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Salrite posted...

Any other proper platformer you can theoretically do just as well the first time because you're presented with all the visual information you need.

Yeah and this is true for Sonic as well. Sonic absolutely gives you all the visual info you need.

Salrite posted...

you can't possibly know where the path you choose will take you until after you've experienced it over and over.

Why would this be a problem? Each path leads to the end of the stage.

Salrite posted...

A perfect run (without any pause in momentum) can ONLY be done on a replay.

Yeah and I don't see a problem with this... I'd say this actually applies to most good platformers.

adjl posted...

There's some truth to that, but because other platformers don't put quite so much emphasis on speed, that learning curve is more consistently fun. A lot of older Sonic levels fall more toward "this will be fun once I figure it out well enough to go fast," while other platformers manage "figuring this out is fun, and it'll be even more fun once I figure it out well enough to go fast." The flip side, of course, is that once you figure out the Sonic levels, they're designed to let you go super fast and feel awesome, so there is a payoff that isn't necessarily there in a lot of other platformers. The road to get there just isn't the greatest.

That's fair, but I think Genesis Sonic can be plenty fun to learn. These games are actually pretty forgiving, especially compared to a lot of other 8 and 16-bit platformers. You're nearly invulnerable in ball form. You can take all the hits and, as long as you hold on to at least 1 ring, you won't loose a life. Honestly a lot of the time you can totally afford to be a little reckless in these games.

Zeus posted...

As others have noted, the fact it was built on a speed gimmick is undermined by the fact you can't just play the game quickly until well after you know what you're doing and have gone through levels countless times.

Right... The more you play the game, the more you learn the game, the better/faster you can play it. It's like literally any other platformer.

AltOmega2 posted...

the first Sonic Adventure game isn't even THAT jank

It is jank but people absolutely overstate how buggy it is.

man101 posted...

if any given Sonic game post 2000 had been functionally identical but with an independent IP cast and title, it would have been rightfully ignored and condemned to the garbage bin of gaming history.

Nah, they certainly would not have sold as well but they still would have likely gotten about average to good critical reception and still be fondly remembered by a lot of people.

adjl posted...

In my experience, older Sonic games tend to be built around the idea of "if you know what you're doing, you can go super fast and it feels awesome." The flip side of that, though, is that if you don't know what you're doing, you're frequently going to break that flow state and be left with platforming and controls that are kind of clunky because they're designed to work for going fast and not for carefully figuring out an unfamiliar level.

I feel this much better describes the newer Sonic games - post Unleashed - rather than the older games. There's nothing clunky about how Sonic controls in the Genesis games.

It also helps that the Genesis games are also pretty forgiving, they're really not that difficult, especially compared to a lot of their contemporaries.

It's pretty difficult if you don't know how to BLJ.

There's a lot of things I dislike about win11 but I'm pretty neutral on the UI, it's mostly fine after I make some quick adjustments.

I hate the new context menu but I can revert it back to the win10 style menu with a registry edit. I'm kinda annoyed that I even need to go into the registry to fix this but whatever. On the other hand, I really really like having tabs in file explorer, this is something windows should have had forever ago.

Mania and 3 & Knuckles are pretty close for me. I think Mania is a better game in some ways but half it's stages are retreads, and while I really like how they went about remixing stages, I have to give the edge to 3 & Knuckles for being a wholly original and cohesive adventure.

Adventure 1 and 2 are still my favorite 3D Sonic games. They're kinda dated and not as polished as many later 3D Sonic games, but I still feel they're the most compelling and the most fun to learn.

Also, the original Sonic Riders goes hard. Easily my favorite Sonic racing game.

BK is neat. It feels more like an adventure with a sense of progression with all the moves you unlock throughout the game. It definitely doesn't top Mario 64 for me though.

I've only ever had dried jackfruit. I like it though, kinda tastes like Juicy Fruit gum.

