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Janus5000
06/30/11 8:39:00 AM
#51:


*looks at LMS' vote*

...Well, now I just feel silly.

Change: put R/B/Y at #3 and bump my old #3-7 down one each.

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swirIdude
06/30/11 10:17:00 AM
#52:


Haste_2 posted...
DQing votes based on outliers is one way, but perhaps we could also have the option to e-mail our rankings to Leonhart instead? That would help with some of the issues.

A lot of the fun would be ruined, though... I don't think I'd want that, but I'm just throwing it out there.


At least we could give the option, so that any unscrupulous voters don't know what they're up against.

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LinkMarioSamus
06/30/11 10:18:00 AM
#53:


Leave Portal out of my list then.

Pokemon is lower because of its shoddy performance the last few weeks, where it failed to break 60% on both Pokemon Black/White and The World Ends with You. Knights of the Old Republic is there because it was 6 votes away from upsetting A Link to the Past, and Uncharted 2 is there because it was 4 votes away from upsetting Final Fantasy X.

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swirIdude
06/30/11 10:24:00 AM
#54:


1. Chrono Trigger
2. Super Mario 64
3. Pokemon RBY
4. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
5. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
6. Super Mario Bros. 3
7. Resident Evil 4
8. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
9. Super Metroid
10. Super Mario World
11. Paper Mario
12. Metal Gear Solid
13. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
14. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Trials & Tribulations
15. Super Smash Bros. Brawl
16. Super Smash Bros. Melee
17. Metroid Prime
18. Final Fantasy IX
19. Final Fantasy X
20. Super Mario Galaxy 2
21. Super Mario Galaxy
22. Super Mario RPG
23. Mega Man 2
24. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
25. Soul Calibur II

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Haste_2
06/30/11 11:06:00 AM
#55:


Still working on that balance between record/SoS and how strong I feel they really are....

1)Chrono Trigger
2)Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow
3)Super Mario 64
4)The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
5)The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
6)Super Mario Bros. 3
7)Super Mario World
8)Resident Evil 4
9)Super Smash Bros. Melee
10)Super Metroid
11)Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
12)Paper Mario
13)Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials & Tribulations
14)Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
15)Super Smash Bros. Brawl
16)Final Fantasy X
17)Metal Gear Solid
18)Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island
19)Metroid Prime
20)Final Fantasy VI
21)Final Fantasy IX
22)Super Mario Galaxy 2
23)Super Mario Galaxy
24)The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
25)Mega Man 2

I wish the point system made the low rankings more significant. I would love to see 5 added to all of the point values or something.

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LeonhartFour
06/30/11 11:30:00 AM
#56:


LMS, don't reaction rank Uncharted 2 and KOTOR because they had one good match against good opponents. This thing is about consistency, and those two games have not been consistently top 25 worthy.

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KCF0107
06/30/11 11:34:00 AM
#57:


Yeah, vote for MVP Baseball 2005 instead

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LeonhartFour
06/30/11 12:01:00 PM
#58:


Voting for KOTOR or UC2 would be a better choice than that.

Anything would.

I would sooner welcome a vote for Umineko than a vote for MVP Baseball.

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VeryInsane
06/30/11 12:03:00 PM
#59:


I think MVP Baseball would beat Umineko though!

Gears 2 vs. Umineko would be one hell of an awesome match though. That or World of Warcraft vs. Umineko

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Janus5000
06/30/11 12:38:00 PM
#60:


Keep hyping up MVP and it'll become enough of a joke that it might start winning.

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swirIdude
06/30/11 12:56:00 PM
#61:


Janus5000 posted...
Keep hyping up MVP and it'll become enough of a joke that it might start winning.

Yes, that's the entire point of this joke campaign...

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muddersmilk
06/30/11 1:26:00 PM
#62:


I wish the point system made the low rankings more significant. I would love to see 5 added to all of the point values or something.

5 might be a bit much, but getting one extra point for every list you make might be good.

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LeonhartFour
06/30/11 1:43:00 PM
#63:


If you scale everything up evenly, it won't make any difference other than bigger point totals. It won't make those lower end votes any more significant.

