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...but what about forwards compatibility? The only system I know of where this issue comes up is the original Gameboy. As most of you probably know, those black GBC cartridges can actually be played on an original GB, with the only price being a loss of color. And surprisingly few (good) games aren't forwards compatible in this way.

I bring this up because a friend and I were getting into a debate about the best-ever handheld system. I went with GB for the forwards-compatibility, and he said that if that counted, a bricked PSP should win by a large margin. So do you think forwards and backwards compatibility are different enough to consider one but not the other?

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Oh, and just to be clear, I'm not lumping anyone on this topic specifically into the above characterization. But really now, who hasn't heard both of those sentiments time and time again? Quite the double standard!

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This topic makes me realize that, man, nostalgia is a powerful thing.

On Resident Evil 5 -> "God, the AI is so stupid! Why am I required to have a second player to fully enjoy the game?!"

On Secret of Mana -> "Why are people complaining about the singe-player? The only correct way to play is with two players, obviously! Can't blame the game because you have no friends!"

But whatever. 9/10

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Girls like guys who are risk-seeking, narcissistic, Machiavellian, and exceedingly confident. That's what this entire "alpha" thing boils down to. And while it's completely spot-on, this is also trivially obvious. If betas don't want to believe this is true, then by all means, let them continue to have poor success with women. There's no "winning" or "losing" here, honestly.

Oh, and a question for "alphas": seeing as you have the key to easy ****y, why not spend those skills towards a more serious relationship? Because if you have problems with non-casual relationships or a mistrust of women, those are problems equally serious with the voluntary ignorance of betas.

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DeathChicken posted...

She looks like 12

Only read up to page seven, but... call me superficial, but... man, this chick is just... let's go with "unpalatable."

lol whiteknighting. I feel legit bad for Spoony, crazy **** or no.

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I really can't stand this alpha/beta nonsense (protip: getting women is easy and doesn't require hours of mental conditioning unless you're socially disadvantaged), but I'll tolerate Nietzsche criticism even less. Don't hate on the prophet, people.

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iiicon posted...

Fire Emblem DLC!

We've been getting a steady stream of DLC for a while now, actually!

I really have no idea what this could possibly be about. Hopefully it's more Nintendoland coverage.

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thundersheep posted...

It's not hard. The argument is that while both things are terrible (being raped, and being falsely accused of rape) we should not focus on false accusations because it may only work to hinder people from reporting rape, as when stories like this get big they often cause more people to look at rape accusations with suspicion which really isn't what we should be doing.

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The story is sad no doubt, but getting people to look at accusations of rape with more suspicion is literally the worst thing that could come out of this, and it is also one of the most likely.

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Let me see if I understand this correctly: we shouldn't condemn false rape accusations- accusations which can permanently ruin a person's life and, for the moment, come with no serious repercussions for the false accuser- because this will discourage people from reporting actual rapes? Not only do I find that correlation highly specious, but even were it true, you're saying that it's okay to scapegoat innocent men in order to promote the reporting of rapes. That's... yeah.

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DeepsPraw posted...

The thing is, false rape accusations are incredibly rare. MRAs like to pretend they're a serious problem, but they just aren't.

On the other hand, sexism and misogyny permeate every aspect of our culture.

I know I'm just jumping into the conversation here, but two things:

1) Sexism is more prevalent, but false rape accusations are more damaging.

2) False rape accusations are, unfortunately, fairly common. I have no idea what "MRA" is, so I'm speaking from personal experience here: one of my better friends was almost thrown out of university last semester on just this kind of false charge. The real story, of course, was that the chick wanted a one-night stand but expected a more serious relationship later, and, after feeling "used," decided to go on an inexcusable smear campaign. Thankfully, the evidence was so overwhelmingly against this slut that nothing major came of it (other than his reputation being permanently damaged), but I cannot overstate the seriousness of this kind of charge.

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Entire article was terrific, but that last line... GAME OVER, PAL

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foolm0ron posted...

From: Westbrick | #027

I really hate to break it to people, but Islam and Western secularism are competing, mutually exclusive conceptions of social life.

Very solid trolling. I almost responded seriously to this one.

k

Not trying to derail this discussion, but too many people are going to get on Apple for being "bigoted." As if all cultures, even those with competing agendas to our own, should be respected. I find it pretty ballsy on Apple's part, although the backpedaling and DAMAGE CONTROL is imminent and inevitable.

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Fire Emblem.

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Amazing film.

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As bad as this is for Apple's PR, it's a good opportunity to re-emphasize that the "love and tolerate Muslims" thing is a naive fantasy. I really hate to break it to people, but Islam and Western secularism are competing, mutually exclusive conceptions of social life.

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EmDubyaSee posted...

