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depending on how you graded greatest you probably could make that argument.

especially if you break it down by sub genre

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

More like you realized your takes were awful and are trying to save face

Dude Im pretty sure you said drake wouldnt have a successful rap career in the mid 2000.

Not knowing in 2006 drake was already considered a rising star and one of the hottest Indy rap artist.

Your opinion specifically doesnt matter here since youve already proved youre outta your wheel house.

Gwynevere posted...

VD and Scotty managed to out shitpost TC

Impressive

I only started shit posting when I realized I was arguing with people who werent qualified to have this conversation on the first place.

ive given anyone who gave an intelligent response a legit answer

hop918 posted...

But Drake used to rap like Joe Budden which proves he's an amazing rapper (budden is more known for his storytelling than lyrical ability, something he himself admits)

wait are we now saying story telling isnt a lyrical ability. ?

i would also say Joe budden is also know for his introspective raps before it was cool, and his witty bars.

NoMeLx22x posted...

What elite skill? Like actually qualify that statement. What skill does Drake have that is elite? Just so we know what your baseline is.

Because it seems like all your saying is commercial success = better rapper which obviously is untrue no matter how many times you say it.

Hes extremely witty, has a great voice above average bars. He can do the extremely dense quadruple quintuple entendre, though even when hes actually rapping he still doesnt often.

NoMeLx22x posted...

Bro, you were the one that brought up Nelly in the first place. A few people commented that if you think Drake is so high but Nelly is not, that's dumb, because they were actually pretty similar. They both were basically the top "pop rapper" of their time.

Neither were especially good technical rappers, but just good at making really catchy songs.

But you keep sticking the to the "Nelly narrative" and ignoring all of the other rappers that are vastly superior to Drake that have been mentioned in this topic.

It seems your only argument for Drake is "he's a commercial success" when that doesn't mean shit at all.

I brought up Nelly as an example of a top 30ish rapper all time and yall simultaneously said theres similar artist and Drake isnt top 50 at all.

I havent ignored any rapper, most of the guys youre mentioning either dont have the body of work or commercial success for an all encompassing greatest rappers list

TheGoldenEel posted...

old drake was a fine, even pretty good rapper

but you're trying to thread some needle about popularity and skills or whatever, and drake was not popular from those old mixtape tracks.

he is not a top 20 "rapper" because he spit harder back in the day. there are still lots and lots of rappers that rap way better than what drake was doing back then

you're trying to say that because he has a certain level of skill he used to rap at, and also because he got popular for making pop rap songs, he should be considered one of the greatest rappers, which imo is bogus

im looking at his entire career where hes shown but the elite skill and the huge success, granted rarely at the same time. I ever docked him points for rarely doing both.

NoMeLx22x posted...

TCs entire defense is literally just "no, I'm right" without ever addressing anything else in the entire topic

i only started saying that once yall started saying ridiculous stuff like comparing Nelly to him as a technical rapper. While also admitting you guys havent heard enough of us music.

like you guys havent heard come back season or room to improvement.

nor are you guys actually aware of his stylistic change around 09, cause multiple people have been like he wouldnt survive in the early/mid 00s when he had a bidding war for rapping in a more serious manner at that exact time.

WalkingPlague posted...

this.

anyone who puts drake in the top 100 needs their head checked.

drake basically has a table of writers trying to decipher and put into words the shit kdot is saying so his slow ass has a rebuttal.

drake is 0-XX. no matter how many times he drops diss tracks, kdot always wins.

this is just factually wrong.

this entire topic has basically been you guys admitting you dont know what youre talking about

Zeeak4444 posted...

literally one of the funniest things Ive seen in a while

thinking Im wrong is hilarious

Scotty_Rogers posted...

gkmc is from 2017 lol i said 2000s

GKMC is from 2012

But still leaving off Be and BTH are wild

WingsOfGood posted...

Would colonizer make sense as Kendrick called him?

not in that context

Scotty_Rogers posted...

The classic hip hop albums of the 2000s

Marshall Matters LP (2000)
The Blueprint (2001)
Eminem Show (2002)
Get Rich or Die Trying (2003)
The College Dropout (2004)
Speakerboxx/The Love Below (2004)
Late Registration (2005)
Graduation (2007)
Tha Carter III (2008)

That's really about it lol. Are we really gonna pretend guys like Nelly or Ludacris had good albums as opposed to just memorable singles?

See this alone is wrong and tells me you dont listen to enough rap to be in this discussion

Be, Below the Heavens ,GKMC

just off the top of my head are all considered classics

Cynrascal posted...

They may not be in middle school. But, they do have the maturity of those brats. This is just another example of why I don't have an interest in hip hop anymore.

dont really think hip hop was for you in the first place

Ar0ge posted...

That's another good one. Lmao

This guy is trolling hard.

not at all

NoMeLx22x posted...

