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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Sure! I never said "the phrase ACAB demonstrably improves the world", but also...why is that so important to you? There are a million examples where "nice/inoffensive phrasing" resulted in no positive change?

"Black Lives Matter" literally led to reactionaries creating "Blue Lives Matter", is that a positive change? I don't think it matters, because Black Lives DO Matter, I don't care how those shitheads who would never affect positive change react. Do you get what I'm saying?

Also, even if you disagree with the use of the phrase, I still think "Cops aren't bastards, they're murderers" is a pretty fucking bizarre and not-positive or effective thing either!

You keep comparing ACAB to BLM, and those aren't nearly the same scale. Yes, disingenuous people misinterpretted BLM and started trying to twist it to mean something it didn't, but it's still an effective enough slogan to the majority of people. BLM's problem isn't the slogan, but rather the fact that its become associated with riots, which shifts public opinion more than anything. Note, I'm not condemning the riots. I think they're absolutely necessary since otherwise they get completely ignored. I'm just talking about how public perception shifts against it in a negative fashion.

With ACAB, it's immediately antagonistic and combative, and in immediately puts the entire movement on the back foot. It has no positive benefit and has definite negative benefits, and the end result is that the slogan makes people less willing to support police reform, since the people advocating for police reform come across as violent and extremist in their language.

You've regularly posted that MLK quote about white moderates, and it's right. White moderates ARE a stumbling block. But just constantly bitching them out and saying "You guys suck" is not a solution. It's just saying things to make yourself feel better, to the detriment of your cause. If white moderates are a stumbling block, then how do you propose to work around them? Keep in mind that you have a LARGE fucking chunk of this country that are right-wingers and would gladly push for policies that are the exact mirror image of everything you support, so you cannot afford to write off the moderates that are willing to be apathetic and least not work AGAINST you. If the ACAB slogan is antagonistic and scares those white moderates into thinking you're more of a threat than the murderous police force, then that's a net negative towards achieving your goals. It sucks, yes, I fully admit that it sucks from an ideological standpoint, but you have to be pragmatic once in a while.

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