all over his lynch.

Can you explain? I actually just need help reading him here

PeaceFrog posted...

Yeah I'm really starting to think i was wrong about Corrik, guys

This post at least did feel natural from Peaf because this was after Corik claimed in the final 5 minutes, and anyone's switch should have flipped to thinking he was scum by that point.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

We still don't have votes from Ben, Blade, Chang, Ctes, Death, IGCD and Red.

IGCD gets a pass because he has to be the final vote
Ctes gets a pass because he is apparently unable to vote

Where do the rest of you stand? Are you all so worried to weigh in that you haven't cast a vote on anyone yet today?

I feel like I've made it clear my "vote" is on Red and I like him the least in the game currently. I've just been not voting I want to see how everyone else votes and I dont feel like I need to fight for anything at the moment with Red in the lead

htaeD posted...

Man now I want to ctrl+f if Ulti ever said TMI before.
Then again it doesnt even make sense for a scum to say that 'Mi has too much information' unless MI and Ulti are scum together to be honest.

Yes, he did. I remember him using it incorrectly as a generic "you're scum" and had a little chuckle to myself. It very likely might have even been in toy story mafia that I'm remembering it from.

Eh, i thought Ulti was clearly town before the cop claim. I liked Ulti before he was cool. Why would I question that now? On the chance Lopen was exactly cop? Everything he's done makes sense, including making a scan that doesn't make any sense as the game goes on past day 1 and 2 lol.

undefined posted... Blade

I don't like how Red went from agreeing with me that Ben was scum to trying to coax Peaf into lynching me early in the day.

Leafeon13N posted...

Are we really going to ignore context of ben claiming bp at the time.

No I thought Blade was talking about day 3. And yes, you did seem to drop this entirely

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b32ae272.png

I just ran with what others suggested, but if there's 3 or more it doesn't change the things I have stated. I have not been capping myself at 2 in these reasonings

Leafeon13N posted...

And if you need clarification to my question.

You have basically stated to me you think there is 1 scum in peaf and MI.

So where are you going from there?

Not necessarily. Red + Death is still possible but I wouldn't readily lynch an innocent scan without trying to flip a godfather first

Leafeon13N posted...

So where do you think the rest of scum are located?

Well do you think the last two scum are exactly Peaf and MI?

You said it yourself that a Peaf + you combo doesn't make sense, so I'm just extending that a bit.

So is it just Red and MI for me? Feels like scum has no chance to win if that's that. I'm fine with that, but it's usually not how things go. Is it Peaf + someone outside of that? If it's someone outside of that then it's probably someone no one can expect to be scum right now, least of all me. Or just death lol

So to actually answer your question, the only person I can justify being scum right now outside of the 3 vanillas is godfather death. Anything else is something we're not seeing until more is revealed or unexpected night kills happen

And if either Red or MI are scum I think Peaf is town. Thats the important part for me

I can a least say this. There is no way scum is Peaf + MI OR Peaf + Red

Just Peaf in that group of 3 is possible. Two that are not Peaf is possible.

This is why: Peaf early on day 2 says the POE is himself/Red/and MI and that we should all be looking at them and no one else.

Yes it is weird to include himself, but it tells us one thing. If peaf is scum then he's trying to sacrifice himself to protect someone not in that POE. He wants town to burn through that POE while someone on the side gets to the end. I do not think Peaf is the first to call out that POE if both him and his scummate are in it. He is always trying to get us to focus on that POE.

So either Peaf is the only scum in the trio or he is not paired with another scum in it. That's the vibe i get.

Maybe I just like peaf. Because if Red flipped town I would just be more convicned that Knightz really did town clear Blade, Peaf, and Red, than I would readily accept that Peaf was the scum between the two of them >.<

Kirby321 posted...

Hell if I know, dude. Ben pointed out that the scum vote stealer dude person could've also sent in the kill. We don't know. It's pure speculation. For all I care, you're the Godfather. That's not why I think you're scummy.

Honestly, I've been flip-flopping between you, Peaf, and Red. Like I said before, if I could triple day vig you all, I would.

I felt similarly last night when talking to Mzero, but, at this point I think I like the other two much more than Red.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Lmao.