I loved BotW but I still haven't played TotK and don't really have much of a desire to right now.

I'm almost always down for replays of OoT and MM. Those are still my top two favorite Zeldas.

That's why I opted for the gamecube version of TP. I knew I wasn't getting a Wii anytime soon.

The gamecube version didn't come out until almost a month after the Wii version too...

Hylics is one of my favorites.

It's an RPG Maker game where almost all the NPC dialog is procedurally generated word salad. It's also generated on the fly so the word salad will be different every playthrough.

The last couple times I had pizza, they were just lazy homemade naan bread pizzas.

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Emulation is great and at this point, it honestly is the best experience for a lot of older systems, but I still like to fuck around with original hardware. Lately, I've been getting into more softmodding and ODE's. Last year I finally installed an HDD with FreeMCboot on my PS2 and that has been awesome, really breaths a lot of new life into the system. I also got myself a Brooks adapter for my PS2 which allows me to use all kinds of more modern controllers.

I wish I still had a CRT, and I still might get one at some point but it's not really a priority for me now. I got myself a RetroTINK 2X Pro upscaler and I'm over all pretty happy with it. It does have some kinda annoying limitations though, like not being able to accept 480p video which makes it not really ideal for some later SD era systems like the Gamecube, Xbox, or Wii.

I love Link's Awakening but I wasn't very impressed with the remake. It's fine I guess but I prefer the DX version.

The only edge the remake has for me is the sword not taking up one of your item slots, which really cuts down on menuing. Hero mode is nice too, I guess.

I really like the Wii U Pro. The Switch Pro is pretty nice too, I just wish the dpad didn't suck so bad.

Mario 64 is still my favorite Mario game and it's not even particularly close.

Mario World is easily my favorite 2D Mario game though.

It's a live service game so that's what I expected.

At this point, I would have been happier if they just remastered the first 3 games and be done with it.

It's not the full game but someone did remake the first mission as a VR game...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igtAYD906Xs

Japan has a really toxic work culture.

I'll be sure to pop a gummy in celebration of our lich king.

I just got Freedom Planet for switch. Bought it from Best Buy back when they used to sell LRG stuff

teddy241 posted...

Call it something else I don't care what but stop re writing history.

Now I'm not totally sure but I'm thinking Snow White isn't a biopic.

Kaiba is the only billionaire I'll stan

I can always fuck with some earl grey.

I really like some ginger or peppermint tea as well.

I recently tried "loose leaf" chamomile (whole loose buds, rather) for the first time and that was amazing. Much richer taste than from a tea bag.

A sonic the hedgehog fanfic.... yeah.

In late 2006, I read a fanfic on the IGN boards called "The Emerald Hill Horror". It was a horror slasher parody deal where tails goes crazy and starts killing other sonic character with a chainsaw and I really liked it, It was pretty ambitious and really funny, or at least my 12 year old self thought it was funny... Fan fiction were a fairly new concept for me at the time and this one was one of the first significant ones I remember reading.

I've been searching for it on and off for years now. I don't think it exists on the internet anymore. I've come across references to it and even some fan art of it but the fanfic itself is lost media as far as I can tell.

The remake has some nice QoL improvements but I never cared for it's aesthetic. DX looks way better.

For the poll of the day, obviously.

I installed a hard drive with FreeMCBoot on one of my PS2s so I've been playing a lot of PS2 stuff lately.

Mostly focusing on the SSX games, Katamari Damacy, and the first Ratchet & Clank.

They learn to art.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b68y7byyWZo

I'd be all over a new Ape Escape.

lol, it's already canceled

I don't like tiktok and I understand the security concerns but I think a nation wide ban is fucking stupid.

SomeUsername529 posted...

They're not fun and their basic concept (go really fast through levels) doesn't even work.

It works just fine, actually.

Skill issue.

Who is acting like Astrobot is a "groundbreaking" game? I thought everybody liked it because it was just a fun and simple 3D platformer with a AAA budget.

