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PeaceFrog posted...

Votes for wallz in # 430, as the second vote on him after... ctes? I thought he didn't have a vote on d2? T7, pg1.

Sultan corrected the votals a little bit after that to remove mine.

Oh and someone asked for confirmation

##vote: Peaf

This will not count.

Leafeon13N posted...

Has ctes said this is refreshing or is it just the same action running in perpetuity?

I have been told at the end of each night.

PeaceFrog posted...

That feels like just changing role of three to rule of two, but ok. I'd argue that there were others town reading me on d1 so maybe wallz was trying to blend in to that, but i don't know what that timing was like off hand.

Well I didn't do much about initially because sure it could be a pocket attempt, but it also helps that I feel like you are the player that have the least cases for being town. Wallz also mentioned others than you two, but those sounded more forced, then he later twisted and said it wasn't top two but just some two. His two suspected scum in the same post are confirmed town now for what it's worth.

Kirby321 posted...

Why is everyone's first response to a neighbor claim "why didn't you neighbor me?"

In my case it was a joke because I am jealous I'm like the only person to never be in such.

I will probably look over the interaction again later although not being able to vote anyway demotivates it a little bit.

PeaceFrog posted...

Can you please elaborate on "wallz interactions"? From my pov that's pretty vague and since i know it gets you to the wrong answer I'd love to help explain any of my past posts and tell you where i was coming from at the time.

It is based on his posts. If he ever tried to call a scummate town it has to be you since Isquen flipped. And he couldn't really justify it.

Let's see

Ctes is town
Chang is town
Kirby is town

Then other players. Don't think too much about order listed.

Ulti is town unless he is claiming Lopen's role. I have not yet gone back to try to read up on d1. Unless something very concrete is presented, I don't think it makes sense to consider too much today, but the SBell scan sure is weird considered he was Ulti's town soul read.

Death is town unless specifically godfather. I think this holds regardless of Ulti'a alignment. If he snuck a teammate in there it would be that role. It's definitely possible.

FD is town unless his role can somehow switch into the evil version of the charcater (I don't know the flavor well).

Blade is probably town, for all the interactions and stuff. I have kept him in the poe because I respect his scumgame and because of a few posts that didn't feel like they were made in good faith, but I don't see it anymore. It helps that doctor checks out with play and he has saved exactly who I would have guessed was shot at as well.

Based on play Ben still feels more towny than not to me. I think his thoughts come more from a town perspective.

MZero should still be town based on Taco and Wallz.

I have been a bit back and fourth about IGCD tbh. I think he feels more towny than not, but I wouldn't lock it in.

Finally the vanillas:

Red
Peaf
MI

While looking at Ulti's d1 still isn't a bad idea, it's probably fine today to consider vanillas? Kirby still didn't claim his JK right? Otherwise I still think based on Wallz interactions, Peaf is the best lynch.

PunishedBen posted...

Ulti has been hinting since day 1.

When day 1?

Tbh Red I was a bit surprised at how easy you claimed. For similar reasons you wanting this of all people is a bit weird.

red13n posted...

He needs to either fill that box or tell us he has some form of game plan for not claiming.

I definitely have some form of game plan for not claiming.

Meow1000 posted...

Which he did yes.

He's been lying about his role "confirming" people for days now.

The homework here is looking at Ulti day 1 before and after the Lopen shot then. I am not doing it at 2am but yeah.

Meow1000 posted...

Who is claimed vanilla outside of MI/Red/Peaf

Death did too

Considering what Wallz was, the only possible option of Ulti being scum is if he claimes Lopen's role imo.

Could SBell target Lopen or was he not "dead"

Cop
Doctor
Jail keeper
Neighborizer BP whatever
Graveyard watcher
Votestuffer
Taunter
Vig hammerer thing
Vanilla confirmed
Vanilla confirmed
Vanilla
Vanilla
Vanilla
Vanilla

Roleblocker + role cop + OP power I forgot
Framer
Janitor
Whatever keeps my vote away

Not exactly a FD spreadsheet but this is all, right? That's not too bad in amount of vanillas. Lies in power claims as well.

Kirby321 posted...

Scum has kept me alive for whatever reason.

You have been my best guess of night kill the past two nights as well, but my best guess is watcher fear.

It is not to say I will never claim, but I think there is a sweet spot between nothing and mass. Mass has its benefits but also almost always outs some stuff that shouldn't be, I would much rather leave scum wondering about me right now than tell then what I am.

Yes well, sorry if I came off hostile as well.

I fully believe that me giving out my claim at current state of the game is more beneficial to scum than town. I reconsider to some degree whenever it's brought up, but I do think giving scum information does worse than giving town information does good from me. I would prefer to not elaborate.

Yes, we got a handful claims that did what exactly, narrowed down where scum will now shoot? Then you made absolutely certain one of them if town will never be shot while that would be a good thing. Good job.

