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TopicDaily reminder that if it's ok to punch Nazis, it's also ok to punch Commies.
hockeybub89
09/07/17 12:39:52 PM
#304
Mal_Fet posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Right-wing extremists, such as those belonging to white supremacy groups, commit more terror attacks in the US than anyone else, though Islamic attacks have caused more deaths. And how can Antifa cause mass organized political violence when they aren't even organized? Antifa are no more terrorists than all but 1 of the Nazi shitheads in Charlottesville.

If actually killing people doesn't make white supremacy groups terrorists, then property damage and punching people can't be considered terroristic behavior.

It can, actually. Killing is not a requirement in the definition of "terrorism".

What I said is. If killing for political means is not terrorism, then how can anything less be?
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TopicDaily reminder that if it's ok to punch Nazis, it's also ok to punch Commies.
hockeybub89
09/07/17 2:52:40 AM
#298
TradPaladin01 posted...
So a vague, nebulous slur representing >50% of the population versus an actual network of activists that's been mass terrorizing people for more than a year.

Guess which I'm more worried about.

If I thought the entire right-wing was extremists, then I wouldn't need to use the word extremists. They would just be normal right-wingers. Why did you immediately make that assumption? I am talking people who have committed actual terrorism for actual reasons, not some conservative who voted against Obamacare and hurt my feelings.

I also didn't know the Trump-era media had been in charge of domestic terror investigations since 9/11. And once again, Antifa is not a network. It's a vague idea.

But please wrongfully accuse me of falling for some SJW liberal media shit while you lap up Fox News and Breitbart hot takes.
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TopicDaily reminder that if it's ok to punch Nazis, it's also ok to punch Commies.
hockeybub89
09/07/17 2:42:26 AM
#296
TradPaladin01 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
But Antifa is so much more of a serious terror group, what with a death toll of 0 and no clear group structure or goals.

You do realize the DHS and FBI classified their violence as terroristic acts, and not the alt-right, because the former regularly commits organized acts of mass political violence, and the latter does not, right?


Right-wing extremists, such as those belonging to white supremacy groups, commit more terror attacks in the US than anyone else, though Islamic attacks have caused more deaths. And how can Antifa cause mass organized political violence when they aren't even organized? Antifa are no more terrorists than all but 1 of the Nazi shitheads in Charlottesville.

If actually killing people doesn't make white supremacy groups terrorists, then property damage and punching people can't be considered terroristic behavior.
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TopicDaily reminder that if it's ok to punch Nazis, it's also ok to punch Commies.
hockeybub89
09/07/17 2:25:09 AM
#292
Mal_Fet posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
If right-wing extremists are supposed to be ignored

No one said this.

Not even Trump said this despite fake news insisting he did.

I'm not talking about Charlottesville. Domestic terrorism is not even a charge in the legal system. And things like this

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-extremists-program-exclusiv/exclusive-trump-to-focus-counter-extremism-program-solely-on-islam-sources-idUSKBN15G5VO

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-budget-extremism-idUSKBN18J2HJ

But Antifa is so much more of a serious terror group, what with a death toll of 0 and no clear group structure or goals. That is if you can get people to give a fuck about non-Islamic terrorism at all.
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TopicDo you think it's SJWism to say the Trail of Tears was evil?
hockeybub89
09/06/17 7:03:28 PM
#40
Capn Circus posted...
The Admiral posted...
Horus_Leftfield posted...
The forced relocation of Native Americans from their own country, the land where their ancestors were buried. They were made to march 1000 miles overland, at gunpoint, without enough food or clothing, which resulted in tens of thousands of men women and children dying of exposure, disease, and starvation.


Already you're getting a bit closer to being accurate. We've gone from implying a slaughter -- "genocide" and "Holocaust" -- to recognizing that most of the Indians died from external conditions during the trek to Oklahoma.

What you're leaving out is that the land the Cherokee were being "forced to leave" was no longer theirs. It was given to the Americans in a Treaty of New Echota. Many Cherokee did not respect this treaty, and tensions between them and the settlers reached the point where there would have been mass violence. There was no way to avoid one side being killed, and it was most likely going to be the American frontier settlers at the time. Jackson then forced the Cherokee off the land in accordance with the treaty in the interest of protecting those American lives. The deaths that occurred during the trail were due to disease and starvation, not brutality by the Americans.