Damn, dude saw TC having shit takes and decided to try to top him

Im not really having bad takes as much as ce doesnt know what its talking about.

like someone said mac miller and Tyler are stronger rappers than drake

Scotty_Rogers posted...

drake never had any real street cred, dude came from degrassi lol

and instead of toughening up his image as a harder hip hop rapper, he opted to base his main sound around kanye's 808s & heartbreak.

how can anyone listen to shit like find your love or marvin's room and think "this is a legit hip hop artist"

he's always been a soft, safe pop rapper

so a couple things here

why are you assuming real hip hop is hard core ?

why did he even need to toughen up or be someone hes not

he didnt start his career off like that, again he started off by Being a witty punch line rapper. He pivoted after 808s yes

drake the hip hop nerd with girl trouble was the best drake honestly.

Aressar posted...

Didn't even know about that (I don't actively keep up with celebrity scandals).
I was pointing out that nobody except maybe middleschoolers actually care about dissing.

you're the wrong one here

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Well, you don't get points for "theoretically" being a better rapper. Drake hasn't evolved much at all while all of his peers are elevating themselves.

see thats actually an argument worth its merit.

being an Elite rapper, but choosing to Rap at an elite level maybe 20% of the time(being generous its probably closer to 5%), is not a good look, and the sheer amount of music hes put out is the only reason he has a decent modern show case of skill

its like having a Ferrari but you use it as your daily driver to pick up groceries, like whats the fucking point.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Nobody's saying he can't rap at all. But again, he's just mediocre. Like, his rapping is passable enough to not ruin whatever track he's on, but it's not like people listen to Drake for his wordplay, flow, lyricism, storytelling, etc.,

And for the most part, Drake ain't rapping about shit. Even with the Meek Mill shit, he didn't win because he was a better rapper, but because he had the bigger hit.

But again, thats wrong.

EDIT:: even if you think Joe budden isnt a great rapper hes clearly a better rapper than mac and Tyler

Scotty_Rogers posted...

considering he chose to sing a bunch of autotune pop songs about being in his feels instead of actually rapping, it's no surprise people would question his actual rapping skills

instead of making quality he opted to just make money which is fine but there's no emotional investment or substance in his music anymore

100% Im not a fan of most of modern drakes music, I listen hoping to catch the few times he actually RAPS, but everything else is stuff Ill just hear out when ever.

but the people questioning his rapping skill and not his effort, just arent qualified to have this convo.

and dont get me wrong his effort is a HUGE PROBLEM

Smashingpmkns posted...

Drake's music career literally could not exist before 2008

So what Im getting out of this topic is yall havent heard early drake or his modern deep cuts

Hes first 2 mixtapes are pre 2008.

when I say he rapped like Joe budden and phonte I was not exaggerating

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Off of pure skill? Absolutely.

Whether or not you want to argue about their personas fitting the image of hip-hop at that time is a whole separate thing that's irrelevant to my point.

Drake's Twitter meme bars would not hold up at that time. The only reason he gets away with it now is, again, because he makes turn up music for non-rap fans.

okay thought you where talking about them as whole artist cause I was like no way you believe that

But neither of them are better technical rappers than drake though.

Like dont get me wrong Drake hardly tries nowadays, hes rather make turn up music than actually rap. Which pisses me off because I know drake as a rap nerd.

but we cant have come out of this Kendrick beef and think drake cant rap, he chooses not to quite often, and thats a valid criticism against him.

but he saying he cant rap like at all ?!?

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Yes we are lol. Lupe is probably one of the most unmatched lyricists of all-time, he just don't get the credit because his music isn't made for the radio

im not arguing Lupe rapping skill.

its the fact you implied the Tyler the creator or Mac would survive in a pre Kanye rap era. But drake wouldnt.

the same drake who has a whole two -three mixtapes of him rapping like Joe budden over mad lib beats.

like what are we doing.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

They absolutely would have. At least off the strength of their skill and talent.

Lupe in particular has had whole college courses analyzing his lyrics.

Drake can't outrap a single rapper I mentioned. Except maybe Mac Miller just because he'd be too laid back about it.

we cant be for real right now.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

No, he has a 15 year career of making palatable and commercially successful "turn up" music. He's never been anywhere near being a top rapper unless commercial success is your only metric.

Drake's career wouldn't have even survived if he came out during the early 2000s.

thats not his entire 15 year career he Spent the first few years rapping like joe budden.

considering Kanye was active in 2003 I doubt that.

even then guys like Mac, and lupe, and Tyler also wouldnt of survived ?

TheGoldenEel posted...

Also btw I cant get over tc listing Andre 3k but not Big Boi

I personally prefer big boi because he has way more solo work.

but some of 3000 verses are my favorite of all time

and he has the general popularity plus.