##vote: Chang
##vote: Kirby
##vote: Blade
##vote: Ben
##vote: MZero
##vote: FD
##vote: IGCD
##vote: MI
##vote: Red
##vote: Peaf
##vote: Ulti
##vote: Death

You forgot to unvote so they didnt count

Unless they're just stupid again. But that would be the third game in a row now

TotallyNotMI posted...

You know if the vote suppressor is a scum power they massively fucked up by not using it on MZero. What an easy way to frame someone.

This feels like a critical point where there's something we're missing. Why is scum even risking using it on Ctes if there is a major risk of Mzero stealing it.

PeaceFrog posted...

I gave my opinions on mi but i don't think you value them :(

I'd like if anyone else can chime in with how they interpret Knightz' vote on him d1 in hindsight, and their other interactions on d1.

I think mi had a really ugly topic 9 but his t1 looks pretty town. So I'm definitely torn.

You mean this?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3b6dc49a.png
It did look completely out of nowhere at first, but i think MI's own interpretation makes sense that maybe Knightz was just echoing others around him. He did do that quite a bit, even in his first town game.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/ef66e4e0.png
I'm also trying to treat Knightz' spew as less valuable on the chance that he didnt have much interaction with his scummates on discord and didnt always know who they were.

If he did, it still points to Red and Peaf both being town...and that feels impossible right now

Peaf, including yourself in the POE is weird, Ulti was right about that. Why lol

I'll take your explanation for what was going on because apparently i need educated

If you both are scum, you cant exactly support each other. Everyone's POE was narrowed down to Peaf/Red/MI at the start of day 3

I'm still open to the possibility

Leafeon13N posted...

These are in fact on the table, yes.

Hell if i was in your position as town I'd be paranoid that he had access to your chats somehow with a flavor mistake that glaring and on the nose.

Well my senses may have been dulled to the gas leak that year

Leafeon13N posted...

This is a stretch imo ben. Definitely shouldn't be flavor clearing from your pov because its a weird mistske for both of you to make at once.

? That just makes it way more understandable to me why FD made the presumption. What's the alternative? That he's evil Pierce who thought he could get away with saying there's no evil Pierce in community? That we're both scum?

Leafeon13N posted...

Wait what.

FD sent me his sperm night 1 (I heard pineapples makes your sperm taste sweeter). I figured whoever sent the sperm was Peurce Hawthorne. This is a bit like Mr. Spell in the last game, where it's a flavor clear on that player because they're a town flavor. During the day FD winked at me with a kissy face, so I then knew FD was the sender. I wiki'd the evil study group to refresh my memory on who is the scum flavors, and on the wiki it doesn't mention pierce at the top and says how the timeline was created by Pierce's death. This makes sense because they only introduce an evil Pierce later on in season 4 in one episode that no one likes, where they reveal he faked his death. I forgot about that, so I told my neighbors and myself that FD's flavor is probably town because "He's Pierce and there's no evil Pierce"

MI reminded us that we're both wrong. The fact FD was wrong about this means he did the same exact thing as me. And it means he certainly not evil Pierce, otherwise he wouldn't have pretended evil Peirce isn't a thing lol

Forceful_Dragon posted...

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I'm glad we learned there was a clear flavor split before I had to claim. While Pierce is ultimately a good guy, he is sometimes played as the jerk of the group, but at the end of the day he doesn't have an "Evil" version like the others do. The other 6 turn evil because in that timeline Pierce was accidentally killed by the gun from Annie's purse.

To be fair, I also falsely remembered things this way and told as much to my neighbors that you probably aren't scum because "there's no evil pierce". But I guess that's out the window

HOWEVER. The fact that FD remembered it this way and also forgot about evil pierce means there's no way he's faking it and ESPECIALLY no way he is evil pierce. So congrats, you're town cleared anyway

Leafeon13N posted...

Literally said to lynch wallz over him.

Oh, I guess I was thinking day 3. Don't think Wallz had any room to be protected by his team though when Kirby claimed roleblock on wallz.

Leafeon13N posted...

Has ctes said this is refreshing or is it just the same action running in perpetuity?

By his reaction at the start of days he seems to get a notification that he's blocked each night

I've been waiting to use that one. What if I was
Leafeon13N posted...

No, it really isnt. I always talk about making the safe play when town is up.

If I'm scum there, i push corrik, easy. Especially with wallz also being a broken as heck role. And only having to talk to chang.