From: Liquid Wind | #186

the league is blatantly ridiculous, the most biased officiating year in and year out of the major sports by far. you all know it and complain about it, but you'll still be watching it next year anyway

NOPE.


I said my peace to it last night.

The only thing this joke of a league means to me anymore, is draft spots for the Wildcats to use as a recruiting tool. Till David dies, or retires (I have a preference, I won't say which) I am done with the NBA.

Thank god. Now you can pick another hobby you ramble on about without understanding a damn thing about it.

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Mershaaay posted...

Westbrick posted...

I like this proposal, but the problem is that it wouldn't apply to those in the lower class, who are living paycheck to paycheck and won't be motivated by some long-term incentive.

That's what Medicaid is for

So you're in favor of Medicaid then? Many Republicans I know aren't, but I can't speak for you personally.

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5/10.

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Mershaaay posted...

Solution to get more people covered: Everyone who has insurance (either individually or through their employer) gets a check every year.

There's your incentive to buy health insurance, and a nice tax refund to boost business while we are at it.

I like this proposal, but the problem is that it wouldn't apply to those in the lower class, who are living paycheck to paycheck and won't be motivated by some long-term incentive.

TheCapisBack posted...

Mershaaay posted...

Solution to get more people covered: Everyone who has insurance (either individually or through their employer) gets a check every year.

There's your incentive to buy health insurance, and a nice tax refund to boost business while we are at it.

Isnt this essential whats happening now? Everyone has to buy insurance, but they get a tax credit towards the endeavour. isnt that essentiall the same thing?

Not really. Almost everyone's insurance today is covered through one's employer, and it's those who don't have access to stable jobs that are the real concern when it comes to going uninsured. Another part of the reason Mersh's idea falls a little short.

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You know how you have some people who just cannot be around others or out in public for any extended period of time? This is the extroverted equivalent.

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"Certified fresh" is hardly good news for a Pixar film, though. I'll still end up seeing it, although the idea that large chunks of the movie pander to merchandising is hugely disappointing. I thought that's what Cars was for?

btw Vampire Hunting wit Lincoln sittin pretty at 60%, hell yeah

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muddersmilk posted...

Sweet, that was what I was hoping for.

The fact that it forces people to have it rather than just providing an option for everyone is what annoys me about the bill.

It's unfortunate, because had the bill simply taken the equivalent in tax dollars and then redirected those funds towards purchasing healthcare, it would've been entirely constitutional. As-is, however, it's hard to justify (although remember that Obamacare is rather watered-down, and this is coming from a conservative).

I predicted a 5-4 decision Against a few months back, and I stick by that. This'll be what ultimately swings the election in favor of Romney.

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Uglyface is joking, right?

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...Are people seriously attributing YOLO to Lil Wayne? It's Drake, and The Motto is probably the single biggest summer jam this year.

silly people

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Sigh. Why does any topic involving "alpha" / "beta" males always get so many posts?

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Procrastinater posted...

And probably my favorite picture of her.

...damn

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Are you happy with the somewhat convoluted direction the KH plot has taken?

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FE6 hard mode is hell, if only because of the unpredictable enemy-phase reinforcements. So damn frustrating.

Anyway, those who are thinking of getting FE13 when it comes to America will be pleased to know that not all DLC is for-pay. Many new characters and maps (not to mention several dozen earlier FE cameos) are available for free on SpotPass, making an already series-longest campaign even longer. It's good stuff.

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kirby

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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Why wouldn't we, though? Think about it for a second. It's an intellectually stimulating pursuit, that just so happens to benefit everybody else in the long run. What downside is there to making sure some people take the bait?

The bolded part is tangential. If philosophy is concerned with truth for truth's sake, then whether or not the truth benefits society is a separate issue. For the record, I happen to agree with you about philosophy's social value (although my stance is more nuanced; not everyone can or should "handle" philosophy).

ViviffTheMobile posted...

Oh and I minored in philosophy, and I'll tell you that having professors that know philosophy is WAY better than learning it on your own or through some secondary subject. It's really easy to "philosophy wrong" and professors are great at being able to steer you in the right direction, and even help you skip over common mistakes that most people including themselves made. I mean 10 weeks from a philosophy doctor in a the subject of your choice, or trying to do it on your own? I don't understand why philosophy is suddenly different than any other subject when it comes to how to learn it. No one studies Sociology on their own and claims to be an expert. Philosophy PhDs basically have no choice but to go into academics, so why not get lessons from the best there are out there?

You put it about a hundred times better than I could! I feel that philosophy suffers the same fate as subjects like English and politics: unlike, say, physics, which has clear intellectual barriers to entry, philosophy is one of those things people believe they have a "right" to do well without any formal training. It's the same reason every other Joe Schmo feels the need to talk politics with the pretensions of an expert.