You can debate if taking land was "evil" or not, but you'd have a hard case to make since this is what the Cherokee and other tribes had been doing before the European colonists arrived -- fighting with each other and taking land when their territories started to encroach. This was the period of world history where Rule of Conquest was accepted on every continent. If the Americans were "evil" for doing that, so were the Cherokee and people of every other nation that exists today.


Most don't realize this because they aren't taught history anymore. Only sensationalism and that white people were very, very bad. Everyone else was very good.

Says one of the proponents of whitewashing history.
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TopicDisney causes OUTRAGE after they Shoe-Horned a WHITE CHARACTER in ALADDIN!!
hockeybub89
09/06/17 7:01:11 PM
#11
I swear. Goddamn Hollywood needs to stop shoving white people down our throats. We get it. You're diverse. Congrats, liberals.
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TopicDaily reminder that if it's ok to punch Nazis, it's also ok to punch Commies.
hockeybub89
09/06/17 6:54:43 PM
#288
--kresnik-- posted...
My main, number 1 complaint with trump is the fact that antifa wasn't correctly labeled a terrorist organization in day one.

If right-wing extremists are supposed to be ignored despite being the prolific terrorists in America, then there is no reason to worry about Antifa.
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TopicWhite Christians only make 43% of AMERICA when it USED to be 80%!! Good or Bad??
hockeybub89
09/06/17 6:29:48 PM
#8
TopicDaily reminder that if it's ok to punch Nazis, it's also ok to punch Commies.
hockeybub89
09/06/17 6:23:14 PM
#281
darkjedilink posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
There have been Nazi rallies where no violence happens. Don't act dumb.

No there haven't. Nazi-style ideologies are violent. And no, I am not justifying going to every Nazi and punching them. But let's not trivialize their beliefs. That only serves to make them socially acceptable.

Words cannot be violent. Violence is a PHYSICAL act.

(especially of an emotion or unpleasant or destructive natural force) very strong or powerful.
"violent dislike"
synonyms:intense, extreme, strong, powerful, vehement, intemperate, unbridled, uncontrollable, ungovernable, inordinate, consuming, passionate
"violent jealousy"


I didn't call it an act of physical violence and literally have condemned preemptive physical violence on these racist shitheads.
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TopicDo you think it's SJWism to say the Trail of Tears was evil?
hockeybub89
09/06/17 6:21:17 PM
#30
Horus_Leftfield posted...
The Admiral posted...
Horus_Leftfield posted...
Meanwhile you just hand waive Indian genocide like it's nothing


BTW, this is what I'm talking. This guy has no idea what the Trail of Tears is, yet he makes an outrage topic hoping you'll react emotionally like he is.

The fuck do you think the Trail of Tears is?

Don't you know there are completely acceptable reasons for the military to forcibly march natives across the country, having no care for how it destroyed them. Even if there wasn't, literally any bad thing that happened more than 5 years ago was just a product of the time and can't be judged by modern liberal standards.
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TopicDaily reminder that if it's ok to punch Nazis, it's also ok to punch Commies.
hockeybub89
09/06/17 5:33:34 PM
#272
_Near_ posted...
Mal_Fet posted...

No you fuckin cant, you sociopath


yeah, the sociopath is the one punching isis members not the genocidal fuckheads.

nice moral compass

Didn't you hear? If you want to kill large groups of people in the name of ethnic cleansing or some rotten interpretation of a God, you are morally superior to anyone that has ever laid hands on another or broken the law because you haven't actually committed your own genocide.
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TopicDaily reminder that if it's ok to punch Nazis, it's also ok to punch Commies.
hockeybub89
09/06/17 5:20:38 PM
#260
The Admiral posted...
That_Happened posted...
Zikten posted...
what I am saying is that most of the time all white supremacists do is talk. they rarely do any actions.

And what I am saying is this benefit of the doubt is something you would NEVER afford to Muslims or BLM or Antifa. EVER.