Greedy sake of completion means that you it just because you decided now you want every single claim and not because there is any use in me claiming in itself. You can't use "it's a massclaim" as an argument, I never said I thought that was a good idea.

Okay first of all you were the one being hostile

Kirby321 posted...

##Unvote
##Vote: Ctes

Claim or die.

How scary. Play better.

You said you don't think Ben is scum? If true you already got info out that should not get out once today. What do you actually need it for beyond greedy sake of completion?

My best cop game is probably when Han was the actual cop and I was vanilla.

The other one I can think of scum shot my target n1 and me n2 lmao.

PunishedBen posted...

I told everything in neighbor chat to all 3 of them. Including my plan to never reveal I was neighbor or BP.

Hm, I almost follow but this is 3 players at this point. But also three likely town that you could perhaps at some point confirm with a no kill.

Okay, it checks out. If you are town Kirby screwed up revealing it I think.

Okay since you keep asking. We already have plenty of new information to work with and read back on and analyze here. Claims from Blade, Ben, Death, MI, Ulti. Am I missing anyone? Anyway. I see no reason to currently throw a claim into the pile for the sake of greedy completion or whatever. I can't see it benefits town at present time at all.

All fine answers imo.

Still very curious about telling about BP in a chat.

TotallyNotMI posted...

Ulti why have you been using the term confirmed and acting like you're a ridiculous OP role

Why not tbh? Ulti claimed exactly what I expected but I totally get checking for reactions while still keeping attention away from innocent scans. Nothing weird about that act imo.

Meow1000 posted...

Why do you think I made damn well sure I didn't claim so I could save Kirby

All I was saying was that Kirby as a target for neighborizer n2 is weird because you would think there is a good chance he dies.

If I didn't make it clear I was talking about Ben and not you I apologize.

Meow1000 posted...

Wallz' flip made it ridiculously obvious that Kirby blocked him sending the kill.

I meant that we didn't know they were power hunting.

PunishedBen posted...

I didn't have to reveal the BP ever. It could have lasted till end game. Same strategy as body guard last game. Keep that shit a secret. I'm tired of towns claiming BP. There is never a reason to

So why did you tell it in a neighbor chat?

Meow1000 posted...

Kirby was the "obvious" kill, but scum's been pretty clearly power hunting.

Yeah but we didn't know that then, at the time they hadn't had a night kill yet.

Man why was I not neighborized.

I am offended by that being basically the only person on the board that has never been neighborized nor in a mason chat.

I will say one serious thing. Kirby seemed like the most obvious n2 kill to me so that's an interesting neighbor.

Meow1000 posted...

Hm it's almost like I thought I saved MI from a kill

Yes, that is also exactly what I'm saying checks out.

Now stop complaining about a mislynch when you have one vote on you.

MI definitely looked like a cop out lynch at the end of the day 1, makes sense as a n1 protection target for me.

I checked and Meow does come in to day 2 immediately calling MI town.

I'm leaning towards truthful.

PunishedBen posted...

And now we have him claiming doctor, so you'll get your wish and he dies tonight. Its not like scum's kills have been making any sense unless they are doctor hunting each night

If they are doctor hunting and Blade is town they know moves at night, you would think they shot him would you not

Meow1000 posted...

But also I'm 90% sure Corrik lying about me is going to get me lynched despite the fact that his lie has been exposed because it forced me into a situation after Kirby's claim where I quite literally could not claim my role

If you get lynched it is not because of Corrik saying that lmao. No one has suspected you once for that.

So since SBell said Kirby was town yesterday as well, we agree Kirby moved from 99% to 100% right. He could basically only target Wallz.

Corrik at worst made town mislynch a vanilla.

If you're town, they literally chose to not shoot you twice despite the action claim. Town is still ahead, calm down.

*Whoever

However keeps making me lose my vote

It's not funny anymore

SBell is a random shot too

Gengar/Raikou
Cloyster/Fuecoco
Suicune/Vileplume
Miltank/Ogerpon

PSG's extreme luck this campaign sure ran out.

Extreme luck that included the most controversial penalty ever in the last second against Newcastle, drawing Sociedad as runners up and Barcalona getting themselves a red card while being a draw that should have dominated regardless.

Go Dortmund, win the whole darn thing, no one could hate that!

Tag

MacArrowny posted...

As for story, I think the Cloud stuff from disc 2 was a highlight in the original game, still. Not to mention the Cid stuff.

Definitely

Let's go return of Lopen, very much hoping this is true.

Otherwise it was still a fun way to go out imo.

Okay I got excited

I definitely did not make this bed though

Watch Corrik not say anything because votals were not maintained lol.

United are so weird. I wouldn't be surprised if they somehow took points from Arsenal like they somehow managed to do multiple times with Liverpool.

Peaf has played pretty well against the pressure if scum, I will say that much.