Who did you push if NOT corrik?

TotallyNotMI posted...

His flavor and his role don't make sense with the rest of this town. I don't buy it.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4e007608.jpg

If MI was blocked then it means he not only didn't do the kill, but also didn't vote block ctes.

What's curious is that mafia have continued to use the vote block even though they were in horrible danger of that player being taunted each night. It's starting to feel like they're not worried about that happening. Is that risk really worth it to block ctes? Or, the most likely scenario is that the killer is just the same person doing the vote block.

Well I was expecting strongman to be used early in the game, and if I died that quickly then none of this would have mattered anyway, because yes I'd need at least two people alive after me to cooberate with each other that I told them I was bulletproof. And then the conclusion should be obvious from there.

And yes I would love to stop explaining myself too. Tomorrow hopefully I can refocus on talking about something other than me

Well, that was only when I died, it would show that scum didn't know I was BP

So I WAS aiming to die this game! ....as long as i successfully kept neighboring town.

The thing is I was aiming to neighbor town, not scum. I was pretty certain all of the people I targeted post Chang claiming were town, so acting like I didn't trust them wasn't the angle, and I DID trust them. So potentially 100% confirming them by telling them all I was Bulletproof was a better use of my power.

Tbh, I was just trying to think of the absolute best possible way to use Neighborizer as town. ....And my experimenting may have gone too far. I realize after your explanation how similar it feels to last game, but that was not my intention. >_>

I didnt see the downsides besides lying, but everyone knows I don't mind doing that

Kirby321 posted...

While I did forget about the flavor scan part, honestly, I did find that part weird... because why would you need to flavor scan me if you trusted that I was town and openly claimed my flavor lol

That was 100% me just trusting you, and part of me figured some of it was BS. But in any case, if you're third-party, you clearly have no intention of scum siding, so if you need a leash, we got you lol

Still, if you're not actually Bulletproof, I'm not sure what your end goal would've been if you actually got shot and killed by scum. Which begets the question of why even do the reaction test in the first place when it'd have the chance of backfiring and sowing needless paranoia.

But I'll get off your back and let you do your thing. I am pretty damn certain you're not scum at the very least.

If I got shot then it basically confirms all of my neighbors town because they shot me even though i said I was bulletproof.

It wasnt supposed to backfire if you all trusted me and didnt out it like you did lol. But it can only backfire on me at worst, and I can defend myself. Otherwise its a useful reaction test. And if I did neighbor scum then its a great way to either figure that out by their reaction or dissuade them from shooting me

TotallyNotMI posted...

This is a bad post. I made a post expressing doubt over the claims then continued to post analyzing things in more detail and came to the conclusion that the majority of the claims had to be real. It's cherry picking an older thing I said and already worked through to make me look bad.

I was catching up through the posts I missed and saw that for the first time and thought to ask. I just saw this post, which I assume is what you're referring to unless there's more. I'll refrain from commenting till I read everything...

TotallyNotMI posted...

okay so we're at what 13 alive

scum has 3-4 left

If it's 3 we have 4 more mislynches before mylo
If it's 4 we have 3 more mislynches before mylo

so yeah I think logically it's best to let ulti/blade be? If Blade is scum (which I don't think anyway but), they can't kill Ulti. If Ulti is scum, they can't kill Blade and Ulti has to keep giving us scan results.

Leafeon13N posted...

If you are convinced ben is town you should be lynching blade, tbh.

Stop trying to make red scum for phantom reasons.

Can you elaborate?

ctesjbuvf posted...

So why did you tell it in a neighbor chat?

ctesjbuvf posted...

All fine answers imo.

Still very curious about telling about BP in a chat.

Well now you know. Part of a reaction test and contingency plan for protecting myself. BP was the best thing I thought i could get away with with my flavor, but since Kirby didnt know the flavor at all I added that I would be able to flavor scan him too if he posted my poem. He posted it immediately, no questions asked.

Nah, Mzero is still the #1 most town cleared person in the game due to the way Taco interacted with Knightz. I can show work if needed but thought it was fairly obvious

TotallyNotMI posted...

all these claims are giving me a headache i believe almost none of them

Thats a bit of a copout. Game has to have a doctor and cop right? And why would scum claim it so early? Ulti has been hinting since day 1. Whose claims are you referring to when you say this?