Literally never heard anyone say it's okay to go up and punch Muslims who aren't being violent.

tfw when general Muslims and Nazis are compared.
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TopicDaily reminder that if it's ok to punch Nazis, it's also ok to punch Commies.
hockeybub89
09/06/17 5:16:59 PM
#255
Mal_Fet posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
No there haven't. Nazi-style ideologies are violent.

Speech is not violence. Don't act dumb.

Unless you're willing to accept that every Communist rally ever was violent too?

Some were I'm sure. Depends if they were screaming angry shit at people and calling for blood. Speech and beliefs can be violent. But since they aren't physically violent, I don't condone kicking their asses. I think people should have a right to violent speech, but their speech should be confronted, lest it become socially acceptable.
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TopicDaily reminder that if it's ok to punch Nazis, it's also ok to punch Commies.
hockeybub89
09/06/17 5:06:37 PM
#250
Mal_Fet posted...
Because it's not free speech if someone gets to decide which opinions are acceptable.

Do you mean legally? Because society decides every day what is socially acceptable. Free speech and all.
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TopicDaily reminder that if it's ok to punch Nazis, it's also ok to punch Commies.
hockeybub89
09/06/17 5:05:03 PM
#249
Mal_Fet posted...
There have been Nazi rallies where no violence happens. Don't act dumb.

No there haven't. Nazi-style ideologies are violent. And no, I am not justifying going to every Nazi and punching them. But let's not trivialize their beliefs. That only serves to make them socially acceptable.
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TopicDaily reminder that if it's ok to punch Nazis, it's also ok to punch Commies.
hockeybub89
09/06/17 5:00:51 PM
#244
lderivedx posted...
Why should calls for ethnic cleansing and white supremacy be protected by "free speech?"

Well they should be protected in not being jailed or killed for their speech. But jokers on here confuse free speech with having an unchallenged platform. Nazis and white supremacists aren't guaranteed the latter. No one is and restricting the free speech of certain people would be the only way to even do that.
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TopicDaily reminder that if it's ok to punch Nazis, it's also ok to punch Commies.
hockeybub89
09/06/17 4:57:07 PM
#235
Mal_Fet posted...
That_Happened posted...
darkjedilink posted...
MC_BatCommander posted...
why are people so adamant to defend Nazis?

Literally nobody is defending Nazis.


Remember when you said, and I quote directly: "The Nazis were cool until their civil rights were violated?"

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

I'm pretty sure by "cool" he meant "generally nonviolent", not that they were cool people.

There is no such thing with a Nazi rally.
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TopicDaily reminder that if it's ok to punch Nazis, it's also ok to punch Commies.
hockeybub89
09/06/17 4:52:56 PM
#231
Zikten posted...
MC_BatCommander posted...
why are people so adamant to defend Nazis?

why do people always confuse defending free speech for defending nazis? do you not remember the famous saying "I may hate what you say, but I will fight to the death to defend your right to say it"

Many sides get confused as to what free speech means tho
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Topic"Republican & Smart, WHITE, Traditional."
hockeybub89
09/06/17 4:40:32 PM
#22
The Admiral posted...
We just had a national election where the slogan was "it's her turn." If being a woman is fine to advertise as a political qualification, don't see why you'd care about race.

Do you think that is fine though?

Also, I don't see how that slogan, that she didn't even come up with, is necessarily advertising being a woman as what made Hillary the best candidate.
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TopicDaily reminder that if it's ok to punch Nazis, it's also ok to punch Commies.
hockeybub89
09/06/17 4:31:53 PM
#225
darkjedilink posted...
SGT_Conti posted...
EverDownward posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
Except there is nothing inherently in communism that says 'commit genocide against innocents'.

Tell that to Stalin, Mao, and Rouge...or was that not real communism?

I thought that was mostly done because they were despots and not because it was demanded as a tenet of communism.

How many Socialist and Communist nations need to be run by dictators before it's accepted by the left to equate them.

Honestly, an infinite amount. A failure in practice system like communism being co-opted by evil dictators under the guide of caring about the people will still never make communism inherently evil. If all dictators gave people Amazon gift cards, that wouldn't make gift cards inherently genocidal.
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TopicWitcher 3 is such an amazing game
hockeybub89
09/06/17 4:17:45 PM
#13
TC is right about something for once.