I just want another 3D sonic game in that style, it doesn't need to be SA3 specifically.

The boost games are mostly pretty good and are much more polished but I still prefer the adventure games.

ConfusedTorchic posted...

it also is paywalled on yt music, so you should probably look in to that

I should have specified I mostly use it for podcasts nowadays and background play still works for podcasts. But I guess it doesn't work for music anymore. I didn't realize that changed...

I use the youtube music app a lot on mobile and it's nice. I don't have premium or an adblocker on my phone and I barely get any ads on there.

I can also play stuff in the background, which is a feature they paywalled on the main youtube app.

The lion king 2019 is (unfortunately) the second highest grossing animated movie ever. Mufasa probably won't top that but I can see it easily reaching 1 billion. The sonic movies aren't anywhere close to that.

OHJOY90 posted...

Sonic R - Release Date: 18 November 1997
Sonic Adventure - Release Date: December 23, 1998 (JP) & September 9, 1999 (US)

So I doubt Sonic Reused assets from Sonic Adventure (especially as Sonic R was released for the Saturn & Adventure the Dreamcast), but you might be right about Sonic Jam as they were released in the same year for the Saturn.

Also: https://www.sonicstadium.org/forums/topic/21684-about-sonic-jam-r-models/

Loved playing Sonic R on the PC as a kid, still have the soundtrack on my phone, and use Can you Feel the Sunshine as a ringtone.

Well Sonic Adventure started development on the Saturn before switching to the Dreamcast. Sonic Team likely used some of what was done on the Saturn as the basis for the 3D world in Sonic Jam.

And I like Sonic R as well. The controls are kinda weird but they're actually pretty easy to learn, and the level design was really interesting and unique. It really could have used more content though.

keyblader1985 posted...

The aptly named Yu-Gi-Oh Forbidden Memories is objectively a terrible game, with AI that changes its cards on the fly to beat whatever you have, a poorly executed gameplay system, all the best cards locked behind an all but impossible purchase price, and a lethal nonstop boss rush at the endgame. But I loved it at the time and sank possibly thousands of hours into it.

Ever since my save file was deleted somehow I can't bring myself to ever play it again though, because despite what it does right, by all rights it isn't a good game.

I played this a lot back in the day as well and yeah.... it sucks. The game is insanely grindy and the AI cheats really brazenly. It had a really cool atmosphere to it though and the OST was amazing.

VioletZer0 posted...

I adore Sonic R because it is such a vibe.

It is a weak game because it is blatantly made out of leftover assets for Sonic Adventure. Only five levels is not nearly enough and it is way too easy.

Not so sure about that. Sonic R wasn't made by Sonic Team. You might be thinking of the 3D world in Sonic Jam, which was probably made out of an early build of Adventure.

The engine for Sonic R was originally made for an F1 racing game, which explains why Sonic kinda handles like a car lol.

VioletZer0 posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjREyGgR2yg

People always meme on this track but I've always kinda dug it. I like how crusty it is.

Hylics

I don't know if it's the weirdest game I've ever played but it's a pretty cool game.
It's an RPGmaker game with a surreal claymation art style. Most of the dialogue and narration in the game is procedurally generated word salad that's generated on the fly. The game does have a story but it kinda takes a back seat since most of the dialogue is basically gibberish.

DeathMagnetic80 posted...

Good lord lol

To be honest, the game has a 99 lives cheat code and I absolutely took advantage of that, and that helped A LOT.
The bulk of the stages are actually fairly easy... once you get used to the fucked up controls. But even with effectively infinite lives, some of the later stages are absolutely insufferable...

Another game I really dislike that doesn't have the reputation of something like Bubsy 3D would have to be Sonic 4 Episode 1. Easily my least favorite Sonic game. I can't think of a single positive aspect about this game, it's just shocking how bad it turned out. It was originally supposed to be a mobile only game and it should have stayed that way.