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TheKnightOfNee
06/30/11 1:53:00 PM
#64:


If you scale everything up evenly, it won't make any difference other than bigger point totals. It won't make those lower end votes any more significant.

A game is in 20th on 1 list now = 6 points, a game is in 25th on 5 lists = 5 points

If five points are added to everything, you then gets:
A game is in 20th on 1 list = 11 points, a game is in 25th on 5 lists = 30 points

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LeonhartFour
06/30/11 2:12:00 PM
#65:


Hmmmm...I suppose so.

Regardless, the scale for counting votes in this contest is the way the NCAA does it with their own top 25.

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LeonhartFour
06/30/11 2:15:00 PM
#66:


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LeonhartFour
06/30/11 3:37:00 PM
#67:


Still time.

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LeonhartFour
06/30/11 4:14:00 PM
#68:


You people have some weird ballots.

Still don't understand why people are ranking PW1 > T&T

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th3l3fty
06/30/11 4:30:00 PM
#69:


because PW1 would not only beat PW3, but outperform it elsewhere!

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LeonhartFour
06/30/11 4:30:00 PM
#70:


From: th3l3fty | #069
because PW1 would beat PW3!


I find this hard to believe!

Every indication I've seen from Board 8 is that it likes T&T more!

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swirIdude
06/30/11 4:38:00 PM
#71:


Your "indication" is to accumulate case ratings from a small, different voterbase and declare PW3 the winner.

This fails to take all factors into account.

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LeonhartFour
06/30/11 4:41:00 PM
#72:


"Small" as in "About big as the voterbase for this contest," including a bunch of people who vote in this contest, you mean?

Yeah, that's no good.

And it's not like we just voted and never discussed the cases, the games, or anything like that.

Or that there haven't been a large amount of topics talking about Phoenix Wright on Board 8 either.

Yeah, that's all I have.

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swirIdude
06/30/11 4:42:00 PM
#73:


Yep, it's all you have.

Until this contest changes to a battle between AA cases, I do not consider your source to be convincing evidence.

*drains your life bar*

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LeonhartFour
06/30/11 4:43:00 PM
#74:


*snaps finger*

*life bar is refilled*

I don't think so.

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swirIdude
06/30/11 4:47:00 PM
#75:


http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=5076904

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LeonhartFour
06/30/11 4:48:00 PM
#76:


Overruled!

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swirIdude
06/30/11 4:50:00 PM
#77:


Igiari!

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swirIdude
06/30/11 4:50:00 PM
#78:


(Just end these ballots so you can start the new matches at a decent hour, for once.)

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LeonhartFour
06/30/11 4:52:00 PM
#79:


No.

24 hours is 24 hours.

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swirIdude
06/30/11 4:54:00 PM
#80:


This stubbornness is exactly why you'll never pass solarshadow as Lord of the Board.

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LeonhartFour
06/30/11 4:56:00 PM
#81:


More like I'm not impatient.

I don't end matches early. I don't end voting topics early.

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swirIdude
06/30/11 5:00:00 PM
#82:


These aren't matches! These are meaningless rankings!

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LeonhartFour
06/30/11 5:03:00 PM
#83:


People enjoy making top 25 lists, so I'm going to give the full 24 hours I said I would give.

There's really no reason to end it early other than impatience.

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Haste_2
06/30/11 5:10:00 PM
#84:


Regardless, the scale for counting votes in this contest is the way the NCAA does it with their own top 25.

Dang. Well, you can do better than the NCAA by changing it! ;)

Scenario I
Final Fantasy VI gets a vote by 10 people... however, every single one of them votes for it at #25.
Tales of Symphonia gets a vote by 5 people.... however, they vote for an average rank of #23.

FF6's points = 10 points.
ToS's points = 15 points.

I say ten votes for #25 on FF6 is worth than five votes for #23 on ToS!

Adding 5 points to each vote...(#25 = 6 points, #24 = 7 points, etc.)
FF6's points = 10+50 = 60 points
ToS's points = 15+25 = 40 points

That's more like it!

Scenario II
Final Fantasy VII gets a vote by 5 people... they all rank it at #25.
Final Fantasy VI gets a vote by 1 person... and ranks it #19.