One of the best games ever imo
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Topic'Now were supposed to send them out of the country? I don't believe in that'
hockeybub89
09/06/17 4:16:15 PM
#14
TopicTrump nominates homosexual human being to be US ambassador to Germany.
hockeybub89
09/06/17 4:13:05 PM
#26
Capn Circus posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Well they can convert themselves because quacks shouldn't be able to peddle snake oil under the guise of healthcare.


Exactly. It doesn't work. Everyone knows it doesn't work, and taking advantage of the distraught to push an agenda isn't something anyone should be endorsing.


There's people that do all sorts of things that don't work.

If someone doesn't like their sexuality they should still have the option to have therapy to manage or supress their feelings. There's plenty of different types of therapy.

So you're against regulatory measures when it comes to healthcare? Any jackass should be able to peddle anything to any poor sap they can under the guise of medical treatment? I guess we should let bloodletting come back into style too then if someone out there thinks they want it. Effectiveness and risks be damned.
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TopicTrump nominates homosexual human being to be US ambassador to Germany.
hockeybub89
09/06/17 2:24:11 PM
#16
Capn Circus posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
eston posted...
Mr. Trump has forever changed the Republican Party%u2019s support for LGBT equality and future Republican leaders will have a difficult time not meeting the new standard.

I don't think this is true


Well, compared to the republicans that came before, him he is a marked step forward on all accounts. Just compare him to crazy Mike "Conversion Therapy" Pence. :u


Mike Pence is getting a bad rap for that. He just opposed making it illegal. Not requiring people to do it.

You realize there's gay people out there who hate their sexuality and seek intervention out on their own, right?

I don't believe it works personally, but people should have the right to do as they please.

Well they can convert themselves because quacks shouldn't be able to peddle snake oil under the guise of healthcare.
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TopicDestiny 2 has pay2win microtransactions
hockeybub89
09/06/17 2:08:00 PM
#79
How can it be pay to win when weapons are normalized in PvP? This just sounds like shortcut packs, essentially. And not even a significant one considering how easy it is to hit level 20.
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TopicDaily reminder that if it's ok to punch Nazis, it's also ok to punch Commies.
hockeybub89
09/06/17 1:57:41 PM
#197
Zeus posted...
That_Happened posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
intimidating someone is a crime? so are antifa criminals for intimidating people?


Holy fuck the whataboutism in this topic. This is the 3rd time I will be posting this:

Post #53

That_Happened posted...
You have a situation where people are literally carrying weapons and threatening your life based on your skin color or religion. Sorry, but you do not become a shittier person than them just because you attack before they do. That, too, is self defense. For the record, if you want to punch an Antifa member who is holding a brick, feel free.


Except they're literally carrying weapons because idiots are literally going around punching them and initiating other forms of violence. You're creating a cycle of violence.

So every time these hateful shitheads get brave in America, it's because there is some group of leftists trying to beat then up? I think the easier explanation is they are just hateful shitheads that get angry when they feel the white man is losing some battle.
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TopicTrump has already signed more executive orders than Obama in any year?
hockeybub89
09/06/17 1:53:15 PM
#8
Capn Circus posted...
Lol, a lot of those executive orders roll back government, genius.

Also, no. He's not signed as many as Obama yet.

Ah so a President can operate outside typical channels and overreach if they say they are doing it to take away their power.

Also, I was just talking this year. 45 and it's only September. Obama never signed more than 41 for an entire year.
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TopicTrump has already signed more executive orders than Obama in any year?
hockeybub89
09/06/17 1:45:20 PM
#1
TopicSo what happens to children born on US soil to DACA parents?
hockeybub89
09/06/17 1:40:56 PM
#41
I just don't understand how these dreamers are a priority issue in America, even if you disagree with how DACA came to be.
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TopicDaily reminder that if it's ok to punch Nazis, it's also ok to punch Commies.
hockeybub89
09/06/17 1:26:36 PM
#173
darkjedilink posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
That_Happened posted...
If we're talking about punching a guy holding a weapon and screaming in your face about how you should be eliminated, I disagree.