Srk700 posted...

You don't have to dislike him to think he shouldn't be high on the list. Like I personally don't think commercial success should really matter, especially because you have some guys like Drake that branched off into other genres that helped make them as big as they are commercially. Which muddies up the list since your essentially counting their stuff from other genres into their rap rankings.

if you want to remove commercial success, everyones list in here is wrong.

Srk700 posted...

You don't have to dislike him to think he shouldn't be high on the list. Like I personally don't think commercial success should really matter, especially because you have some guys like Drake that branched off into other genres that helped make them as big as they are commercially. Which muddies up the list since your essentially counting their stuff from other genres into their rap rankings.

its legitimate issues with drakes rap career.

he phones it in half the time, and hed rather be popular than showcase his full talent, in beef hes consistently over confident.

But hes got a 15 year career as a top rapper, with more good verses than most other people on the list off the strength of longevity alone.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Drake is mid as a rapper bro. And we don't even know if he writes his own shit.

Like, Drake's target audience isn't even actual hip-hop fans. That's how far removed he is from the other rappers I mentioned.

EVEN if you take away anything of drakes that has questionable writing on.

hes mixtapes put him on a higher tier of lyrics, rapper than someone like nelly

like lets be real here.

TheGoldenEel posted...

Seriously, dude thinks Drake belongs on the list but writes off Nelly? Its the exact same shit

i mean I have Nelly in the 30 ranges honestly.

but drake is Significantly better rapper than Nelly.

Ahhhh.

CEs doing that thing where because they dont like someone they discredit them.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

I don't care about commercial success tbh. It doesn't make you the better rapper.

Like I said, Drake has hits, but he's pop rap. He's empty calories to the rap industry. I don't think it'd even be fair to compare him to someone like KRS-One on that metric because Drake was intentionally made to be marketable and palatable.

okay so youre just making a different listen than I was, thats fine.

TheGoldenEel posted...

Better get will smith and mc hammer in there while youre at it

its really weird to act like drake is a bad rapper especially after his showing recently ?

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Any of the major names in Wu-Tang Clan, Redman, Lupe Fiasco, MF Doom, Ludacris, KRS-One, Common, Mos Def, Tyler, the Creator, Mac Miller are all some rappers I'd put above Drake.

And I'd put LL Cool J above him too

most of those guys dont have the commercial success or the influence to be on this list.

like no way you have Lupe or mac Miller or MF doom on a top 20 greatest rapper list.

if were talking purely technical of course this list would be different, but were talking over all package.

Tyler is a good suggestion though I think LL is also on that list. I wouldnt put KRS-one but Im not mad at it.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Ain't no fucking way Drake is Top 20 "no question"

Name 20 rappers then.

Jayz
Nas
Biggie
Tupac
Rakim
Em
DMX
Kendrick
Kanye
Cole
Ice cube
Snoop
andre 3000
scar face
Lil Wayne
50 Cent

At this point were arguing stuff like LLcoolJ, and Nelly and shit like that

action52 posted...

TC is being generous giving him 1-2 and not 0-2

I mean do we not consider the meek beef major ?

WingsOfGood posted...

Are you a big Drake fan tc?

ehhh not really.
I think hes spent most of his career phoning it in, especially in the last half of his career where he basically stopped trying as a rapper.

I think hes interesting cause hes a rap nerd and a super talented rapper, who actively chooses not to rap so its weird duality

DrizztLink posted...

The only joke in here is your fucking ranking.

There is no way drake isnt a top 20 rapper or all time, like no question.

ironman2009 posted...

i never liked him so i'd probably have him lower. he definitely is higher if we're going by "fandom" or influence to the genre.

so what's the parameters? if favorite rapper is all we're talking about he's not on the list.

Just over all, talent, songs, contribution to the game etc

All Time of course.

I dont think he can be higher than like 7 now he probably sits in the 7-15 range all time as a rapper now.

its a joke there somewhere

Ar0ge posted...

So your critical thinking skills leads you to think Drake had this elaborate plan to bait Kendrick with fake information?

Instead of idk... The image was removed from streaming services for legal reasons or rule violations?

Occam's razor dude.

True, I forgot about the legal aspect, that is apart of Apple Musics terms Im not sure about YouTube though

but the stuff in the photo apparently being Dennis Grahams stuff but is all stuff tied to the rappers drake being with is weird regardless.

like why would Dennis Graham be have maybach gear and jewelry receipts from asaps jeweler.

why would Dennis Graham have maybaxh

Ar0ge posted...

Ok.

And how does that prove Drake planted it? Especially when it's still on Kendrick's own YouTube page?

lets put on our critical thinking caps.

If Kendrick removed the photo from everywhere he possibly could.

The photo honestly made no sense to be Dennis Graham possessions

Even before drake claimed the photo was fake.