FF7 = 5 points
FF6 = 7 points

I say FF7 clearly is more deserving of a higher ranking than FF6 in this case.

Adding 5 points to each vote by default....(#25 = 6 points, #24 = 7 points, etc.)
FF7 = 5+25 = 30 points
FF6 = 7+5 = 12 points

There we are.

Yeah, doing 5 points might be a bit too much. Since I typed that all out I might as well just post it. An extra point might do.

Here's something else to try: make a "Top 20" list using everybody's votes. Count only the Top 20 in everybody's list (ignore #21-25). Changing the scoring method so #20 is worth 1 point, #19 worth 2 points, and so forth.

See if the new Top 20 is any different! If it does, my claim might have some justification.

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Janus5000
06/30/11 5:18:00 PM
#85:


I think adding one or two points per list is a good idea. It limits the power of crazy people that think weak/disappointing games should be really high for whatever reason.

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TsunamiXXVIII
06/30/11 5:56:00 PM
#86:


Hmm...damnit, now you've got me wanting to calculate that.

Anyway, I'm very curious as to whether or not LMS's wonky ballot is going to count or not. I've got both scenarios, and compared to the one where his vote is discarded, including his vote breaks two ties (one of which is for 25th), creates one tie, and moves one game ahead of one that it was previously behind. (Actually, it does that twice, because LMS's vote not only breaks the 25th-place tie but also moves the game in question up to 24th.)

On the subject of LMS's vote, I feel the need to point out that Uncharted 2 is at least borderline defensible. Consider this: Both Uncharted 2 and Symphony of the Night have faced three ranked games and are 0-3 in those matches but performed well in all three, both have faced three fodder games and are 3-0 in those matches without struggling at all, and both had as their lone opponent that doesn't fit into either category a Mario game, which they had a close match against. Uncharted is 4-3. Symphony of the Night is 3-4. Yes, Sunshine is probably the weakest Mario game in this contest, but still...Uncharted actually won that match. Symphony of the Night couldn't pull off the victory against MK64. I think I'd sooner vote for Uncharted 2 than for Symphony of the Night.

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th3l3fty
06/30/11 6:01:00 PM
#87:


...didn't Uncharted 2 fail to break 40% on Metroid Prime?

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LeonhartFour
06/30/11 6:04:00 PM
#88:


I might consider a bonus point for each list made, but I don't know if I want to up the scale of points per vote. I don't know why we want to give more weight to the lower half of the ballot! Those games are on the cutting edge of the top 25 for a reason!

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LeonhartFour
06/30/11 6:47:00 PM
#89:


For the record, I tabulated a potential bonus for total lists, and it doesn't change anything. There aren't any games in contention for the top 25 that are being voted highly by a small number of people and not being voted on by a lot of others.

There are 27 games with 9+ votes on the top 25, and not surprisingly, they have the top 27 point totals! And the two that are on the outside looking in at the moment are the two with the least total votes out of the 27.

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LeonhartFour
06/30/11 7:01:00 PM
#90:


Oh, and upping the point totals for each vote by 5 points only changes a couple of things, doesn't change whether someone makes or misses the top 25. It flip-flops #26 and #27, and it flip-flops #15 and #16 because #15 was voted on one few list and it was already pretty tight between those two.

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LeonhartFour
06/30/11 7:31:00 PM
#91:


30 minutes.

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Orochimaru_Fan
06/30/11 7:57:00 PM
#92:


Hmm... First time I coinsidered voting in this.

1. Pokemon RBY
2. Chrono Trigger
3. Super Metroid
4. Super Mario 64
5. Final Fantasy VI
6. Paper Mario
7. Super Mario Bros. 3
8. MGS3: Snake Eater
9. Super Mario World
10. Zelda: OoT
10. Yoshi's Island
11. Resident Evil 4
12. Super Mario RPG
13. Metroid Prime
14. Tales of Symphonia
15. SoulCalibur II
16. SSBB
17. Super Mario Galaxy
18. Wind Waker
19. DKC2
20. Majora's Mask
21. Fire Emblem 7
22. Star Fox 64
23. Pokemon BW
24. Metal Gear Solid
25. Mega Man 2
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