That's almost never the context in the cases of violent leftists.

I thought this topic was about punching Nazis.

It's ok to punch anyone who is an imminent threat to you, Nazi or not.

So yes we can punch people in situations like in Charlottesville?

Where violent leftists instigate a riot by illegally assembling? Yes.

A small portion of counter protesters that identify as Antifa got violent in response to a violent protest, yes.
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TopicDaily reminder that if it's ok to punch Nazis, it's also ok to punch Commies.
hockeybub89
09/06/17 1:24:41 PM
#167
PoopMcgee420 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
That_Happened posted...
If we're talking about punching a guy holding a weapon and screaming in your face about how you should be eliminated, I disagree.

That's almost never the context in the cases of violent leftists.

I thought this topic was about punching Nazis.

It's ok to punch anyone who is an imminent threat to you, Nazi or not.

So yes we can punch people in situations like in Charlottesville?

Ya you can definitely punch the antifa members that were there

Many sides
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TopicDaily reminder that if it's ok to punch Nazis, it's also ok to punch Commies.
hockeybub89
09/06/17 1:23:46 PM
#165
Also lol at Admirals earlier "If you punch someone who believes in the genocide of other people, you are worse than are." You know, because morality always aligns with legality. I guess that means minor drug offenders are shittier people than law-abiding white supremacists.
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TopicDaily reminder that if it's ok to punch Nazis, it's also ok to punch Commies.
hockeybub89
09/06/17 1:21:40 PM
#163
Mal_Fet posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
That_Happened posted...
If we're talking about punching a guy holding a weapon and screaming in your face about how you should be eliminated, I disagree.

That's almost never the context in the cases of violent leftists.

I thought this topic was about punching Nazis.

It's ok to punch anyone who is an imminent threat to you, Nazi or not.

So yes we can punch people in situations like in Charlottesville?
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TopicDaily reminder that if it's ok to punch Nazis, it's also ok to punch Commies.
hockeybub89
09/06/17 1:07:18 PM
#149
Mal_Fet posted...
That_Happened posted...
If we're talking about punching a guy holding a weapon and screaming in your face about how you should be eliminated, I disagree.

That's almost never the context in the cases of violent leftists.

I thought this topic was about punching Nazis.
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TopicDaily reminder that if it's ok to punch Nazis, it's also ok to punch Commies.
hockeybub89
09/06/17 5:30:19 AM
#11
RuthlessBadger posted...
No wonder this world is fucked. People actually believe communism is all good.

Who believes that and how is it a large enough group to fuck the world?

Communism is not inherently hateful and genocidal no matter how bad it fails in practice as an economic system.
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TopicDaily reminder that if it's ok to punch Nazis, it's also ok to punch Commies.
hockeybub89
09/06/17 5:19:45 AM
#8
Yeah this is a topic. Real question is: Do you think we should punch commies, Mal?
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Topictransgendered men do not become women, nor do transgendered women become men
hockeybub89
09/05/17 1:54:35 PM
#74
Soviet_Poland posted...
DoomSwell posted...
Already know that, but I also know there's a high rate of regret or suicide afterwards as well.


A systematic review and meta-analysis (strongest level of evidence) says otherwise:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19473181

Or, rather a more nuanced interpretation is that there is very little data, but the data that is there suggests it helps. You don't "know" there is a higher rate of regret, you're assuming there is a high level regret...based off of? What exactly?

Well when you know nothing of how transition works and are one of the jokers in this topic who thinks most people treat it like changing socks, you tend to make silly assumptions based off those silly beliefs.
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TopicSessions says DACA being rescinded, CNN TV going ape ****
hockeybub89
09/05/17 1:47:49 PM
#58
Tropicalwood posted...
Anteaterking posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
voldothegr8 posted...
Laws don't end where your feelings begin.


*CoughDonaldTrumpandJoeArpaioCough*

Man, where were all of you when Obama pardoned 78 people?