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foolm0ron posted...

From: Westbrick | #067

A "practical" response to such questions would be to ignore them.

Way ahead of you

Atta boy.

KanzarisKelshen posted...

Incorrect. The heart of practicality is optimization of resources. One resource is our creativity, which is limited by our conception of reality. A less than perfect conception of reality will yield less than perfect fruits. So setting aside a portion of humanity to investigate these questions is in fact a smart move.

You seem to be approaching this topic from the mind of some SimCity player, where we need to make sure a certain percentage of the population is tackling some particular aim (here, philosophical problems). That's fine. It's also not really relevant.

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foolm0ron posted...

What if I said that that question is impossible to answer, because truth and practicality, at least for humans, are not independent things that can be compared side-by-side like that? Without seeking truth for the sake of truth, practicality is unattainable. And without a practical end to the truth, no one would seek the truth. Like you said, everyone pursues some sort of practical end to the truth, no matter vague. I suppose theoretically it is possible for someone to only seek truth for truth's sake and absolutely nothing else, an absolutely pure creature of truth. But such a creature cannot exist in humanity.

This answer is probably going to drive you crazy... but this question about the interconnectedness of truth and practicality is itself a question dealing with, and consequently a prioritization of, truth.

It's also a question that falls under the same umbrella as many similar, post-Platonic questions that have redefined the aims of philosophy in the past two hundred years. What are the limits of truth? Even if we have access to truth, why concern ourselves with it? Why value truth over untruth? All of these may seem to be "practical" in that they're critical of reason, but it is reason, in sensing its own limits, that demands we ask these questions. A "practical" response to such questions would be to ignore them.

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psychward posted...

Truxton

Suxton


Oh, and nominate Sonic CD. so good

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RySenkari posted...

What happens when technology reaches the point that there literally aren't enough practical jobs for everyone (i.e. we can automate manual labor and even simple mathematical jobs), to the point where maybe only 10% of humanity can actually work? Assuming that we can also completely afford to have government provide $100,000 a year worth of goods/services to the remaining 90% of humanity (again, via technology), would you be all right with this or would you demand that SOME sort of artificial manual labor be required for the other 90% to receive government benefits?

I can't even imagine a situation where this would be a problem. Even if machines take over for all manual labor jobs, people are always going to either find or create new markets and niches to work in.

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foolm0ron posted...

From: Westbrick | #052

Since everybody likes clear definitions, let me provide one: by "philosopher," I mean "someone who approaches truth for the sake of truth alone."

I like that, but what if you seek truth for the sake of truth, and also for some practical end?

That's an interesting question. And everyone does pursue something other than truth alone, whether it's teaching or travelling or something completely unrelated to the philosophical lifestyle. Ultimately, the tension can probably be resolved by asking the question, "If truth and some practical end conflicted, which would take priority?"

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ToukaOone posted...
I'm going to guess that you're a fan of some type of moral nonrealism (as in, morality isn't a law that we can find somewhere in the universe).

Correct. Moral realism is an impossible position to hold, by the way.

In which case, you still can talk about how humans have become deluded enough to believe that morality exists, or why do some people adopt some moral systems rather than others or, how we can implement specific branches of morality that people believe in etc. etc. etc. Those are all complex questions yes, and they may not have good answers, but surely there has to be a plan of attack on how to answer those questions too, right?

Yes.

I also happen to be an immoralist in the Nietzschean sense, meaning that I believe most "moral" judgments are constrictive Christian residuals that limit mankind's growth and potential, especially in a post-religious world where most morality is clung to out of habit and/or cultural inertia. That's also why I have a problem with strict scientific realism, since it has many core Christian principles buried beneath it. Except for that last sentence, this strikes me as something we can probably agree on.

Or your objection could be to the "well even if there is a solution, we can't expect there to be a consensus!". But then you'd have to answer why for everything we consider "solved" that we typically do expect consistency among experts or the form of the solution. You don't build a bridge if the calculations come out completely different every single time, why should it be different for any other field, unless you feel like the field is "unsolvable" in which case why toss people uselessly onto an unsolvable problem?

You'll have to clarify what you're getting at here before I can properly address it. Are you saying that philosophy is unique in what we expect as far as consistency among experts goes?

Perhaps ethics is a uniquely bad example, pick your poison: Nature of the universe, cognition, epistemology, theology, human behavior. Either way, the criterion remains the same: How the hell do we know if philosophy is doing anything at all?

You're asking the wrong question. As philosophy is concerned with the pursuit of truth, "how do we know if philosophy produced practical results?" is, philosophically, secondary to "why should we value practical results in the first place?" or, my personal favorite, "how do we evaluate the truth value of 'practical' information?"

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foolm0ron posted...