SF_Okami posted...

After getting assassinated by Pusha T a few years back, Im shocked Drake would try this again

I mean I dont blame him. The way he was rapping he beats 99% of rappers.

he just handled this poorly, primarily because he underestimated Kendrick, and well pusha T .

Ar0ge posted...

Lol you've been over on Drake reddit too much I think. Just repeating what's going on there. Btw, The album cover is still on YouTube. So I have no idea what you're talking about about. It's NOT confirmed Drake fed Kendrick anything.

he took it off Apple Music.

ironman2009 posted...

so do we think it's over or what? wouldn't mind waking up to more drama

I think Kendrick gets the last laugh, drops one more track in the next 24 hours.

and I expect it to be over

or they might just treat the BBL challenge as the victory lap.

LonelyStoner posted...

J Cole runs circles around Drake.

and you said I have bad takes.

i dont know how you can look at the rapping drake did here and think Jcole would run circles around him in rap beef.

Jcole might win, but it wouldnt be easy at all.

I also dont think Jcole has the heart to spam the youre friends with sex offenders punch the way Kendrick was able to.

ironman2009 posted...

yeah backin out of this was super smart. might get brought up next time he drops an album, but i don't think people will hold it against him seriously.

Once the beef got personal everybody understood why jcole backed out.

he just wanted to hoop. But he gets to the court and realize everyone else brought guns with them.

LonelyStoner posted...

Now youre just being purposefully dense. Weird gimmick, but I guess it suits you.

youre really familiar with me but I dont know you.

LonelyStoner posted...

No, youre just doing a bad job of communicating in your first language.

gamepimp12 posted...

Youre somehow a bigger outsider than drake is.

And you guys its confirmed drake leaked Kendrick some false info, like its a fact.

as far as we know its just the song cover for meet the Grahams

and the 11 year old daughter, drake at one time thought he had a daughter that would be 11 at this time but it wasnt his and he found that out pretty early on

where here could you even infer that I said drake fed him fake sex offender stuff ?

stop being stupid dude.

LonelyStoner posted...

You keep flip flopping between defending Drake and calling him out. He isnt smart enough to feed anyone false info. And why would he feed false info about himself being a sex offender? Hes a dumbass through and through.

OHHHHHH youre mad because you cant read.

I never said the sex offender stuff was false info.

ironman2009 posted...

who proved that drake leaked fake info?

Kendrick removed the album cover to meet the graham, which was supposed to all drakes fathers stuff

and if you actually look at the photo, its very niche references to rappers drakes currently beefing with.

For example the receipt on there is the receipt to a jewelry store Either A$AP Rocky owns or is closely related to.

Its literally an MMG glove on the album cover.

its fair to say most the new info Kendrick had was false.

He just never used most of it outside of the cover and the daughter stuff.

and the daughter stuff was believable because drakes went to court over a little girl that would be that age now.

LonelyStoner posted...

His takes are consistently shitty. Its not limited to this topic.

..

but im right

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

huh? you were the one who called him kraft american cheese with no provocation

Yeah, Im apparently boring for making the obvious observation that drake only fed Kendrick 2 things as false info, and that the more damaging points are all still real.

Drake still is protecting Baka Not Nice a known sex trafficker
Drake still has a questionable history with women around the age of 17
Drake still has a questionable relationship with rap culturally

LonelyStoner posted...

How do you consistently have the personality of Kraft American cheese slices

who are you ?

I4NRulez posted...

uhhh what lol

Tyler was beefing with DJ Kahled a few years ago lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQhgS6No2yo

it wasnt really beef

it was just Kahled crying because he didnt realize how popular Tyler had gotten in the last 5 years. (Hes easily the 5th most popular rapper rn)

lilORANG posted...

Nah. I'm good. I'm a fan of Kendrick so if people take this shit seriously enough to drop Drake (who is a total dweeb) then good. It's just amusing to think of the logistics.

Not gonna lie you look really weird in this topic dude.

lilORANG posted...

Yes. That doesn't make them less of losers

Youre somehow a bigger outsider than drake is.

And you guys its confirmed drake leaked Kendrick some false info, like its a fact.

as far as we know its just the song cover for meet the Grahams

and the 11 year old daughter, drake at one time thought he had a daughter that would be 11 at this time but it wasnt his and he found that out pretty early on.

The only fake info thats currently been leaked was

Drakes daughter

and the meet the grahams cover photos.

But yeah

this is probably the best drake had rapped consistently in like 7 years.

But he just doesnt have a response to Kendrick calling him weird and saying he protects weird men.

One of drakes closest friends is a known pimp

and we all know drakes been creepy with women. He has multiple songs dedicated to a at the time 18 year old Jorja Smith.

Kendrick can literally call him weird for 8 minutes and its an uncountable punch.