"All pardons are the same"

Arpaio was sentenced for contempt of court, Obama pardoned drug dealers and polluters.
So yeah, they aren't the same. Obama pardoned actual criminals instead of someone that went after criminals in a manner the democrat appointees didn't like.

Yeah and Al Capone just evaded taxes.
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TopicSessions says DACA being rescinded, CNN TV going ape ****
hockeybub89
09/05/17 1:47:03 PM
#57
Sephiroth1288 posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
voldothegr8 posted...
Laws don't end where your feelings begin.


*CoughDonaldTrumpandJoeArpaioCough*

Man, where were all of you when Obama pardoned 78 people?

So are you cool with the Arpaio pardon because "Butt Obama" or...
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TopicSessions says DACA being rescinded, CNN TV going ape ****
hockeybub89
09/05/17 1:45:05 PM
#54
Sephiroth1288 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Here's good rationale. We shouldn't doom 800,000 productive members of society to poverty in foreign nations because their parents brought them over illegally when they were small children.

Sounds like you basically support open borders as long as someone was too young when they came over.

Yeah, that will end well...

I'm for these people. Stay on topic. These people are our problem. They were brought here as children with no say. This is the country they know. There is where they have an education, a job, friends, maybe even children and a spouse. They might not even speak another language. They are on the path to citizenship. And we should just ship them off to foreign lands where they will be someone else's bigger problem? That is the best solution?
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TopicIt's OFFICIAL!! 800,000 KIDS will be BOOTED out of the USA as DACA Ends!!
hockeybub89
09/05/17 1:11:36 PM
#144
Sephiroth1288 posted...
marc55 posted...

i think its probably because many already have jobs pay taxes speak the language and they dont have a family a home or a place to return


basically they would be telling these men and women to leave their home jobs and family to live in the streets in some other country

I'm still waiting for a reason for why they deserve citizenship before the kids trying to come in legally.

They can wait in line to get official citizenship, fine. But they are still already here and know no other country. They might not get a chance to come back.
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TopicSessions says DACA being rescinded, CNN TV going ape ****
hockeybub89
09/05/17 1:09:02 PM
#42
Sephiroth1288 posted...
Antifar posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
2. Encourages more people to bring their kids over illegally

You realize DACA only applies to those who entered the country by 2012, right?

This is the same rationale they used to justify the amnesty bill in the 80's

"It's just this one time, guys. It's over after this."

If DACA goes trough there's nothing stopping you same people in 10 years from going "but what about the poor innocent children who came after 2013???"

Nope. We already know that amnesty bills encourage more illegal immigration. There's no arguing against thar anymore.

Here's good rationale. We shouldn't doom 800,000 productive members of society to poverty in foreign nations because their parents brought them over illegally when they were small children.

I think morality outweighs "fairness" to potential future legal immigrants.
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Topictransgendered men do not become women, nor do transgendered women become men
hockeybub89
09/05/17 12:53:52 PM
#51
TopicSessions says DACA being rescinded, CNN TV going ape ****
hockeybub89
09/05/17 12:40:13 PM
#29
The Admiral posted...
Of course they're upset, all those illegal Democratic votes are now in jeopardy.

Fake news
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TopicIt's OFFICIAL!! 800,000 KIDS will be BOOTED out of the USA as DACA Ends!!
hockeybub89
09/05/17 4:52:45 AM
#133
Rika_Furude posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
there are probably a few hundred thousand, if not millions, of other illegal immigrants who probably should be removed first

yes, all illegal immigrants should be removed. that doesn't mean "the dreamers" can't be removed alongside them

Priorities. Abolishing a government program that lets people who came here as children obtain legal work permits so long as they are on good behavior and pay their dues, and deporting them to countries they know nothing of and are also not citizens of? Caring nothing of what becomes of them? That might not be the best first move. It would be like jailing a bunch of minor drug offenders to make up for being bad at catching murderers. Yeah, they aren't exactly law-abiding citizens and they are an easy target, but really bro?
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TopicIt's OFFICIAL!! 800,000 KIDS will be BOOTED out of the USA as DACA Ends!!
hockeybub89
09/05/17 4:31:10 AM
#131
Rika_Furude posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
What have these kids stolen?