From: Westbrick | #049

Why? Because they're more "practically beneficial"?

Because they are are all also philosophers

You think so? As someone probably going into law, I can tell you that lawyers certainly aren't philosophers. If anything, they descend from the lineage of sophistry, i.e. the antithesis of philosophy.

Since everybody likes clear definitions, let me provide one: by "philosopher," I mean "someone who approaches truth for the sake of truth alone." This would preclude people who draw a line somewhere and refuse to dig deeper, as well as those who pursue questions of truth only for some immediate or crude, practical end. I feel this definition captures what most people mean by the term, but feel free to disagree.

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ToukaOone posted...

Okay can you list the number of things that
1) Philosophy has solved (For example, if philosophy has solved ethics, we should expect there to be consensus on something or some real world effects that extend beyond "oh there's this egghead who said this thingie")

Natural philosophy has solved innumerable practical problems, something I'm sure you'd agree with. More abstract philosophy doesn't concern itself with practical application, but has discovered and clarified a tremendous deal in the spheres of logic and ethics.

2) Is not incorporated outside of philosophy or incorporated in such a way that it's strictly inferior to philosophy's conception of it (A counterexample would be Kantian (??? Not sure) versus the General Relativistic conception of space)

Trivially easy: political ethics versus philosophical ethics.

3) Is important in contexts beyond simple rent-seeking or status jockeying within academia?

Philosophy, at heart, is concerned with truth. Not sure how I feel about your characterization of searching for truth as "status jockeying."

The only thing remotely coming to mind right now is the philosophy of cognition, whose practitioners resemble neuroscientists more than philosophers. I can't name anything right now where I would go "Gee, I sure wish we had more philosophers in areas X, Y and Z" as opposed to, let's say, computer scientists, artists, engineers, business people, lawyers or historians.

Why? Because they're more "practically beneficial"?

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foolm0ron posted...

You're still missing the question that I am trying to pose here, which actually makes me question your philosophical ability.

got em

Why can I only learn philosophy from someone that is specifically trying to teach me philosophy? Why is philosophy learned in a philosophy class 'pure', but philosophy learned in a CS class 'indirect'? Is there some sort of "philosophy mode" that you have to be in to learn philosophy? It doesn't make sense to me.

Philosophy professors are experts in philosophy. Political science professors only know philosophy well insofar as it intersects with political problems. Learning philosophy properly, i.e. thoroughly and guided by a true master, demands taking a pure philosophy course. Not sure how this is remotely complicated.

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Call me old-fashioned, but I feel experts are the best place to start when exploring a new discipline for the first time. They've exhausted all the material, know what's accessible to a beginner and what isn't, know which texts are worth reading and which aren't (naturally a little more contentious in philosophy, although that comes with the territory), and can help clarify what you read. Without an expert's guidance, you're just diving into random source material, relying on weak online resources, and trying to piece together a complex picture with limited tools to work with.

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On a slightly related note, have B8 Radiohead fans had a chance to listen to these 8-bit album renditions? A friend told me about them and thought I'd share, since they're pretty legit




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LordEmbok posted...

tereziWright posted...

From: Westbrick | #008

So bad it's good anime? Gurren Lagann.

uh

yeah i dunno where he's getting the 'it's good' part from either

got em

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It's also somewhat fallacious to argue that learning about ethical issues broadly will somehow "defocus" yourself to more specific fields, like business ethics or bioethics. Just the opposite is true: delving deep into pure ethics helps you understand the principles that ground all of its sub-disciplines (there's a great deal of overlap). What you're saying sounds to me like arguing that taking an introductory history course is "too broad" for a history major specializing in American history, even though an introductory course can lay the groundwork for history as a discipline.

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foolm0ron posted...

From: Westbrick | #034

Anyway, it's late and I'm rambling now, but the point is that it's misleading to pretend that other disciplines somehow "suffice" in place of philosophical learning.

I still just fail to understand how a class on philosophy is the ONLY place to learn 'pure philosophy'

I was speaking within the context of a college education. You can always pick up a introductory philosophy textbook or try diving into original works of the greats, even though this won't facilitate nearly the same level of learning a college course from a good university would.

AlphaRayAllen posted...

Yeah, but the real world isn't an ethics classroom. People generally want you thinking within the field, not with such a broad mindset.

It's the same reason why a liberal arts degree isn't even a good idea on paper. There's no focus.

Which kind of "people" are we talking about? Business people? That can't be it, because philosophy is one of the few liberal arts degrees that can jump straight into the business world fairly regularly (unlike, say, Women's Studies or Art History or silly stuff like "Painting"). I've known several people who got a high-paying business job right out of college with just a philosophy degree + calculus.

Besides, you're arguing that it's good to remain narrow-minded your entire life. That's... not something we should be advocating.

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