opportunities from americans and from immigrants going through the system legally

Dey tuk er jerbs

Seriously though, there are probably a few hundred thousand, if not millions, of other illegal immigrants who probably should be removed first if we care so much. But I guess Trump wants to throw another bone to the heartless bastard, instant gratification, xenophobic segment of his support.
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TopicIt's OFFICIAL!! 800,000 KIDS will be BOOTED out of the USA as DACA Ends!!
hockeybub89
09/05/17 4:24:32 AM
#129
Rika_Furude posted...
Funkydog posted...
Are they meant to be held accountable for things they had no control over?

yes, like all other similar crimes. if you buy stolen goods, you still have them taken off you when the police find them. even if you never knew they were stolen.

What have these kids stolen? And there has to be some level of empathy here. I don't know if it is the morally correct thing to kick productive members of society into countries that are completely foreign to them to make room for potential immigrants.
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TopicIt's OFFICIAL!! 800,000 KIDS will be BOOTED out of the USA as DACA Ends!!
hockeybub89
09/05/17 4:19:02 AM
#128
Sephiroth1288 posted...
@hockeybub89

Sephiroth1288 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
They aren't getting a free pass. They aren't just random undocumented illegals that can do whatever the hell they want. All you are doing is pointing out the flaws in our immigration system. It is way too long and difficult of a process.

It wouldn't be if we had stricter enforcement of illegal immigration.

The former would take care of the latter.

Elaborate?

hockeybub89 posted...
I don't think it's fair. I also don't think it's fair to deport the other kid. Also, we are already letting legal in as these kids are legal. Why do we need to make some legal kids illegal to let in other legal ones?

How about this : the kids who have been trying to get in legally for years get to become citizens first and the kids who stole their spots get in line like everyone else had to.

Fair?

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
What about illegals that intentionally avoid being factored into census data?

Unless you live completely off the grid, you're in the census data.

I see that was an awkward response. We disagree on whether the chicken or egg came first. You say illegal immigration is making legal immigration harder. I think making the path to citizenship quicker and easier would do a number on illegal immigration.

As for the DACA kids getting in line behind other immigrants, I disagree with any option that takes them out of America. Even if they weren't born here, many of them barely know the countries they came from. You'd be essentially throwing Americans into foreign lands without a care for what happens to them. I could accept a few scenarios where DACA is ended so long as those people get to continue being productive members of American society. We already have tons of legal non-citizens in America. Why not let the current dreamers continue their arrangement so long as they get in line towards citizenship?
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TopicPenn Professor defends traditional values. 33 profs write letter condemning her.
hockeybub89
09/05/17 4:04:54 AM
#44
The Admiral posted...
Antifar posted...
fan357 posted...
Broke. Broke people raise broke children. And that brings the economy down.

Is it possible that the economy results in broke people, not the other way around?


Nope.

Why not? Because that hurts the narrative of parents raising stupid, lazy millennials?
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TopicPenn Professor defends traditional values. 33 profs write letter condemning her.
hockeybub89
09/04/17 10:55:21 PM
#37
The Admiral posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
The Admiral posted...
I read about this when the story broke a few weeks ago and agree pretty much entirely with the Penn professor. I think this cultural relativism nonsense that the left holds as a virtue is completely toxic. Some cultures are, quite frankly, superior to others. There is nothing enlightened or progressive about tolerating a cultural with oppressive or archaic values.

But she wants us to have archaic values. Old Western culture might be a lot better than some Middle Eastern Sharia nation, but she still just comes off as another (likely Christian) miserable person whining about the destruction of traditional American values. When were these good ol' days again?


"Traditional American values" like a nuclear family and a working population of young men are clearly superior no matter how you want to look at it. Literally every metric supports that.


No metric supports staying in loveless marriages for the sake of your kids. And we have plenty of capable adults to do work in this country. It seems a little bit off base to blame unemployment or recessions on some cultural shift in work ethic or whatever. You were right. Backwards societies are not progressive. This is why we need to leave traditional values in the dust as well. Society will only continue to get better if we continue to look forward.

You, like her, are drinking sensationalist Kool-Aid when it comes to the state of society.
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